Well, I believe there's a high chance they exist. Of course aliens as in: beings from another planet... not the hollywood type of aliens, that is just silly lol I mean, isn't it presumptuous to assume that the universe was created only for us?
I believe in aliens. It seems almost impossible that we are alone in the entire universe. Earth is nothing more than a molecule of water in an entire ocean. I find it hard to believe that there are isn't any life out there.
I personally believe that there are intelligent aliens somewhere in the universe, and I believe that they've noticed earth's life and has interacted with it one way or another. I have to admit though, most of the alien "proof" someone would see on TV is usually taken completely out of context and they make them sound true, when it really is just a load of crap (especially Ancient Aliens on the History Channel, I can't stand that show.)
I personally believe that there are intelligent aliens somewhere in the universe, and I believe that they've noticed earth's life and has interacted with it one way or another.
You do realize how long it would take to get from wherever they'd come from to here, don't you?
It would take a very VERY long time.
Even Alpha Centauri, which is not inhabited, is still 25 trillion miles away.
If you consider how long the Earth has been populated by humans- and further, how long we've had the technology to transmit radio wave signals, there would be no way to expect our transmissions to have reached their home planet already by now thus alerting them to our presence.
Suffice it to say, they would have had to start their journey toward our planet long before we existed here in order to reach us by this time, which would suggest we weren't the reason why they started coming this direction in the first place.
...Star Trek warp theory not withstanding.
EDIT: Okay, okay. Maybe I sounded mean. I just think that faster than light travel, though a fascinating idea to theorize about (believe me, I love Star Trek alot), it is no less fiction than a transporter beam capable of transporting sentient life between hundreds of miles.
Star Trek never fully explains how their transporters overcome the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle beyond having "Heisenberg Compensators." Nor do they explain how their Intertial Dampeners work, especially considering that they can go to warp with the dampeners offline without killing everyone on the ship by the force of movement.
I'm just saying that even if you could hypothetically create a subspace warp field around a ship, reducing its relative mass to zero thus allowing it to be propelled at insane speeds with comparatively little effort, there are various other obstacles to overcome- not the least of which is accelerating a ship to such speeds without instantly turning everyone onboard into puddles of goo by inertial forces.
If they're so highly advanced, why would they bother with us?
Reality TV show.
In seriousness, considering the nigh-incomprehensible size of the universe and the law of large numbers, odds are firmly in favor of there being another intelligent life-form out there somewhere. The laws of physics say no to alien visitations, but what's the harm in allowing rednecks their fantasies.
And on the subject of FTL travel, although it's present in basically every major piece of science fiction ever created, it's always explained away with some kind of magic technobabble. Star Trek had the warp drive, Star Wars had hyperdrive, etc.
There's a lot of theories about how it could actually be done, but nothing really provable. Basically nothing with mass can travel faster than light (as far as we know at least), so to go faster than light you would have to eliminate mass somehow then reform it -- which, again, as far as we know is impossible but who knows. Quantum mechanics are weird.
Star Trek never fully explains how their transporters overcome the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle beyond having "Heisenberg Compensators." Nor do they explain how their Intertial Dampeners work, especially considering that they can go to warp with the dampeners offline without killing everyone on the ship by the force of movement.
Maybe because they are writers not scientists and if they had that amount of knowledge they would be making more money out of their discoveries than making a TV show. I get what you're saying that the Star Trek logic is flawed but I find people who crtisize a work of entertainment because of its scientific inacuracy to be quite irritating and so as people who try to use ideas inside the canon of the program to support real world arguments.
You do realize how long it would take to get from wherever they'd come from to here, don't you?
It would take a very VERY long time.
Even Alpha Centauri, which is not inhabited, is still 25 trillion miles away.
If you consider how long the Earth has been populated by humans- and further, how long we've had the technology to transmit radio wave signals, there would be no way to expect our transmissions to have reached their home planet already by now thus alerting them to our presence.
Suffice it to say, they would have had to start their journey toward our planet long before we existed here in order to reach us by this time, which would suggest we weren't the reason why they started coming this direction in the first place.
...Star Trek warp theory not withstanding.
EDIT: Okay, okay. Maybe I sounded mean. I just think that faster than light travel, though a fascinating idea to theorize about (believe me, I love Star Trek alot), it is no less fiction than a transporter beam capable of transporting sentient life between hundreds of miles.
Star Trek never fully explains how their transporters overcome the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle beyond having "Heisenberg Compensators." Nor do they explain how their Intertial Dampeners work, especially considering that they can go to warp with the dampeners offline without killing everyone on the ship by the force of movement.
