I'm talking about real and effective communication.
You do think being able to telepathically communicate is awesome right?
I don't think language is as powerful as that imaginary communication tool, so it's flawed and cannot be taken seriously.
So it's not perfect. That's hardly a reason to equate it with a false religion or dogmatic belief. And since when can you not take something seriously just because it's flawed?
Well, it's just me and you and some people belonging to minority who know it's not perfect. Sadly, most people take it as a perfect tool ...dogmatically.
And since when can you not take something seriously just because it's flawed?
That's something on my account. I'm a perfectionist.
Space Dashing is a legit religion. There is just as much proof of his divinity as everyone else who has ever claimed to be a godhead. Why do you hate our religion in space?
Space?
Edit: You know you drunk post when you don't remember posting in a thread five minutes later.
I just watched The Devil's Advocate and it got me thinking a little about my own life. I've been studying religion/ philosophy, science, all sorts of things as of late and I respect and acknowledge the power behind these things more so in my life than ever before.
Of course being religious could mean anything, could mean you worship aliens, for all I know.
I was born and raised Catholic, and I still hold onto many of my beliefs, when I started to learn a little more about science and math my beliefs began to die down but when I got into some pretty interesting and further along philosophical concepts that tied into science like cake to icing I began to appreciate all things.
I now appreciate science, math, philosophy, art, in a way that I never had before. I appreciate all these things, equally. I wasn't sure earlier what I respected more, what held my interest , but I now admire and respect all these things.
What amazes me is how often people in their every day lives know "the truth" about certain issues, that they would never consider and yet consider just the same, but indifferently. It surprises me when I watch people day to day, or famous performers demonstrating some of the most advanced topics in scientific theory of the universe, some of the most difficult philosophical concepts without directly considering these things.
It amazes me deeply how so much can tie together. Many insights and personal beliefs about people are now crystal clear to me, and before I was a at a lost in the dark.
And yet, I feel like religion has more for me, could inspire me to be a better person. Certain qualities, for instance, I think this thread may demonstrate possible validity for self vanity issues.
As I've been inspired to go off on my own to understand humanity , I've separated myself from it. And it seems that some knowledge or at least socially relevant knowledge in the philosophical studies of humanity may actually represent a naive and misinformed individual.
What strikes me currently about religion, is the concept of love. I don't love any one, well I do, but it's difficult for me to embrace it, to feel entirely at peace, to carry it with me, harvest that energy. I don't carry it with me.
Yet, maybe it's a great illusion, where I fault myself entirely for all my failings, but the truth is that I just didn't get off on the right foot and I'm struggling where I cant muster up my strength to walk on through this dismal social life.
Though I do have rewards and much to be thank full for.
You merged the two identical threads!? but doesn't the laws of physics say two forum thread titles cannot occupy the same space!?
Guru has created an antimatter thread. If it collides with any regular matter threads, we could have an explosion of catastrophic proportions that could bring about the end of the world! Or...the Rapture.
Got asked a question the other day that I still wonder about. It won't be a new one for atheists on here, but I'd be interested if any of them had any thoughtful responses to it.
The question is "what evidence would you require to believe in God?"
Everything that comes to mind instantly doesn't work after a bit of thought. If there was a huge booming voice in the sky, and a beardy guy in my room, and a dead person that comes back to life in front of me, I think it would still be a better explanation to say "I'm losing my mental capacity" than "God exists".
So then what? A famous answer is "rabbits in the precambrian" or Richard Dawkins talked about finding some sort of biological signature. Neither of these answers work well either, because it still seems better to say "That's an unexplained phenomena" than "that phenomena is best explained by a giant, mostly unknowable deity".
The best answer I've heard so far is "I do not need to answer, because if God did exist, and I needed to believe, he would surely be able to find a way, even if I cannot conceive of one."
But it feels like a copout, so yeah, any responses guys?
Honestly, unless a deity showed themselves up close and personal to a wide group of individuals and proves that they can legitimately control the world around them with crazy powers that are proven to be nothing but the control of the deity without the aid of illusions or tricks, then I'd say that's pretty sufficient proof of the deity existing. Doesn't exactly mean I'd follow them though.
Philosophy/ art, music taught me ways to view universe, that were wise to those fields long before science were, and science does actually acknowledge these views.
I find it very fascinating. All these different people, view points often cross intersect, they are all the same, really. No matter how different their views appear to be, I see that one is often just the abstraction, or cousin of another.
I watch music videos, artist renderings, even if the intention is direct/ indirect all these beliefs, ideas can be correlated.
I see topics in both science and philosophy that correlate all the time, even if from a naive sense, the most abstract artistic "anti-ideas" are true ideas. Creativity that rules over certain ideas , that imagination should be no less valued in artistic genius than it is in scientific genius. Often the two have coincided. Many religious men throughout history have made famous scientists, as well as artists.
So very often I see reflections of beliefs spread throughout different medium, that actually turn out to be indifferent , it's just the ideas that spread throughout those different medium that distract us from the actual message we've picked up on.
So, yes, I am acknowledging all the contextual differences of religions , sciences, arts, but as foreign languages have symmetry so do all these things.
There's several beliefs, and beyond those things their true belief.
And it doesn't matter what came first, they are all the same, just demonstrated differently based on how they've been licensed.
Honestly, unless a deity showed themselves up close and personal to a wide group of individuals and proves that they can legitimately control the world around them with crazy powers that are proven to be nothing but the control of the deity without the aid of illusions or tricks, then I'd say that's pretty sufficient proof of the deity existing. Doesn't exactly mean I'd follow them though.
