I made my connections stretching my suspension of disbelief a little, taking canon material and official references made quite a long time ago (novelization) and being used as canon by serious fan fiction authors. The "Earth drill" drawings could have been on that chalkboard for 5-6 years since Doc made them.
If Bob Gale wants to change Doc's age by making 1913-1914 his birth year, it's fine by me... That'd make Doc about 85-90 at the start of the game.
... here's a crazy thought. Devoted his life to Science... thanks to Marty?
This will not completey be the case. As is apparent from the gameplay footage, young Doc is already devoted to science. BUT!!! This is probably what's going to happen:
Young Brown gets a depression and loses his motivation. Something happens to him.
And then Marty must help to get him back on track otherwise he will never invent the DeLorean and he finally tells him "A good friend told me once that if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything."
Young Brown gets a depression and loses his motivation. Something happens to him.
This. Not necessarily the depression part, but Doc's interest in science getting derailed by Marty somehow, then Marty having to fix it. Marty's gotta be doing all those science experiments we saw in the gameplay footage for a reason, probably to show Doc how cool science is again or something. And, as we saw in the "Blitz Through Time" game, the first episode apparently culminates
in a science fair at the courthouse. Maybe the agreement is, Marty has to help Doc win the science fair, so Doc will agree to return to science?
Someone in the facebook game thread said there was a line about Doc wanting to become a lawyer, maybe at the point 1931 previous he wanted to become a lawyer and onwards from that is science.
Someone in the facebook game thread said there was a line about Doc wanting to become a lawyer, maybe at the point 1931 previous he wanted to become a lawyer and onwards from that is science.
I think Doc wanting to become a lawyer is caused by Marty's initial intervention. Like, his parents are pressuring him to go into law, and whatever Marty does is the last straw that makes him give up science entirely and pursue law instead. Because, let's not forget, in the original time line, with no time travel interventions, Doc becomes a scientist anyway.
From the perspective of the game: I always thought they'd make Doc about Marty's age, making Marty for Young Doc what he was for George in the first Back to the Future movie. But there's not necessarily the need to re-trod that path. From Young Doc's voice in the game footage, we might guess that he just reached puberty, being maybe 14 years. That would bring im at least a little closer to the futurepedia timeline, and make Marty a new kind of "teacher".
Then again, Young Doc is significantly larger than Marty. That's quite a stretch for 14 years (and impossible for 11 years).
This reminds me of the time I attempted to reach the centre of the earth. I'd been reading my favorite author, Jules Verne. I spent weeks preparing for the expedition, I didn't even get this far. Of course, I was only 12 at the time. It was the writings of Jules Verne that had a profound effect on my life. I was 11 when I first read "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea." That's when I realised that I must devote my life into science.
-Doc (BTTF, part III)
Carlos you gave this quote.
But I just rewatched BttF III to check it out and Doc never says 11 or 12.
I did, in my last post on this topic in the other thread. Jack LaLanne. He's 96. And I'll restate that he could probably kick my ass, twice over.
Besides, even if you think this is an exception to a rule (which even I will admit it is), my point still stands about Christopher Lloyd specifically. If you watch the interview Gametrailers TV did with him, he is nowhere near frail, and he is 72 now. Once again, my guess is that Doc is 71-72 chronologically at the beginning of BTTF (to make Young Doc 17-18) and 71-72 biologically at the beginning of the game (to make him the same age as Christopher Lloyd now because of Lloyd's older sounding voice, as well as to bring him back to where he was at the beginning of BTTF, possibly for story reasons. After all, we've seen concept art of Lone Pine Mall at night, so who knows what they will be using that for...). Of course, this would make Doc 101-102 chronologically because the rejuvenation clinic added at least 30 years to his life, and like I said, I don't know if that makes complete sense with where we left Doc at the end of the last movie.
I think most of you are missing the point of what I said. If you take in to acount the change in birth date and the time with his kids he would be 85 to 90 or older. If there was the option of still making Doc 65 in bttf1 (disputed) and still make him the same age as Lloyd why wouldn't they use it. Jack LaLanne I think would probably be the closest fitness level Doc would need to be at that age but I never found Doc to be overly fit sure he was lean but not anything over the average.
If you take in to acount the change in birth date and the time with his kids he would be 85 to 90 or older.