I'm just saying that even if you could hypothetically create a subspace warp field around a ship, reducing its relative mass to zero thus allowing it to be propelled at insane speeds with comparatively little effort, there are various other obstacles to overcome- not the least of which is accelerating a ship to such speeds without instantly turning everyone onboard into puddles of goo by inertial forces.
In the case of warp drive, the ship itself does not go into motion. Rather, it is the universe itself that moves as two points of space are simultaneously compressed/contracted.
^Going back on what I said before that sounds even more stupid.
The drive, theoretically, creates no inertial effects to overcome. There's a mathematical demonstration of this drive based on the Casimir effect but the difficulties arise primarily in the energy requirements needed to create a space bubble that violates flat space and allows for rapid transition. Of course this is mathematical demonstration, and it also pushes the threshold of quantum inequalities in a way that make it difficult to realize how these issues would be overcome. If I understand it correctly, if the Casimir demonstrate limited violation of quantum inequalities, and these can be extrapolated, then it would theoretically be possible to create such a bubble. Again the problem would arise from the energy requirements.
Any so called evidence for the above has been debunked repeatably by that kooky concept known as science. I understand the human need to believe in such things because having a sense of mystery can provide us with a firm belief that our lives have a great purpose in the grand scheme of things.
Reading paranormal and conspiracy sites gives me a thrill, a sense of awe and wonderment.
Reading various scientific studies as to the actual explanations for such theories brings me straight back to reality with a depressing thud.
However, I would rather be in the know than to be in a continual state of ignorant bliss. Of course I fully understand why those who choose to be in denial do so, it can make life more bearable.
Is it possible to debunk something that hasn't had a proper theoretical proposition made of it? I kid, I know what you mean, though I don't entirely agree.
So no ones had any extraterrestrial experiences? no UFO's landing in your back garden? No silver suited spaceman floating past your bedroom window breathing like darth vader?
So no ones had any extraterrestrial experiences? no UFO's landing in your back garden? No silver suited spaceman floating past your bedroom window breathing like darth vader?
I find people who crtisize a work of entertainment because of its scientific inacuracy to be quite irritating and so as people who try to use ideas inside the canon of the program to support real world arguments.
I'm not criticizing Star Trek. I'm criticizing the belief that actual real life aliens could use concepts that are clearly fictional to aid them in actually visiting our planet.
I could converse and theorize all day about the science of Star Trek as though it were real. Heck, I'd even really enjoy that. However I still am convinced that any real life aliens from other distant planets are too far away to care enough to expend the obviously enormous amount of effort required to come here.
...I'm basically saying that I love Star Trek but anyone who thinks aliens are really visiting us is either not playing with a full deck or else hasn't thought through the science well enough to notice the glaring flaws in the logic of it all.
The truth may be out there but it's too much for most people to handle. It will NEVER be out in the open unless a alien lands in the middle of central park. And even then the government would call it a hoax.;)
As a race, we're too stupid, too ignorant, too stupid...too stupid...too stupid...to know the truth.
So no ones had any extraterrestrial experiences? no UFO's landing in your back garden? No silver suited spaceman floating past your bedroom window breathing like darth vader?
That's a false dichotomy and a questionable debate tactic at best.
If you say so. However in my opinion, it's great to have a good imagination and it's fun to theorize, but it's craziness to affix such theories to real life.
I'm sorry, but actual real life extraterrestrial aliens from (perhaps tens or hundreds of) thousands of light years away actually visiting us in real life right now? No, that's ridiculous. Even if it were at all possible, it would be impractical in the extreme.
I'm not criticizing Star Trek. I'm criticizing the belief that actual real life aliens could use concepts that are clearly fictional to aid them in actually visiting our planet.
If you say so. However in my opinion, it's great to have a good imagination and it's fun to theorize, but it's craziness to affix such theories to real life.
I'm sorry, but actual real life extraterrestrial aliens from (perhaps tens or hundreds of) thousands of light years away actually visiting us in real life right now? No, that's ridiculous. Even if it were at all possible, it would be impractical in the extreme.
Which is fine, but to assess those who ponder life's existence in space as one of your choices, says such people don't think through the science of it, which I feel few people would accuse Carl Sagan of.
Even Alpha Centauri, which is not inhabited, is still 25 trillion miles away.
If you consider how long the Earth has been populated by humans- and further, how long we've had the technology to transmit radio wave signals, there would be no way to expect our transmissions to have reached their home planet already by now thus alerting them to our presence.
Suffice it to say, they would have had to start their journey toward our planet long before we existed here in order to reach us by this time, which would suggest we weren't the reason why they started coming this direction in the first place.
...Star Trek warp theory not withstanding.
EDIT: Okay, okay. Maybe I sounded mean. I just think that faster than light travel, though a fascinating idea to theorize about (believe me, I love Star Trek alot), it is no less fiction than a transporter beam capable of transporting sentient life between hundreds of miles.