That is a problem of many religions. They claim to have a benevolent and forgiving deity, but still it plays that essentially unfair believe-in-me-or-forfeit-eternal-life game. You could have a god who'd sacrifice a large percentage of humanity come judgement day without remorse, just because they believed in the wrong god (or none at all), but this is the very same guy you want to spend eternity with. If I can choose between being locked in one heaven with such a ruthless deity and not living forever, I chose the latter.
Don't get me wrong, though. I am not exactly an agnostic. I've met women and men who took great strength and compassion from their religion, and about the most impressive of them was a successful chemist - in all honesty, I do not perceive religion and science in that much opposition. Nonetheless, I think it is high time our religions gave up their exclusivity claims concerning their knowledge of the way to bliss, and the violence that goes with it.
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You do think being able to telepathically communicate is awesome right?
I don't think language is as powerful as that imaginary communication tool, so it's flawed and cannot be taken seriously.
Space?
Edit: You know you drunk post when you don't remember posting in a thread five minutes later.
Of course being religious could mean anything, could mean you worship aliens, for all I know.
I was born and raised Catholic, and I still hold onto many of my beliefs, when I started to learn a little more about science and math my beliefs began to die down but when I got into some pretty interesting and further along philosophical concepts that tied into science like cake to icing I began to appreciate all things.
I now appreciate science, math, philosophy, art, in a way that I never had before. I appreciate all these things, equally. I wasn't sure earlier what I respected more, what held my interest , but I now admire and respect all these things.
What amazes me is how often people in their every day lives know "the truth" about certain issues, that they would never consider and yet consider just the same, but indifferently. It surprises me when I watch people day to day, or famous performers demonstrating some of the most advanced topics in scientific theory of the universe, some of the most difficult philosophical concepts without directly considering these things.
It amazes me deeply how so much can tie together. Many insights and personal beliefs about people are now crystal clear to me, and before I was a at a lost in the dark.
And yet, I feel like religion has more for me, could inspire me to be a better person. Certain qualities, for instance, I think this thread may demonstrate possible validity for self vanity issues.
As I've been inspired to go off on my own to understand humanity , I've separated myself from it. And it seems that some knowledge or at least socially relevant knowledge in the philosophical studies of humanity may actually represent a naive and misinformed individual.
What strikes me currently about religion, is the concept of love. I don't love any one, well I do, but it's difficult for me to embrace it, to feel entirely at peace, to carry it with me, harvest that energy. I don't carry it with me.
Yet, maybe it's a great illusion, where I fault myself entirely for all my failings, but the truth is that I just didn't get off on the right foot and I'm struggling where I cant muster up my strength to walk on through this dismal social life.
Though I do have rewards and much to be thank full for.
Thank you.
Is it a deep spiritual feeling?
Nah, more of the kind that would be rectified with a breath mint. Or would that make it worse?
There, I got Pants' response in, since he doesn't have internet today.
You merged the two identical threads!? but doesn't the laws of physics say two forum thread titles cannot occupy the same space!?
Guru has created an antimatter thread. If it collides with any regular matter threads, we could have an explosion of catastrophic proportions that could bring about the end of the world! Or...the Rapture.
And now we are back on topic!
The question is "what evidence would you require to believe in God?"
Everything that comes to mind instantly doesn't work after a bit of thought. If there was a huge booming voice in the sky, and a beardy guy in my room, and a dead person that comes back to life in front of me, I think it would still be a better explanation to say "I'm losing my mental capacity" than "God exists".
So then what? A famous answer is "rabbits in the precambrian" or Richard Dawkins talked about finding some sort of biological signature. Neither of these answers work well either, because it still seems better to say "That's an unexplained phenomena" than "that phenomena is best explained by a giant, mostly unknowable deity".
The best answer I've heard so far is "I do not need to answer, because if God did exist, and I needed to believe, he would surely be able to find a way, even if I cannot conceive of one."
But it feels like a copout, so yeah, any responses guys?
I find it very fascinating. All these different people, view points often cross intersect, they are all the same, really. No matter how different their views appear to be, I see that one is often just the abstraction, or cousin of another.
I watch music videos, artist renderings, even if the intention is direct/ indirect all these beliefs, ideas can be correlated.
I see topics in both science and philosophy that correlate all the time, even if from a naive sense, the most abstract artistic "anti-ideas" are true ideas. Creativity that rules over certain ideas , that imagination should be no less valued in artistic genius than it is in scientific genius. Often the two have coincided. Many religious men throughout history have made famous scientists, as well as artists.
So very often I see reflections of beliefs spread throughout different medium, that actually turn out to be indifferent , it's just the ideas that spread throughout those different medium that distract us from the actual message we've picked up on.
So, yes, I am acknowledging all the contextual differences of religions , sciences, arts, but as foreign languages have symmetry so do all these things.
There's several beliefs, and beyond those things their true belief.
And it doesn't matter what came first, they are all the same, just demonstrated differently based on how they've been licensed.
That is a problem of many religions. They claim to have a benevolent and forgiving deity, but still it plays that essentially unfair believe-in-me-or-forfeit-eternal-life game. You could have a god who'd sacrifice a large percentage of humanity come judgement day without remorse, just because they believed in the wrong god (or none at all), but this is the very same guy you want to spend eternity with. If I can choose between being locked in one heaven with such a ruthless deity and not living forever, I chose the latter.
Don't get me wrong, though. I am not exactly an agnostic. I've met women and men who took great strength and compassion from their religion, and about the most impressive of them was a successful chemist - in all honesty, I do not perceive religion and science in that much opposition. Nonetheless, I think it is high time our religions gave up their exclusivity claims concerning their knowledge of the way to bliss, and the violence that goes with it.