It has been proven that Larry wakes up if your fast enough, picture yourself how time slows down and a block of salt lick is going towards your face, sounds like a nasty last moment to me. But no doubt Marks end was worse,just saying.
He never took a breath in my ending, but I made the decision that he was dead and we needed to protect ourselves. I felt bad for Lily, and I don't blame her for her reaction, but she was thinking from a purely emotional standpoint, and Kenny was being purely rational. I tried to mediate between the two (I stalled Kenny as long as possible, and when Larry didn't respond to Lily's attempts to revive him, that's when I finally made a choice to side with Kenny - longest three second of my life!).
Besides, I already made my arguments as to why the practical choice may be just to let Larry die above. I just think that Larry (in my game, at least) got a merciful end to his life. I don't think most of us will be that Lucky in The Walking Dead.
If you look at why,it does makes sense he want Lee gone. You dont have to like it but he has a good point. He dont know Lee, a man of Larrys age ought to been brought up in a rather racist community as well. So there is more to it then "Lee is black an a killer so I hate him" you do know that right?
Yes Kenny did save Lee in Ep I but he didnt seem to keen to help when Danny had a gun in your face(might be affected by if you sided whit him on killing Larry or not,Idk).
I can´t shake the feeling that Kenny and Larry was two sides of the same coin only Kenny is a bit more selfish then Larry, both are looking after thier family,sure. But I think Larry was a bit morde "greater good" then Kenny.
I'm sorry but you must be seeing something in Larry that I'm not, but I suppose that's the good thing of not having to live through a zombie apocalypse: you don't get a salt lick on the head for having a difference of opinion.
I'm never believed it had anything to do with rascism myself, and I don't recall ever saying that it was so not sure where you got that idea from. There is a difference to me between not helping and deliberately trying to get you killed, Larry did the second and that makes him an attempted murderer, and I think he is just a selfish prick tbh. Oh I know that we are 'informed' by Lily that he has his reasons and that he's just looking out for his daughter, but that doesn't match up with what I observe of his actions. He seems to rather enjoy the benefits of having Lily in charge (he gets extra rations after all, at Clementine's expense no less, someone he claimed to care for but who you never ever see him lift a finger for). In short, from my observations Kenny actually does care for his family despite being a coward while Larry was just a selfcentred dick, but YMMV.
There was never a particularly good time for Larry to spill the beans on Lee that would've been all that beneficial to the cohesion of the group. The only real chance he had during the episode was when Lee first came into the store with his own group in tow, during an already high-stress crisis (the potential that Duck was going to turn into a Walker), and adding to the drama of "we just let in a kid who's going to turn into an undead cannibal" with "oh, and a murderer too" wasn't likely to help matters (incidentally, Carley actually makes the same observation when she's not as trusting of Lee).
For the rest of the episode right after that, Larry was semi-conscious. He wasn't able to speak in complete sentences again until the very end of Episode 1.
It's hardly Larry's fault the pharmacy alarm went off: First, we know from Lilly that her group had been trying to break into the pharmacy since they first set foot in the drugstore anyway, before Lee's group even arrived in Macon. Second, nobody objected to the idea of breaking into the pharmacy. Finally, nobody knew about the alarm; not even Lee, and his family owned the place.
By that reasoning, you can lay the blame for Carley/Doug's death squarely at the feet of Lee's group since the confrontation with them was the whole reason Larry needed his medication at the point in the first place.
There's also no reason to assume Larry knew Lee saved his life at the time, the guy doesn't really regain consciousness until after the drugstore was under siege.
The whole reason for the "Duck drama" had to do with the fact he spent time under a hungry walker, came into the store covered with blood and gore, while suspiciously covering part of his arm with his hand (incidentally, the arm he covers is the same one we see under the aforementioned walker's face) and the kid never says a word during the entire exchange. Considering Duck gets Shawn killed, and was the only one seen to keep happily chow down on Mark Meat after Lee tells everyone not to eat it, I wouldn't be surprised if turned out the kid was an undercover Walker (joke in bad taste? Maybe, pun intended? Also maybe).
For the vast majority of the time we see Larry in Episode 1, he's either near death and semi-conscious, or there's a "everything's going to hell" crisis. We don't see him in a "relaxed" setting until the very end of Episode 1, which would be the first real chance Lee would have to actually converse with the guy and potentially try to convince him that convicted murderers can be good people too. Hell, by the beginning of Episode 2, Larry's willing to save Lee's life.
