Has FireFox. Doesn't see why it's great.

edited August 2011 in General Chat
I've been long overdue to get FireFox, but it became very apparent that the entire internet is against default browsers. There was even a study posted recently that claims if you use IE9, you're not as intelligent as those who use FireFox or Chrome. Surprisingly Safari users scored just above IE users in that study, too.

But you know what? I don't see why this browser is so great. I have the NoScript add-on for security reasons (recent hijacking... ON MY MAC!! :eek: ), and so far, I don't see what the big deal is.

After hearing about how great the browser is and I should have it and use nothing but it, I'm not seeing the benefits right now, let alone any improvements.

Mind telling me what you guys LIKE about the browser? Seriously, I'm posting this thread while on FireFox and I still don't see what's so great about it other than a yellow bar on the bottom that tells me it's blocking tracking ads from Google right now.

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  • edited August 2011
    Honestly, I got Firefox because of the icon. I really can't tell the difference between Firefox, IE9, Safari, and Chrome except that some of the online applications that I need to use for school only seem to work on Firefox, hence that is the one I use. Also, I guess that after using for so many years, I'm just used to it and set in my ways. Though the recent update that moved the refresh button to a very unhelpful place sort of annoyed me.
  • edited August 2011
    I switched to Firefox so long ago that by now I mostly use it out of habit. That said, much of the attraction seems to be with the plug-ins these days. From my own experience I can tell Adblock Plus is a godsend, Firebug and Rikaichan are very nifty and I quite like TACO.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited August 2011
    Zeek wrote: »
    I've been long overdue to get FireFox, but it became very apparent that the entire internet is against default browsers. There was even a study posted recently that claims if you use IE9, you're not as intelligent as those who use FireFox or Chrome. Surprisingly Safari users scored just above IE users in that study, too.

    Someone mentions a study, that means I have to chime in. During the months of summer, newspapers and online news sites are desperate to fill space and they are, internationally, willing to publish the most unbelievable shit just to get something on their pages. The study you mention has made its rounds in German newspapers as well, and only the BBC seemed to be able to take a closer look:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14370878

    To put the whole thing in a nutshell: All fake. ;)
  • edited August 2011
    Firefox is pretty good and my favoured browser due to it having more features and a higher compatibility over Internet Explorer. To be honest though, that was mostly years ago when IE was a piece of shit. These days, IE should do fine for general surfing usage.

    Much like Alcoremortis, I mostly stick with Firefox these days due to habit and because I like the icon. Also, judging people's intelligent via which browser they use is in of itself moronic and elitest.
  • edited August 2011
    No, use Opera. Opera is and always shall be the best. It's like Chrome and Firefox had a baby and mixed it in Chocolate to add to the amazing.

    Firefox is, by my count, the fourth worst of the Big browsers. In my opinion:

    1.Opera
    2.Chrome
    3.Safari
    4.Firefox
    5.Internet Explorer
  • edited August 2011
    Ribs wrote: »
    No, use Opera. Opera is and always shall be the best. It's like Chrome and Firefox had a baby and mixed it in Chocolate to add to the amazing.

    Darn, I forgot about Opera and you're correct; it's a really nice browser.
  • edited August 2011
    Davies wrote: »
    Firefox is pretty good and my favoured browser due to it having more features and a higher compatibility over Internet Explorer. To be honest though, that was mostly years ago when IE was a piece of shit. These days, IE should do fine for general surfing usage.
    I guess the one website that said I needed it to view their Flash games is just stuck in their ways. Or they won't admit that their coding sucks.

    Seriously, I can't access their games on Safari or IE, yet I can access the rest of the internet's flash content just fine?:rolleyes:

    OH well, I know Newgrounds purposely codes for browsers outside of IE, or at least they used to until IE9 caught up. Now you just have the hold outs over there that don't like IE because it is associated with Microsoft.

    Anyway....

