Let's establish once and for all: Doc Brown's age

edited January 2011 in Back to the Future
There was a fun little discussion in one of the topics and people pointed out to the Bttf wikia stating he was 65 in 1985. I scanned through Wikia and most of the info there has disclaimers of not being canonical.

Imho Doc could be 71 in BttF1
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  • edited December 2010
    Let's just ask Telltale nicely to ask Bob Gale. :)
  • edited December 2010
    If his age isn't stated in the films then any age given by anything else is non-canonical.
  • edited December 2010
    I'll repost here what I posted in that thread:
    markeres wrote:
    I think Telltale may be trying to match up 1986/"present day" Doc Brown's age with Christopher Lloyd's actual age, making him 71 or 72 (depending on Doc's birthdate), possibly because of Lloyd's older sounding voice. Making 1931/"young" Doc 17 or 18, around Marty's age. Which is how he looks and sounds to me in the trailer. Just guessing, though.
    We also have to keep in mind Doc's rejuvenation clinic therapy he mentioned at the beginning of BTTFII. It's possible that Doc, at the start of the game, is chronologically in his 80s, 90s, or even his 100s (based on the time it took for him to marry Clara, have kids, and build a time train + however long he's been time traveling between saying goodbye to Marty at the end of BTTFIII and asking for his help at the beginning of the game), but biologically in his early 70s because the therapy added 30-40 years to his life. This also explains how 71/72-year-old Doc is able to have the energy of a man in his early 50s throughout BTTF II & III. :D

    So, to sum up my guesses:
    • Doc at the start of BTTF: 71-72
    • Doc at the end of BTTF (upon returning from the future)/throughout BTTF II & III (before the arrival of the time train): 71-72 (chronologically), early 50s or younger (biologically)
    • Doc at the end of BTTF III (on the time train)/start of the game: 80s or older (chronologically), 71-72 (biologically)

    edit: ***REVISED AGE GUESSES***
  • edited December 2010
    I believe the date of birth in the wiki was in the novelization of the film.
    @ Markeres
    As Vaineamon said thye could of made Doc the same age as Lloyd, because we know the kids had to grow up to become the age they were in bttf3. Unless Doc left them timetravelling for a large part of their childhood he would of aged up to Lloyd in that time without aging the Doc that starts out from 1985.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    EXACTLY my point! So it shouldn't be considered factual.
    We also have to keep in mind Doc's rejuvenation clinic therapy he mentioned at the beginning of BTTFII.

    This is not relevant. :)
    It's about Doc's age in BttF1 before he took the treatment. Some people have trouble accepting he's 71 or 72. I am just saying Leslie Nielsen(R.I.P.)
  • edited December 2010
    BTW

    Has Young Doc Brown's age already been confirmed?
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    This is not relevant. :)
    It is though. See the edit I made to my post. Unless we're only talking about Doc's age at the beginning of BTTF.
    Origami wrote: »
    Has Young Doc Brown's age already been confirmed?
    Not to my knowledge.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    Owh I thought it was clear from my opening post that I meant to discuss his age in 1985, since that's the one that stirs up the most commotion.

    But you're right. With BttF2 he added 30 years to his life.
    BTW, is Doc even 'able' to have kids? >.>

    BTW, I believe TellTale will aim to avoid most of BttF2's future in the games. Because it's pretty difficult to assume we'll have rejuvination clinics in about 5 years lol.
  • edited December 2010
    BTW, I believe TellTale will aim to avoid most of BttF2's future in the games. Because it's pretty difficult to assume we'll have rejuvination clinics in about 5 years lol.

    I think it's actually already confirmed. That there won't be BttF2-style 2010-2015. Easily explained by the fact that 'Always in motion is the future'... uhm... wait, wrong movie :D Quote's sense is still the same ;)
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    Yeah, TellTale explained that they wouldn't be aiming for BttF2's future in the Live Chat within the exclusive board.
    They are keeping in mind that Doc said 'The Future isn't written'. Pretty cool that they think about it so deep.