Star Trek never fully explains how their transporters overcome the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle beyond having "Heisenberg Compensators." Nor do they explain how their Intertial Dampeners work, especially considering that they can go to warp with the dampeners offline without killing everyone on the ship by the force of movement.
I'm just saying that even if you could hypothetically create a subspace warp field around a ship, reducing its relative mass to zero thus allowing it to be propelled at insane speeds with comparatively little effort, there are various other obstacles to overcome- not the least of which is accelerating a ship to such speeds without instantly turning everyone onboard into puddles of goo by inertial forces.
time and space may not matter to them at all. They might not even be part of any of our dimensions. You should read Micheal Crichton's novel called Sphere. Yes, it's just a science fiction book but it opens curious ideas that is pretty much impossible to answer.
Even Alpha Centauri, which is not inhabited, is still 25 trillion miles away.
If you consider how long the Earth has been populated by humans- and further, how long we've had the technology to transmit radio wave signals, there would be no way to expect our transmissions to have reached their home planet already by now thus alerting them to our presence.
Suffice it to say, they would have had to start their journey toward our planet long before we existed here in order to reach us by this time, which would suggest we weren't the reason why they started coming this direction in the first place.
...Star Trek warp theory not withstanding.
Just to reemphasize, the current theory is that the ship does not move, the Universe does, and thus you have zero inertia to overcome, and an unknown maximum travel factor (currently).
This number is lower than previous estimates, but still seems pretty big, and that is just in our galaxy. However, it seems unlikely that if any intelligent alien civilizations exist, that they would be visiting our planet, given the distance .
Oh I do believe in Aliens. It's this really bad sequel to one of the best movies ever (Alien). God I hate that Cameron guy. He ruins everything.
A liitle harsh, he's may not be Paul T. Anderson, but he's surely not as terrible as Paul W.S. Anderson (who f**ked up the Alien franchise far worse than Cameron ever managed to). Having said that I do agree with your comment, just with a little less hatred I guess.
Well the best we've got with the most simplistic type of teleportation is an 89% accuracy rate, not sure you want to gamble even with that sort of statistic
time and space may not matter to them at all. They might not even be part of any of our dimensions.
If time and space mean nothing to them, wouldn't that make them omnipresent?
Oh... or what if they could use an Inifinite Improbability Drive to power their ships, allowing them to travel to any time and place they wish. Then I suppose we should look out for mysterious appearances of sperm whales and bowls of petunias falling from the sky.
Or... how about just time. Time means nothing to them at all. Then we can also imagine that they exist inside the only known stable wormhole in the galaxy, and that inhabitants from a neighboring planet called Bajor, which the aliens protect, worship them as gods and call them The Prophets. It just too bad that we have to wait ~350 years before we discover this wormhole for ourselves.
Okay, I kid. But seriously, there are no aliens visiting us.
I very much believe in intelligent life elsewhere. I don't believe they travelled gazilliopns of lightyears to land in a field and give us no clue why they're here and then piss off again
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I personally believe that there are intelligent aliens somewhere in the universe, and I believe that they've noticed earth's life and has interacted with it one way or another. I have to admit though, most of the alien "proof" someone would see on TV is usually taken completely out of context and they make them sound true, when it really is just a load of crap (especially Ancient Aliens on the History Channel, I can't stand that show.)
You do realize how long it would take to get from wherever they'd come from to here, don't you?
It would take a very VERY long time.
Even Alpha Centauri, which is not inhabited, is still 25 trillion miles away.
If you consider how long the Earth has been populated by humans- and further, how long we've had the technology to transmit radio wave signals, there would be no way to expect our transmissions to have reached their home planet already by now thus alerting them to our presence.
Suffice it to say, they would have had to start their journey toward our planet long before we existed here in order to reach us by this time, which would suggest we weren't the reason why they started coming this direction in the first place.
...Star Trek warp theory not withstanding.
EDIT: Okay, okay. Maybe I sounded mean. I just think that faster than light travel, though a fascinating idea to theorize about (believe me, I love Star Trek alot), it is no less fiction than a transporter beam capable of transporting sentient life between hundreds of miles.
Star Trek never fully explains how their transporters overcome the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle beyond having "Heisenberg Compensators." Nor do they explain how their Intertial Dampeners work, especially considering that they can go to warp with the dampeners offline without killing everyone on the ship by the force of movement.
I'm just saying that even if you could hypothetically create a subspace warp field around a ship, reducing its relative mass to zero thus allowing it to be propelled at insane speeds with comparatively little effort, there are various other obstacles to overcome- not the least of which is accelerating a ship to such speeds without instantly turning everyone onboard into puddles of goo by inertial forces.