    So I take it that I'm actually in the norm right now? Firefox is no better and no worse than Safari or IE? It's just a matter of preference now rather than performance?
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited August 2011
    I tried the Explorer, Chrome and Firefox, and I'm stuck with the latter. Can't say I'm satisfied, but I think I chose the lesser evil. The newer versions of Firefox seem to take eternity to start up and unfortunately, the flash plugin seems to crash quite a lot. Chrome, while advertised as the fastest browser, seems to be seriously slow. But I found the Explorer to be the most tedious of the lot, and it still seems to be a goddamn open barn door when it comes to virus, worm and trojan infections.
  • edited August 2011
    For me it boils down to speed, reliability, performance and ease of use. Firefox is fast and in a variety of tests performs well. It never crashes on me, doesn't have a long start up time and doesn't take up a huge chunk of my memory. If there's ever something Firefox doesn't have, you can get a plug in for it so that it has that ability. And the interface is sleek, minimal and simple.

    The new IE is a lot better than the old one and took a lot of its design ideas from Chrome/Firefox.
  • edited August 2011
    Harald B wrote: »
    Adblock Plus

    This. This is the reason Firefox exists.
  • edited August 2011
    Opera is indeed a very nice browser, but not everything works well with it. Most sites will test with Firefox, but not everyone tests with Opera.

    I've never been comfortable with IE, because it's too interlocked with the operating system. I can have multiple versions of other browsers installed if I really want to, but not IE.

    I'm also typing this on a Linux system, so IE isn't much of an option anyway. :)

    By the way, you can move the buttons around in Firefox if you don't like their positions, but it isn't as user-friendly as it should be.
  • edited August 2011
    Firefox used to be the best.

    But everyone else caught up.
  • edited August 2011
    Firefox does everything I want it to do. Really do not like IE and Chrome, while nice, doesn't do everything I want it to do. Yet.
  • edited August 2011
    I also find it hard to use IE because it's IE. I grew up using Navigator and being aware of the battle being waged against Microsoft's browser monopoly. So, some bitterness there.
  • edited August 2011
    Firefox was great when Explorer was garbage. Many people, like myself, just stuck with them.
  • edited August 2011
    The advantage of Firefox over Chrome is the greater availability of extensions (add-ons). This may be changing, however slowly, but the last time I used Chrome there were several extensions that I use in Firefox that weren't similarly available in Chrome. One such example of this is NoScript.
  • edited August 2011
    I have fire fox because for some reason, after updating it, internet explorer doesn't play videos with a clear screen anymore. For example, the videos when you first open the TellTale website, I can hear them, but the screen is black. So I have to use FireFox to watch videos. Except for youtube. youtube still work on IE
  • edited August 2011
    sounds like you need to update your installed version of Flash.
  • edited August 2011
    The reason why I'm NOT using IE is IE is very prone to anonymous toolbar downloads and spywares, also uses a big amount of memory space. After this point onwards I have the freedom of using any browser I want, and I chose Firefox. Its design is slick and it was first compatible with the very few amount of add-ons I use, so I never wanted to change to Chrome or Opera or anything else. People say Chrome is better because of less CPU usage or something but it's not like I'm always deeply running out of memory and CPU usage here.
  • edited August 2011
    +1.
  • edited August 2011
    Falanca wrote: »
    The reason why I'm NOT using IE is IE is very prone to anonymous toolbar downloads and spywares, also uses a big amount of memory space. After this point onwards I have the freedom of using any browser I want, and I chose Firefox. Its design is slick and it was first compatible with the very few amount of add-ons I use, so I never wanted to change to Chrome or Opera or anything else. People say Chrome is better because of less CPU usage or something but it's not like I'm always deeply running out of memory and CPU usage here.

    Wait? What? I've never had that happen with IE and I've been using it since XP days. I tried switching to Firefox but it just wasn't upto par, at least to me and was slower. I switched to Opera for a while but it was a massive resource hog due to a lot of bells and whistles they added. Plus I avoided Firefox like the plague after they had announced that early on some of their data leaks and dumps were "Features" not bugs. I heard they fixed some of them, but that was enough to put me off. Also, when making a website, making it for FireFox compatiable is the worst. I have to purposefully ruin how it looks in IE, Chrome, and Opera to make it work in Firefox. So now I just make it work good in Opera, which if it works good in Opera it works good in Chrome and IE aswell.

