Marty swearing...
When I first saw the cartoony style of the game, I had fears that a lot would be toned down to make it appropriate for all audiences. That fear was initially put to rest when the revisit of the first time travel experiment came up and Doc proclaimed, "When this baby hits 88 miles per hour...you're gonna see some serious shit." However, that fear has returned. The worst we've heard from Marty is "What the hell is that?!" In the movies, Marty has used, on different occasions, "Bastards!", "He's an asshole!", "You son of a bitch!", etc. In the game, most of Marty's "rude" comments have been reduced to "Crap!" And frankly, when Doc arrived and smashed into the back of Kid's limo in 1986A, that would have been the absolute perfect time for a McFly patented "Holy shit!!" scream. Please TellTale...you've proven you don't want to censor the game, so don't censor the game. Marty needs to belt out at LEAST a "Holy shit" when something really bad happens.
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I'm not really sure that's a big problem. Although I absolutely love the Back to the Future movies ever since my childhood, I don't really like cursing so for me it's a relief. But I'm cool with your concern. He did curse a lot more in the movies (something I had never really noticed as I was too drawn into the movie and characters to realize). But I've always thought it odd when people voice that they're POed or concerned that there isn't enough cursing in something claiming that this somehow makes the material for children (not just you; another example is an early issue of TMNT in the late 80's when readers called Eastman and Laird sell-outs, referencing that the turtles starting saying, "Crap" or "UT OH/uh oh"). I'm not sure I understand how less cursing makes something "kiddy-fied," or why a character has to always curse and can't have a larger vocabulary. I think overusing cursing, much like any words, can dull the impact the word needs when delivered. However for you, I believe the concern is instead one of questioning the faithfulness to the source material?
I'm not sure I've heard Marty say "Heavy" very much either, but I've heard or read somewhere on this site that TellTale purposely tried not to overuse the catch phrases - which makes me glad as overusing them may also dull their impact.
You know, cause only kids play video games. :rolleyes: I hate that kinda thinking personally.
I'm American and I find this conversation to be really weird. "Asshole", "hell", "shit", and "bastard" are maybe horrible, profane words to 5 year olds. I don't think he ever said anything that would have to be censored on network TV. Obviously there would be words to raise an issue about, but Marty never says them.
Secondly I find it weird because its a strange thing to care about. Its not like Marty's character was written as a foul mouth, he just happened to swear a few times. If he doesn't happen to swear a few times in the game, who cares?
I found it a little weird in the game to hear the Doc swear, just because the artistic style of the game is a little like a children's cartoon, but despite that the game isn't really meant for children so its not a problem.
The FCC wouldn't require that in a normal time slot, they only have a policy of fining if the context is adult and its in a time slot aimed at children or family viewing. "Asshole", "shit", "bastard", etc. are said regularly on TV. The FCC even let Bono get away with saying "fuck" several times.
If it was censored out it was done voluntarily to appeal to a broader audience. Which is stupid in itself, because you'd think they'd market BTTF to the audience that liked the original movie.
What, being faithful to the source material?... :rolleyes:
I was thinking the same thing. I was actually really surprised he dropped the J bomb in the game due to this, even though I knew it was in the movie.
I've never heard using Christ's name as an expletive called the J-Bomb before. Think I might use that from now on.
I like the word crap. Otherwise, I guess I'm going to have to mostly agree. ;-)
I didn't think it needed lots of cursing through out to make it entertaining, and since the original movies were family friendly with a surprising amount of cursing (and wouldn't you if something like seeing your best friend gunned down by Lebian terrorists or etc?) and I enjoyed them so much, the cursing actually went over my head so much that I never realized it had so much, so I never even noticed the lack of cursing while playing the games. The movies seemed to only have most of the cursing during really tense or excited, etc, scenes for Marty, etc, so maybe this is still staying true to the source material? I dunno. I don't know if he ever said "crap" in the movies, but I have to admit it seemed odd. I really didn't like the J-Bomb being dropped in either the movie or game, but otherwise I really have no complaints. I thought the game, like the movies, have been very enjoyable and entertaining in their own ways.
I think it's because in America (not sure what country we're comparing America to though), since it's past is strongly founded in religion, the country still has a lot of people that are offended by these words (this may take a history lesson I don't have time to write nor you all to read). Although I also don't like these words, I'm not offended by simply hearing them (they're just words, after all, and I feel society alone is what has maligned them; it's not like there's a list of "do not use" words in the Bible, etc), but what irritates me about my country of America is that our people choose to allow every little exercised right their fellow citizen has to bother them and then they have to become very hostile and have it censored or the right taken away for everyone else. I could go on a rant about it, but simply put: both religious and non-religious, strict and loose, and etc and etc keeping getting offended by the other and raising a stink about it for no reason. It's sad and childish, really.
Paragraph 2: I wholeheartedly agree. ;-) Why should we let anything bother us and break our cool? It's still a very good game.
Paragraph 3: I agree. I was personally surprised too. Especially with Marty's dropping the J-Bomb, but I think that's just because A) I'm Christian and
Best over dubbing ever:
The Big Lebowski on TNT or some such station.... "They peed on your valued rug, Dude."