    Having said that, as of yet visiting the future in The Game hasn't been established as of yet. There is only an alluding picture of a future in the Facebook Blitz Game.
    But I have faith in TTG. If we do visit the future they'll make it work.

    But as I rethought some things I agree with what Bob Gale said in the interview.
    That the past is more fun to visit. I dunno why I have this change of heart suddenly.
    Probably because it makes the game more timeless? Because if we would visit the future it would be a matter of time before we find out if the game is correct or not.
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    ^
    Yeah, TellTale explained that they wouldn't be aiming for BttF2's future in the Live Chat within the exclusive board.
    They are keeping in mind that Doc said 'The Future isn't written'. Pretty cool that they think about it so deep.
    Shhhhhhhhhhh!!! :eek::D
    Origami wrote: »
    Because if we would visit the future it would be a matter of time before we find out if the game is correct or not.
    I think they could make going to the far future work, though. I mentioned in another thread that I'd like to see Hill Valley in 2085, 100 years in the future. It would make a nice bookend to seeing it in 1885, 100 years in the past.

    I do hope they manage to get the Hoverboard into the game somehow, though. It's almost as iconic as the DeLorean itself (almost).
  • edited December 2010
    That the past is more fun to visit. I dunno why I have this change of heart suddenly.
    Probably because it makes the game more timeless? Because if we would visit the future it would be a matter of time before we find out if the game is correct or not.

    Don't forget that for Marty our present time IS the future ;) So no one has to try to predict anything.
    I do hope they manage to get the Hoverboard into the game somehow, though. It's almost as iconic as the DeLorean itself (almost).

    Doc can still have it. (And even if he used some thing from the Hoverboard to create the Time Machine in 1885, he could still fix it, since each time period is in his hands).
  • edited December 2010
    I am so-so about the hoverboard. I welcome it, but it's not a big problem if it's not there.
    There is one problem though with the hoverboard. It says Mattel on it. So if they want to make it as true to license as possible they need to make some phone calls. =)

    But I wouldn't mind if the Mattel Logo was missing. It was hard to notice anyway.
  • edited December 2010
    The hoverboard to containt parts that can fix the DeLorean? No I am sorry I don't buy that

    No, the hoverboard containing parts that could help Doc create a Flux Capacitor that would run on steam (i.e. Time Machine out of a train). And there really isn't any other possilble explanation how the Time Train was born.
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    But I wouldn't mind if the Mattel Logo was missing. It was hard to notice anyway.
    Blank red circles are fine with me. They already had to take the Nike logo off of Marty's shoes and replace it with a Generic Geometric Shape™. And I'm guessing we won't be seeing any Pepsi in the game, either, Free or otherwise.
  • edited December 2010
    @Farlander

    Yeah I quickly put that out of my post. Not quick enough for you to not see. I didn't know you were referring to the train.

    But the REAL Doc Brown thing to do is to return the hoverboard to 2015 so that it would not fall into wrong hands or danger of being discovered.
  • edited December 2010
    @Origami
    No worries. Stuff like this happens even to the best of us :D
  • edited December 2010
    I'm more inclined to say they're taking the novelization's birth date, making Doc 65 in 1985, 35 in 1955 and 11 in 1931. I think I saw some GameTrailers game footage where, on a chalkboard, you can see some designs for digging machines (possible to get to Earth's center):

    Picture by Vainamoinen, posted on the Trailer thread (notice the blackboard in the background, behind Marty)
    gamescreen01.jpg

    Which matches with this:
    This reminds me of the time I attempted to reach the centre of the earth. I'd been reading my favorite author, Jules Verne. I spent weeks preparing for the expedition, I didn't even get this far. Of course, I was only 12 at the time. It was the writings of Jules Verne that had a profound effect on my life. I was 11 when I first read "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea." That's when I realised that I must devote my life into science.