Yes, chronologically. But biologically, because of the rejuvenation clinic, he would be (or seem, depending on how you perceive it) at least 30 years younger. So, 90-years-old chronologically, 60 or so biologically.
Also, I feel I should revise my age guesses, 'cause I did the math wrong the first time :
Doc at the start of BTTF: 71-72
Doc at the end of BTTF (upon returning from the future)/throughout BTTF II & III (before the arrival of the time train): 71-72 (chronologically), 41-42 (biologically)
Doc at the end of BTTF III (on the time train): 81-82 (chronologically*), 51-52 (biologically)
*Conservative estimate, assuming that he married Clara, started building the time train, and conceived Jules right after Marty went back to 1985. Also assuming that Jules is 10-years-old and that it took Doc no more than 10 years to build the train.
Doc at the start of the game: 101-102 (chronologically), 71-72 (biologically)
I understand the situation but don't see the Telltales reasoning behind it. Some possibilities may be:
1. We visit Doc from 1985 and Lloyd didn't think he could revise the role as he did in the first film.
2. Probably most likely: setting the first episode in 1936 would place it outside the time of prohibition and as Bob Gale said there might be a Biff descendent in that period of time.
What I am wondering about is....since the future isn't written and it seems that BttF will have a more realistic future wher in no such rejuvalation clinic exists, do you think that Doc's treatment will be erased?
Or do things you got from the future remain?
Like the hoverboard. Since that girl probably wouldn't be happily hoverboarding in the dump Hill Valley A
No I don't think TellTale is trying to match up their ages.
I just think they were really behind the idea of visiting a Young Doc Brown. I think this idea was proposed by Bob Gale. He wanted to explore Doc's youth and really wanted to visit the prohibition era. It was an idea they were going back and forth with back when the movies were made, apparently.
And imho that idea is reasons enough to do it. Great material, it probably would've been enough to make a whole new movie with it. Doc's voice being slightly different is something everyone just needs time to get used to. For me it never bothered me much. It was something inenivatible, the movies have been made 25 years ago now.
As old as what would come natural and be logical within the plot.
But the motivation behind it is NOT trying to match up ages because of the voice, imho.
I am not saying you're wrong about the age. Just about the reasons behind it.
Doc was born in 1920 according to the original outlines. Why is he 17 in 1931 then? Why is Bob Gale okay with people screwing with the universe like that?
For the continuity and replacement of characters in time, it fits the best that way. 6 years of difference really matters?
I believe it's put in novels that way but I've never even heard of novels before the release of the first episode (I wanted to search through BTTF wiki and saw that), let alone them being canon.
I don't think it's ever officially stated in the films when Doc was born, unless I'm wrong. It may have been something in the original script or something that never made it into the actual film canon. Regardless, if it was Bob Gale's choice, so be it. It doesn't really affect continuity that much. All it really means is that Doc was 71 at the start of the series and I don't see that as a problem.
I don't think it's ever officially stated in the films when Doc was born, unless I'm wrong. It may have been something in the original script or something that never made it into the actual film canon. Regardless, if it was Bob Gale's choice, so be it. It doesn't really affect continuity that much. All it really means is that Doc was 71 at the start of the series and I don't see that as a problem.
It's written in the novelization of the movies (unsure which one, never read) so it has some canonical value. But I assume the game has proven it wrong.
It's written in the novelization of the movies (unsure which one, never read) so it has some canonical value. But I assume the game has proven it wrong.
The game and the fact that Bob Gale has stated only the movies are canon.
The BttF novels were sanctioned by Bob Gale. However he never anounced they were canon. Also the age of Doc probably was decided by the author rather than Bob Gale.
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BTW, I believe TellTale will aim to avoid most of BttF2's future in the games. Because it's pretty difficult to assume we'll have rejuvination clinics in about 5 years lol.
WAIT!!! i just thought of something. technically the future in bttf2 is an assumed future that in the gap of 1985 and 2015 it chooses what might happen in that gap (think about the accident with the rolls-royce), and in bttf2 technological advances were chosen to happen faster.
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If Bob Gale wants to change Doc's age by making 1913-1914 his birth year, it's fine by me... That'd make Doc about 85-90 at the start of the game.