    Also, I hate how most Firefox users are elitist dicks.
  • edited August 2011
    Elvenmonk wrote: »
    Also, when making a website, making it for FireFox compatiable is the worst. I have to purposefully ruin how it looks in IE, Chrome, and Opera to make it work in Firefox. So now I just make it work good in Opera, which if it works good in Opera it works good in Chrome and IE aswell.

    Say what!? I'm not a web developer, but I've been making websites for years as front ends for some of the systems I'm developing, and in my experience IE is by far the worst browser to develop for, since they've deliberately chosen not to follow w3c standards, but instead make their own. Firefox mostly follows standards, but are very lax about them, so pretty much everything goes. When it comes to figuring out what's wrong if something doesn't look like it's supposed to, that's very easy with Firebug for Firefox. Opera has its own debugger which is very similar. IE has an extension you can download, but it's pretty much good for nothing. Whenever I run into a problem with IE, I use Opera's debugger to figure out what's wrong, since Opera is pretty strict, like IE, but unlike IE isn't a developer's nightmare.
  • edited August 2011
    Firefox is the browser of my choice, because in the past, Internet Explorer was a pain to use, especially for a developer. Internet Explorer 9 seems to be quite good, but there's no need to switch, as Firefox is still good for my needs.

    I have Chrome and IE installed too and I'm not a fan of Chrome, and I hate IE, for the above mentioned development reasons, and because whatever you do you need to add extra shenanigans to make it work in IE (although with IE9 it's become a lot better, good job MS).

    At this point, just use your browser of choice, they're all good.
  • edited August 2011
    I actually think the latest iteration of IE is pretty good, but it had a long history of suck. Not that I was ever going to use it anyway since i went straight from Netscape to Firefox.
  • edited August 2011
    flesk wrote: »
    Say what!? I'm not a web developer, but I've been making websites for years as front ends for some of the systems I'm developing, and in my experience IE is by far the worst browser to develop for, since they've deliberately chosen not to follow w3c standards, but instead make their own. Firefox mostly follows standards, but are very lax about them, so pretty much everything goes. When it comes to figuring out what's wrong if something doesn't look like it's supposed to, that's very easy with Firebug for Firefox. Opera has its own debugger which is very similar. IE has an extension you can download, but it's pretty much good for nothing. Whenever I run into a problem with IE, I use Opera's debugger to figure out what's wrong, since Opera is pretty strict, like IE, but unlike IE isn't a developer's nightmare.

    Really? I've always ran into the exact opposite. That's one of my main hatreds for Firefox was making it harder on me. IE's retardedly laxed nature I knew how to get aroudn easily without disrupting Opera's strict nature. But for some reason with Firefox tables could be collapsed, misaligned, or not even show at all.

    Oh IE9 made me switch back to IE, despite my hatred of it's URL bar/search bar. But I just grabbed the google tool bar to fix that. But what I hate most with IE 9 is it's compat. mode. When you make a website you can force IE9 into compat mode, so that way you're guranteed to have your site work. However a lot of websites have been making it so when viewed in compat. mode IE 9 is broken, then forces the users to use IE 9 compat. mode. So, I have to hit F12 switch it manually to IE 9 regular, or IE8,7,or 6 for the website to work properly. It's very annoying how many websites do that.

    I know for some weird reason Gmail does it, then it tells you to never use compat mode.
  • edited August 2011
    So for the techies here, any ideas how to get back the nifty "save pages when closing FF" feature 3.xx had? Can't find it in 4.0. Is it hidden? Did it return in 5.0 or 6.0 (whatever happened with updates anyway)?

    I kind of fear upgrading seeing how much I liked about FF got lost in the 3-4 update :(.
  • edited August 2011
    It's always been there, just named differently (I think). I'm using 6.0 myself and in the general tab on the options menu, the first option is about when Firefox starts and what you want it to do, either open home page, start with a blank page or open with windows and tabs from last time - this last option being the one you want.
  • edited August 2011
    Thanks. It was there indeed for 4 too. Still would have prefered the option "home page/last visited" instead of one of the two being forced upon you, but alas...
  • edited August 2011
    yeah, the internet is totally rad.
  • edited August 2011
    what? what does that have to do with anything?
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