    -Doc (BTTF, part III)

    So, that kinda makes Doc's age clear, making 1931 the year when he devoted his life to Science, having already read "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth". So, he's 11-12 here.

    Taking a guess on how old is he at the beginning of the Game, I'd say 80-85.
  • edited December 2010
    So, that kinda makes Doc's age clear, making 1931 the age where he devoted his life to Science.

    ... here's a crazy thought. Devoted his life to Science... thanks to Marty?
  • edited December 2010
    It might be!, let's wait for the answer in the game :D
  • edited December 2010
    That MAN is 11?!

    *cancels pre-order*
  • edited December 2010
    He's a very tall eleven year old, then.
  • edited December 2010
    And mature looking too. At least in the art.



    But....I am very fond of the idea if they made Marty a benefactor to Doc's passion for science.
  • edited December 2010
    Well... I suppose it helps that Marty is not that tall either.
  • edited December 2010
    I find the quote from Carlos85G reveals there's some story potential for an 11 to 12 year old Doc that wouldn't effect the timeline.
  • edited December 2010
    Hmm...I am not convinced though...that Doc is 11 in the game.

    He already seems to be a devout of science. Also...I don't think they would made him THAT tall as an 11 year old. It would be more fun to play around with the fact that Marty is as tall as him.
  • edited December 2010
    Well maybe Doc shrunk with old age, and I was a quite a tall child once. There was a guy I knew who was 6 foot when he was 11.
  • edited December 2010
    Yes, young Doc's model doesn't quite look like a 11-year-old, but who knows, maybe Doc developed really fast and he's hyper excited with Science after reading the books that he already began a lot of experiments and, being born in a wealthy family, he could get all the gizmos he wanted...
  • edited December 2010
    Orrrrrrrrr there's always the possibility he's Marty's age (around 16-17) and is just retrying an old experiment of attempting to reach the center of the Earth. Or the drill drawing is for something else entirely. I'm not convinced that's an 11 or 12 year old.
  • edited December 2010
    It would make more sense that he'd be Marty's age. Just like Marty visited his parents when they were his age.

    Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr we get to visit not just 1931 but also 1936. Since there is quite some traveling back and forth in ep 1.
  • edited December 2010
    You mean Young*Doc is probably 11 or 12?

    Boy, do I feel like a creeper now.

    ... *hangs head in shame*
  • edited December 2010
    Well, I'm just making some connections here and there. I would be delighted to hear TTG's explanation.
  • edited December 2010
    markeres wrote: »
    So, to sum up my guesses:
    • Doc at the start of BTTF: 71-72
    • Doc at the end of BTTF (upon returning from the future)/throughout BTTF II & III (before the arrival of the time train): 71-72 (chronologically), early 50s or younger (biologically)
    • Doc at the end of BTTF III (on the time train)/start of the game: 80s or older (chronologically), 71-72 (biologically)

    I'll disagree with the last point here. Jules looks to be about 10 at the most, and Verne looks like he's 8, so I'd say that:

    Doc at the end of BTTF III (on the time train)/start of the game: 80s or older (chronologically), 50's (biologically)

    He added "30-40 years" to his life at the rejuvenation clinic.
    markeres wrote: »
    I think they could make going to the far future work, though. I mentioned in another thread that I'd like to see Hill Valley in 2085, 100 years in the future. It would make a nice bookend to seeing it in 1885, 100 years in the past.

    I completely agree with you here. I know Bob Gale sorta wants to stay out of the future, and I could understand why, but the fans really want to go into the future agian. It's fun to see what they predict will happen and to see/play with all the future technology.

    Sure, 2015 is only five years away and we don't have flying cars yet, but if they could fast forward that by about 50 years or so... and keep the same technology, I'd say thats a safe bet. Although, in the Cafe 80's there would be flatscreens or holograms instead of those CVT monitors they had.