If they're so highly advanced, why would they bother with us?
To destroy the Earth to make way for the galactic freeway.
Reality TV show.
In seriousness, considering the nigh-incomprehensible size of the universe and the law of large numbers, odds are firmly in favor of there being another intelligent life-form out there somewhere. The laws of physics say no to alien visitations, but what's the harm in allowing rednecks their fantasies.
Point made.
There's a lot of theories about how it could actually be done, but nothing really provable. Basically nothing with mass can travel faster than light (as far as we know at least), so to go faster than light you would have to eliminate mass somehow then reform it -- which, again, as far as we know is impossible but who knows. Quantum mechanics are weird.
Maybe because they are writers not scientists and if they had that amount of knowledge they would be making more money out of their discoveries than making a TV show. I get what you're saying that the Star Trek logic is flawed but I find people who crtisize a work of entertainment because of its scientific inacuracy to be quite irritating and so as people who try to use ideas inside the canon of the program to support real world arguments.
In the case of warp drive, the ship itself does not go into motion. Rather, it is the universe itself that moves as two points of space are simultaneously compressed/contracted.
The drive, theoretically, creates no inertial effects to overcome. There's a mathematical demonstration of this drive based on the Casimir effect but the difficulties arise primarily in the energy requirements needed to create a space bubble that violates flat space and allows for rapid transition. Of course this is mathematical demonstration, and it also pushes the threshold of quantum inequalities in a way that make it difficult to realize how these issues would be overcome. If I understand it correctly, if the Casimir demonstrate limited violation of quantum inequalities, and these can be extrapolated, then it would theoretically be possible to create such a bubble. Again the problem would arise from the energy requirements.
Is it possible to debunk something that hasn't had a proper theoretical proposition made of it? I kid, I know what you mean, though I don't entirely agree.
I've seen the Marfa Lights, if that helps.
I'm not criticizing Star Trek. I'm criticizing the belief that actual real life aliens could use concepts that are clearly fictional to aid them in actually visiting our planet.
I could converse and theorize all day about the science of Star Trek as though it were real. Heck, I'd even really enjoy that. However I still am convinced that any real life aliens from other distant planets are too far away to care enough to expend the obviously enormous amount of effort required to come here.
...I'm basically saying that I love Star Trek but anyone who thinks aliens are really visiting us is either not playing with a full deck or else hasn't thought through the science well enough to notice the glaring flaws in the logic of it all.
As a race, we're too stupid, too ignorant, too stupid...too stupid...too stupid...to know the truth.
I'v been probed does that count?
If you say so. However in my opinion, it's great to have a good imagination and it's fun to theorize, but it's craziness to affix such theories to real life.
I'm sorry, but actual real life extraterrestrial aliens from (perhaps tens or hundreds of) thousands of light years away actually visiting us in real life right now? No, that's ridiculous. Even if it were at all possible, it would be impractical in the extreme.
Well only if they're sort of dense.
Which is fine, but to assess those who ponder life's existence in space as one of your choices, says such people don't think through the science of it, which I feel few people would accuse Carl Sagan of.
Just to reemphasize, the current theory is that the ship does not move, the Universe does, and thus you have zero inertia to overcome, and an unknown maximum travel factor (currently).
This number is lower than previous estimates, but still seems pretty big, and that is just in our galaxy. However, it seems unlikely that if any intelligent alien civilizations exist, that they would be visiting our planet, given the distance
The bastards!
A liitle harsh, he's may not be Paul T. Anderson, but he's surely not as terrible as Paul W.S. Anderson (who f**ked up the Alien franchise far worse than Cameron ever managed to). Having said that I do agree with your comment, just with a little less hatred I guess.
...although don't even get me started on Avatar!
Can't we do that with ppl yet Im sick of not being able to teleport home! it makes dinning and dashing easyer.
Imagine the epidemic of obesity though.
The Olympic games were forced to adapt once teleportation became commonplace
If time and space mean nothing to them, wouldn't that make them omnipresent?
Oh... or what if they could use an Inifinite Improbability Drive to power their ships, allowing them to travel to any time and place they wish. Then I suppose we should look out for mysterious appearances of sperm whales and bowls of petunias falling from the sky.
Or... how about just time. Time means nothing to them at all. Then we can also imagine that they exist inside the only known stable wormhole in the galaxy, and that inhabitants from a neighboring planet called Bajor, which the aliens protect, worship them as gods and call them The Prophets. It just too bad that we have to wait ~350 years before we discover this wormhole for ourselves.
Okay, I kid. But seriously, there are no aliens visiting us.
Basically, we haven't ran into them yet
What about thoes 150 times after?