May there be no true self?
May how you perceive that you perceive things be different than how some one else perceives that you perceive things?
Say I perceive that I'm a artist and I perceive that I perceive things as a artist and other people perceive that I truly perceive things in a different focus (way) from some insecurity or vulnerability rather than a strength. Maybe they perceive there's a true side to me and I choose to see things my way,
We may all have fundamental drives in our lives, love, interests, hobbies, talents, etc. We may be tied to these things, our professions, etc etc, Others and our selves may be able to take our "core" and invent that simply our cores create a perspective around itself, envelop who we are as people.
If how we perceive that we perceive ourselves is subjective then there may be no standard to base our self on, no real comparison. There's nothing out there, no true self, no absolute self, we have choices, we make choices because everything is subjective. There is no ultimate answer, there is no right answers. There's no standard to base self on.
Is there truly a real version of any one? Is there truly the way any one should be? How can you validate self when there is no true standard for self?
If there's no true self to self, or to others. If there is no true self, then how can you validate?
We may only be caple of being subjective, we are not all knowing there is no objective standard to base on ourselves on, we are imperfect. We are miscalculated...we may not be caple of calculated, solving for true self.
There may be no true self.
Say I perceive that I'm a artist and I perceive that I perceive things as a artist and other people perceive that I truly perceive things in a different focus (way) from some insecurity or vulnerability rather than a strength. Maybe they perceive there's a true side to me and I choose to see things my way,
We may all have fundamental drives in our lives, love, interests, hobbies, talents, etc. We may be tied to these things, our professions, etc etc, Others and our selves may be able to take our "core" and invent that simply our cores create a perspective around itself, envelop who we are as people.
If how we perceive that we perceive ourselves is subjective then there may be no standard to base our self on, no real comparison. There's nothing out there, no true self, no absolute self, we have choices, we make choices because everything is subjective. There is no ultimate answer, there is no right answers. There's no standard to base self on.
Is there truly a real version of any one? Is there truly the way any one should be? How can you validate self when there is no true standard for self?
If there's no true self to self, or to others. If there is no true self, then how can you validate?
We may only be caple of being subjective, we are not all knowing there is no objective standard to base on ourselves on, we are imperfect. We are miscalculated...we may not be caple of calculated, solving for true self.
There may be no true self.
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Every individual wants to be special and don't want to be left out. A brigade of lions eating on a giraffe. No lion wants to be the one who bites the dust, literally, you know, since when everyone finishes eating the only thing left for you will be the skeleton of the damn thing and the dust.. They all go in, and they all want to be the one going first. When humans were nothing but animals, they had that too. Thanks to that they grew the feel of "significance", they didn't want to be "zero". In some particular events an individual felt being treated like shit or another one, but in the end they did feel how it bites. Then they saw the next victim of this, say, a caveman without a cave out in snowstorm. They grew empathy, they grew emotions. They let him in, they grew hospitality. They now knew that the significance is also present in every other individual.
So that they didn't want to leave anyone out. Which means they needed a system. They started to build homes close, they started to hunt by large teams, they started to breed with planning. They evolved, they civilized. They got bigger in amount. They were more crowded, new problems popped out. They changed their system, it became a lot complicated now that there were new obstacles, such as food sources and landscape. They had to scatter around. This gave birth to localized administrations, travel, and they also gave birth to more problems. Sense of time became more significant. Inventions started. People scattered around greatly. This leaded to even other systems. It became more and more convoluted. People started to argue, people started to defend their systems and despise of another. Wars started, some saw their destruction and they hated war, some loved war BECAUSE it gave destruction to the ones they hate. Because of wars, empathy, and emotions, new systems were built, much and much convoluted. And now, it's today. And there are so many systems, beliefs, disbeliefs, likes and dislikes. Our fathers chose which one to like and which one to dislike, because there are so many branches on the tree now that you cannot have it all. We born, you born, you were a baby with nothing on your mind. You got inspiration from your father, who got inspiration from his and so on. You either made comparisons or added the new experiences in your life (which are also born from those convoluted system people built so long ago) right onto the inspirations you got from your family and other people. There are two sources that you might have the help when you're unconciously constructing your personality, your surroundings, and the difficulties you encounter. The two sources are always created by other individuals. Knowing that likes and dislikes are the randomly generated personal traits because of many complicated calculations of mankind and their communication and reaction to each other -which also borns from the systems, which are born from being an animal and its difficulties-, yes, there is no true self. It's inspirations from others or random events that you encounted that are caused by the inspirations that other people holds onto. You live nothing. Everything is there because we're limited animals who can't do everything and must do something to survive.
loljk enjoy your life.