    But you know what they did have right? The whole 80's revival thing. At least in the US, the 80's are back. We've seen the return of Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, Transformers... I mean the list goes on and on. All of us 80's babies are grown up now and we wanna relive our childhood! :D
    markeres wrote: »
    I do hope they manage to get the Hoverboard into the game somehow, though. It's almost as iconic as the DeLorean itself (almost).

    Heck yeah! Bring in the Hoverboard!
    forummouse wrote: »
    Orrrrrrrrr there's always the possibility he's Marty's age (around 16-17) and is just retrying an old experiment of attempting to reach the center of the Earth. Or the drill drawing is for something else entirely. I'm not convinced that's an 11 or 12 year old.

    I could see this. As an old man, Doc was still fascinated with Journey to the Center of the Earth and 10,000 Leagues under the sea. So I could see him being a teen through early adult trying to recreate something he's read about. Many of the scientists today try to do things they watched on Star Trek as a kid, so it's very possible.

    Telltale is going to make Doc the same age or perhaps a little bit younger than Marty to make Doc his "equal" or... make him immature in comparison to Marty for a nice story arc. It makes sense.

    Lets not forget that Marty is a seasoned time traveler now, so his experience in this area is going to go far beyond that of young Doc.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    Yeah. I think it would slightly be less fun to have Marty argue with an 11 year old because like you pit it they wouldn't be 'equal'.
  • edited December 2010
    I do want to state that his age was never stated onscreen, in either the movies or the animated series. As for the drill thing on the chalkboard, that looks like it would've gotten him somewhere. Remember, Doc says "I spent weeks planning for that expedition and I didn't even get this far."
  • edited December 2010
    FaMzNeSS wrote: »
    I'll disagree with the last point here. Jules looks to be about 10 at the most, and Verne looks like he's 8, so I'd say that:

    Doc at the end of BTTF III (on the time train)/start of the game: 80s or older (chronologically), 50's (biologically)

    He added "30-40 years" to his life at the rejuvenation clinic.
    I really want to say that Doc is 71-72 chronologically at the beginning of BTTF (to make young Doc 17-18), and 71-72 biologically at the beginning of the game (to match up with Christopher Lloyd's actual age). So, if we take the conservative end of the rejuvenation clinic's claim... hell, that would make Doc 101-102 chronologically! :eek: Does that even make sense? :confused: I mean we don't know exactly when Jules was conceived, or how long it took to build that train, or how long Doc was time traveling between the end of III and the start of the game. But at this point, I'm starting to wonder if I'm trying to fit a square peg in a round hole...
  • edited December 2010
    Jules was conceived not long after Marty returned to BttF.
    Since Clara doesn't look any older either.....but who knows...maybe she had rejuvalation treatment too lol.
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    Since Clara doesn't look any older either.....but who knows...maybe she had rejuvalation treatment too lol.
    Hey, maybe. They did take that train to the future! :D
  • edited December 2010
    But that's exactly why I don't want to consider what the novels said.
    I think it was a deliberate choice on Bob Gale and Zemeckis part to leave Doc's age a mystery. We don't need to know how old he is. We may only speculate. =)
  • edited December 2010
    Funny, I actually had a conversation with a friend about this very topic earlier today. My logic was that in 1955 in part 1, doc would have been sometime in his late 30s/early 40s, making him somewhere around 70 in 1985.

    While I didn't forget about his rejuvenation clinic visit and all the time he must have spent backtracking everything about Marty Jr's arrest in part II, I didn't take it into consideration, as it could have been weeks or months that Doc spent in the future before returning to 1985 to grab Marty and head over to 2015.

    As far as part III is concerned, Jules looked to be somewhere around 8-10 years old. How long Doc and Clara were married before then is all up to speculation, although it may not have been that long since, as Origami pointed out, Clara didn't look any older.

    One more thing:
    Farlander wrote: »
    ... here's a crazy thought. Devoted his life to Science... thanks to Marty?
    An interesting thought, to say the least, and one that has occurred to me after seeing some of the details of the game. Great minds must think alike!
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