F****** LOL I forgot about that I guess.
Europe is strongly founded in religion also, all of Europe was once referred to as 'Christendom'. The historical issue you refer to is that a lot of early American settlers were Puritans, who had a bit higher standards for morality than the people they left. But I don't think the early Puritans are really is what defines the difference between the opinions on morals between Europe and America.
My point anyway that the particular language we're talking about is used on TV and also is commonplace in the work environment and in every day adult life. The only place they might be disallowed is in front of children. There are much more worse words, which wouldn't even be polite in adult company.
People should of course learn to be more adult about the use of language and not get offended by everything ; but the idea that your right to speak freely is being taken away is misstatement I think. The only issue in law has ever been speech over public airwaves; while private speech is guaranteed by the Constitution. And even as such as public airwaves have been governed, it hasn't been as strict as people imagine.
There are much bigger issues over free speech in other countries. Violent video games are banned in some places in Europe, and Europe also has harsh hate speech laws. In some European countries its illegal to form a political party that espouses points of view that are considered hateful. In Germany, use of Nazi imagery is illegal. All of those things would be unthinkable in the US.
The best overdub ever is contained in this link.
What exactly is a "monday to friday plane?" lol
Dubbing is so funny because it just draws MORE attention to what they were saying.
Also, how come Marty dosen't say " that's heavy " anymore ?
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I could've sworn that I heard him say heavy a couple of times during my playthroughs.
I don't know why Marty couldn't belt out a "Holy shit" or two when Kid's calling him a "son of a bitch" every five minutes.
Language isn't a big deal at all for me - I don't care if my kids hear it, & it's not like I could really do much about it if I did. I'm hoping the game will stick to the movie format. Marty didn't spit out "obscenities" like some characters of other films, but he was certainly no "saint" either. So, again, I'm keeping positive & holding faith that TT will keep as close to the movie format (the needed aspects anyway) as much as possible.
I'm not sure about the unthinkableness in the US as I have no knowledge of such. But there is strong anti-hate laws in the US, although I do not know if they are as strict as the ones that you speak of.
The puritans' extreme moral values is a big part of what I was talking about. You nailed it on the head. America continued to keep strong values like these on up into the mid 1900's or so maybe (speaking as someone who has studied history and spoken to those alive during most of the early to mid 1900's, not that I would know personally). Some people tell me about the first expletives or nudity or etc on TV being scandalous and shocking and remember the television stations having complaints coming in and such. What I'm saying is that while both countries/cultures/areas were founded on religion, that it's simply taken a while for America to slowly remove itself from the strong Puritan and Christian moral values that heavily influenced the people here long ago. Especially in the Southern states on the East coast where there still remains a strong Christian religious presence. To many people here expletives/cursing are still frowned upon for adults - although it is common place for many others as well living in the some area. And it isn't just the religious that frown upon it. It's considered unprofessional in many work places in the South (I got a job once because the last employee was fired over excessive profanities while talking to customers). This may be because of a bad attitude and not the words themselves or it may be because it will alienate a business's religious or easily offended customers, thus hurting business. Probably the latter.
But you're right in that people should not allow themselves to be so offended by such. There's no reason to allow one's self to be offended to the point of reacting badly by anything, really, as it is better not to allow our emotions to compromise our mental clarity. If one doesn't like something it can always be discussed calmly. I have to agree, although I do not prefer excessive expletives, that people make too big a deal over certain things. There are far more important matters one can put his energy into, such as discouraging hate crimes by educating and promoting loving one's fellow man and etc.
Ha! You're right! That's hilarious. My own girlfriend doesn't even like it when I say something "sucks" or "crap" or "screwed." Maybe Jennifer is changing him a bit? ;-) lol
EDIT: Well, she lets me say crap and she uses it too, but that's unimportant. I have other peers that ask me not to say crap though, lol.
Strange thing is, when I was a kid "sucks" was a bad word but today I don't even know why and use it like any other non-offensive word in my vocabulary. I hear it said in children's cartoons all the time on Nickelodeon and every where else. Only my girlfriend - and maybe some elderly church goers or my pastor or someone I don't speak to much anyway - seems to find it offensive. I'll take it out of my vocab for her, but don't expect it not to pop into one of my character's dialog in the comics and other stuff I create, you know? Not until I find out why it's wrong. Seems like you might know? If it's dirty, or for it to be easier for me to know you replied, PM it to me. Thanks, Smoothgrh :-)
I do have to admit that it does seem odd since Marty said that a lot in the movies.
That said, I'm happy both ways. If they curse, it's true to the characters, if they don't, I don't care or notice, and I kinda prefer it that way anyway. The last point I'll agree with though is that 'watered-down' cursing is an unnecessary change to the characters.
*censored for all audiences. lol
As for Telltale. COMON! They DID make Llyod say "serious shit" which they didnt do in the movie itself! =D
Yes he did. That was the original line. Now, if you watch the movies on something like TNT or something similar, he'll say "serious stuff" instead.
This is one of the classic lines in the first movie. And to be honest, when it happened it the game, I almost thought they just pulled that line of audio directly from the movie. Anyone else get that? I know I'm probably wrong here, but is it possible they just wanted that line to sound perfect?