The reason I didn't read everything is so I wouldn't be freaked out.
Tbh I also didn't read the whole post of doodo because it does bring me down time to time.
I wake up in the middle of the night to write things down. When I'm walking , working, eating, I get ideas. I hear voices in my head, ideas, words.
I've cried, I've posted about women, my life. I used to pray, I pray some times.
About 5 ro 6 years ago I started asking questions. I started posting on line, I started to question everything.
I'm posting about this now, and I've posted about it before.
My life is my life. I'm living my life. I was there, and now I'm here. I'm asking a new question.
I also wake up in the middle of the night because I sleep during daytime. And I get bored by writing things, even if it's for the action adventure game I'm planning to make for at least 4 years now. And the ideas I get are basically for the cutscenes I want to have in this game I'm planning to get and they usually pop up when I listen to Diablo Swing Orchestra, Iron Maiden or Megadeth. The words I hear inside are basic ego temperings and the most simplistic worries. The shit I eat are only greasy food that one day I won't be able to eat.
TL;DR I live dude, no matter how banal or uninteresting it is. And I always think myself as someone that can observe his surroundings. I mean you don't have to bother yourself and give harm to your mental health in the process. Just enjoy this sucker ride, it's not like you can do everything. I just see it as a long challenge, that's all.
That may be either because you can't find answers in your real life surroundings. Maybe people are too shy-shy about going in depth with such stuff. Heck, I'm like that. It's hard to form meaningful and easily understandable sentences in one go when you talk about deep stuff. By posting you at least have time to think on what you're saying. And STILL I make a bunch of mistakes and errors while responding to your threads, lol.
It's understandable, but as I said, it won't make you go anywhere. Maybe you can write a philosophy book and live a humble life from the little income it gets for a year or two, but really, try to see the bright side of it. It's a ride that you shouldn't even care spending.
I live my life. I get answers. I post most questions on forums , I don't often ask questions to others vocally.
My life is my life, and I live it.
I have a Facebook now. Last night I saw Tron with my family.
I mean I'm not saying you're not already living, it's just, you have so many questions, man. Usually people don't want to go in depth with it because it's basically an insanity hazard. I don't mind most things that happen to me because I'm an unresponsive fuck and it's how I roll, but you manage to bring me down, even.
Maybe you're "right"...
Doodo, not as a strike against you, but if you don't already go see a psychologist, I'd recommend you do so. Gives you a person to talk about these sorta things to people who knows what they're talking about, instead of a bunch of nerds.
Dammit, I put this up and immediately came back to it, I am a huge nerd. A sense of what one is physically is something very basic to all living things. The knowledge of what is 'you' and 'not you' is something necessary for a species to survive and continue. However, the sense of 'self' implies a sentience, that you not only are aware of your physicality, but also of your mental presence.
"Be Your True Mind" is the Persona motto even if each game has it's own arc words (Example would be "Momento Mori" from Persona 3 or "Reach Out To The Truth" for Persona 4) The concept being that the true self is facing one's inner demons and insecurities, forging what is one's base personality into it's most realized form. There is not an 'absolute' true self, because the process of creating what would be considered your 'true' self is entirely subjective to your life experiences and individual personality. However, simply because there is no 'absolute' definition of a true self does not mean the true self does not exist, rather it simply means that the process of creating one's 'true mind' is internally directed rather than influenced by outside factors.
There is my Persona based nerd out, enjoy.
In the cold light of day -
It's society's mask,
It's society's way,
And the truth is
That it's all a facade!
There's a face that we hide
Till the nighttime appears,
And what's hiding inside,
Behind all of our fears,
Is our true self,
Locked inside the facade!
Every day
People, in their own sweet way,
Like to add a coat of paint,
And be what they ain't!