This will not completey be the case. As is apparent from the gameplay footage, young Doc is already devoted to science. BUT!!! This is probably what's going to happen:
Young Brown gets a depression and loses his motivation. Something happens to him.
And then Marty must help to get him back on track otherwise he will never invent the DeLorean and he finally tells him "A good friend told me once that if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything."
That's the part I don't like about the new timeline even with the rejuvenation clinic he would still act more frail.
And I still think you're making generalizations about the virility of the elderly.
Then again, Young Doc is significantly larger than Marty. That's quite a stretch for 14 years (and impossible for 11 years).
Carlos you gave this quote.
But I just rewatched BttF III to check it out and Doc never says 11 or 12.
Rewatch again then. Doc says that to Marty in 1955 when they're exploring the mines, before finding the DeLorean.
Drat! I thought it was the part where he was with Clara watching the stars.
Besides, even if you think this is an exception to a rule (which even I will admit it is), my point still stands about Christopher Lloyd specifically. If you watch the interview Gametrailers TV did with him, he is nowhere near frail, and he is 72 now. Once again, my guess is that Doc is 71-72 chronologically at the beginning of BTTF (to make Young Doc 17-18) and 71-72 biologically at the beginning of the game (to make him the same age as Christopher Lloyd now because of Lloyd's older sounding voice, as well as to bring him back to where he was at the beginning of BTTF, possibly for story reasons. After all, we've seen concept art of Lone Pine Mall at night, so who knows what they will be using that for...). Of course, this would make Doc 101-102 chronologically because the rejuvenation clinic added at least 30 years to his life, and like I said, I don't know if that makes complete sense with where we left Doc at the end of the last movie.
He hasn't acted, that's true. But I highly doubt he's just kicking back and sipping champagne.
And Patrick Stewart's getting up there, and he's still going. So is Ian McKellan.
Christopher Lee being 87!!!!
And here we had trouble accepting Doc being 71 in BttF1
Though, I do have to point out that Christopher Lee has been slowing down in his acting career lately.
I am just pointing out what he looked like when he was 87.
Well, he's still pretty active, and also provides vocals (atm) for FREAKIN' SYMPHONIC METAL albums, and who knows what he also does.
Wait, wait, wait. Are you tellin me that Christopher Lee is doing vocals for METAL? Whoa man, this is heavy.
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Sir Billi would beg to differ, my dear sir.
Also, I feel I should revise my age guesses, 'cause I did the math wrong the first time
*Conservative estimate, assuming that he married Clara, started building the time train, and conceived Jules right after Marty went back to 1985. Also assuming that Jules is 10-years-old and that it took Doc no more than 10 years to build the train.
1. We visit Doc from 1985 and Lloyd didn't think he could revise the role as he did in the first film.
2. Probably most likely: setting the first episode in 1936 would place it outside the time of prohibition and as Bob Gale said there might be a Biff descendent in that period of time.
Or do things you got from the future remain?
Like the hoverboard. Since that girl probably wouldn't be happily hoverboarding in the dump Hill Valley A
I just think they were really behind the idea of visiting a Young Doc Brown. I think this idea was proposed by Bob Gale. He wanted to explore Doc's youth and really wanted to visit the prohibition era. It was an idea they were going back and forth with back when the movies were made, apparently.
And imho that idea is reasons enough to do it. Great material, it probably would've been enough to make a whole new movie with it. Doc's voice being slightly different is something everyone just needs time to get used to. For me it never bothered me much. It was something inenivatible, the movies have been made 25 years ago now.
But the motivation behind it is NOT trying to match up ages because of the voice, imho.
I am not saying you're wrong about the age. Just about the reasons behind it.
Otherwise I love the game so far.
I believe it's put in novels that way but I've never even heard of novels before the release of the first episode (I wanted to search through BTTF wiki and saw that), let alone them being canon.
It's written in the novelization of the movies (unsure which one, never read) so it has some canonical value. But I assume the game has proven it wrong.
The game and the fact that Bob Gale has stated only the movies are canon.
WAIT!!! i just thought of something. technically the future in bttf2 is an assumed future that in the gap of 1985 and 2015 it chooses what might happen in that gap (think about the accident with the rolls-royce), and in bttf2 technological advances were chosen to happen faster.