That's how our little -
Game is played,
Livin' like a masquerade
Actin' a bizarre charade -
While playing the saint!
But there's one thing I know,
And I know it for sure:
This disease that we've got
Has got no ready cure!
And I'm certain
Life is terribly hard -
When your life's a facade!
Look around you!
I have found
You cannot tell, by lookin' at the surface,
What is lurkin' there beneath it!
See that face!
Now, I'm prepared to bet you,
What you see's not what you get -
'Cause man's a master of deceit !
So, what is the sinister secret?
The lie he will tell you is true? -
It's that each man you meet
In the street
Isn't one man but two!
Nearly everyone you see -
Like him an' her,
An' you, an' me -
Pretends to be
A pillar of society -
A model for propriety -
Sobriety
An' piety -
Who shudders at the thought
Of notoriety!
The ladies an' gents 'ere before you -
Which none of 'em ever admits -
May 'ave saintly looks -
But they're sinners an' crooks!
Hypocrites!
Hypocrites!
There are preachers who kill!
There are killers who preach!
There are teachers who lie!
There are liars who teach!
Take yer pick, dear -
"Cause it's all a facade!
If we're not one, but two,
Are we evil or good?
Do we walk the fine line -
That we'd cross if we could?
Are we waiting -
To break through the facade?
One or two
Might look kinda well-to-do -
Hah! They're bad as me an' you,
Right down they're boots!
I'm inclined to think -
Half mankind
Thinks the other half is blind!
Wouldn't be surprise to find -
They're all in cahoots!
At the end of the day,
They don't mean what they say,
They don't say what they mean,
They don't ever come clean -
And the answer -
Is it's all a facade!
Is it's all a facade!
Man is not one, but two,
He is evil and good,
An' he walks the fine line
We'd all cross if we could!
It's a nightmare -
We can never discard -
So we stay on our guard -
Though we love the facade -
What's behind the facade?
Look behind the facade!
If that's what you truly believe, then create your own standard.
Let me go ask my other self...
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Err... He's not so sure either.
also we change from day to day.. I certainly am not the same person I was a decade ago.... or even 5 years ago..
Now... did anything I just wrote have anything to do with the actual content of this thread?
I'm sure that some one has percieved it has, if not to myself then I'm sure some one atleast percieves that it may have something to do with the content their self.
You "make" what may be a "valid" point.
dude.
The words make and valid, although it may be assumed that they have implied meanings, they might mean different things to others.
How does some one actually make a point? They may not actually make a point so much as they go through a individual process, series of thoughts to "make" a point.
What I consider valid may not be what others consider valid. Validation has what may be considered as subjective standards in a case such as this one.
In other words ... I refuse to believe you talk like this in person.. so just talk normal.. I think we can all agree we would rather get to know the real you and not this over analyzing every word character you have come up with recently....
Also do not over analyze that as me being mean.. because it it not my intention.
Every one may be trained to trust their personal opinions rather than ideas. I do not believe I can stop, as I percieve stopping, as I believe I percieve things, in the way I percieve them, how I percieve them.(?) When I wake up in the morning and live out my day the way I believe I percieve things is that my mind may have "altered, committmed "to what I consider possibly new beliefs , new ideas.(?)
I percieve that I believe ideas are a string, series, of information. (?)
----people tell me that it's no wonder I forget so much in the real world because I try to wrap my mind around such content, as they have(in)directly lead me to believe they precieve to be ,complicated content----
Dude. I exist. Do you? I have no damned idea.
Also. Send me the link.
Advice taken onboard then.
Seriously though, maybe it makes sense to yourself and some others, but when I read it, it's just cobblers
True dat.
Can we take a moment to acknowledge how subtle and hilarious this post was?
Ban Irishmile?! EGAD! Unthinkable.
Why would we ban one of the founding members? I think you're an original piece of these forums and obviously have a place here at the forums if you want it.
I viewed him as a older member for whatever reason...:D
Am I an original?
They're all pretty much the same discussion, from what I can tell. doodo thinks of something when he should probably be at work, posts it, waits for replies. Posts more. Starts the same thread again in a day or so. Repeat.
If so I wana be a founder.