And if Larry had not been trying to murder a child he would not have had the confrontation to begin with. My point was that the rest of the group went out of their way for him, and yet instead of helping he puts the whole group at risk in an attempt to murder yet another member of the group. I'm sorry, but you don't get to claim to be protecting the group from a convicted murderer when you try to kill two of them yourself. The sad fact is that the group probably would've survived better if they had just left Larry to die (ditching Lily too if necessary). I would not endorse such an action myself since I wouldn't condone leaving someone to die (I'm not a Larry), but it would have probably worked out better in the long run.
I'm sorry, but unless Larry was mentally undeveloped or something there really isn't any justification for his actions in my mind and I find it hard to feel any sympathy for him despite choosing the option to try and save him every time.
OK honestly I wanted Larry dead just... not like that. I was thinking if doing something like throwing him to the zombies while no one is around but you two, or simply shooting him away from Lilly. The last thing I was expecting or wanted was to smash his head in with a salt lick infront of Lilly and Clem. It's one thing to find out that someone you know is dead, it's another to watch his brains smashed in right in front of your very eyes. That's why I tried to save Larry, not because I liked him, but because I couldn't kill him in front of Lilly and Clem.
OK honestly I wanted Larry dead just... not like that. I was thinking if doing something like throwing him to the zombies while no one is around but you two, or simply shooting him away from Lilly. The last thing I was expecting or wanted was to smash his head in with a salt lick infront of Lilly and Clem. It's one thing to find out that someone you know is dead, it's another to watch his brains smashed in right in front of your very eyes. That's why I tried to save Larry, not because I liked him, but because I couldn't kill him in front of Lilly and Clem.
It's horrible, but unavoidable. I mean, considering that my group just ate Mark, and then saw him drag his legless body downstairs to get help, I think that killing Larry in front of them should be a little less disturbing.
I empathize with both Lily and Clem, but I can't afford to entertain emotions and feelings when our safety is directly in jeopardy. I'll do what I have to in order to keep everyone who is willing to stay with me alive, and deal with the fall out later.
For me it came down to one thing. did i want to see Larry die quick, easy and unconscious, or did i want to see him die slowly, agonizingly and fully aware of the horror that was eating him alive?
No Larry, you aint going out the easy way! *pounds on Larry's chest* Live you bastard! *pounds on Larry's chest* Live so that you can die screaming! *pounds on Larry's chest* Don't you dare cheat me out of my retribution! *SCRUNCH!* ..... Damnit Kenny, i love you mate, but... you just screwed me out of a very satisfying experience....
Most convicted murderers are not serial killers, most murders are crimes of passion, something that I'm surprised Larry hasn't done himself considering his temper.
source? What do you mean by crime of passion? Also my understanding is CPR is supposed to be used only when the person's heart stops and only buys time for other procedures. CPR does not revive heart attack victims.
It's horrible, but unavoidable. I mean, considering that my group just ate Mark, and then saw him drag his legless body downstairs to get help, I think that killing Larry in front of them should be a little less disturbing.
I empathize with both Lily and Clem, but I can't afford to entertain emotions and feelings when our safety is directly in jeopardy. I'll do what I have to in order to keep everyone who is willing to stay with me alive, and deal with the fall out later.
Yes I get where you're coming from, but let's not forget that Lily didn't eat her dad but instead Mark (and from what I saw she could of cares less about him) and Clem's 8 so either way that event will screw her up, eating Mark or not. Not to mention the fact that Mark was still alive when they saw him. Oh and I'd think watching someone crawl towards you asking for help with no legs wouldn't be as bad as watching a guy you belive is still alive get his head smashed in because one guy thinks he may turn into a walker, and I'd be willing to get watching those events happen in that order would be even worse.
Oh and about the whole emotion thing, would you want one of your group to go mad and kill everyone because of a series of events that happened to them? Because I sure as hell wouldn't. Entertaining emotions may not seem like a good idea, but in a zombie infested world you should be more then willing to otherwise you could be on the wrong end of an axe head.
Yes I get where you're coming from, but let's not forget that Lily didn't eat her dad but instead Mark (and from what I saw she could of cares less about him) and Clem's 8 so either way that event will screw her up, eating Mark or not. Not to mention the fact that Mark was still alive when they saw him. Oh and I'd think watching someone crawl towards you asking for help with no legs wouldn't be as bad as watching a guy you belive is still alive get his head smashed in because one guy thinks he may turn into a walker, and I'd be willing to get watching those events happen in that order would be even worse.
Oh and about the whole emotion thing, would you want one of your group to go mad and kill everyone because of a series of events that happened to them? Because I sure as hell wouldn't. Entertaining emotions may not seem like a good idea, but in a zombie infested world you should be more then willing to otherwise you could be on the wrong end of an axe head.
I'm not heartless - I look after the kids, I console people - I didn't even judge Lily or Larry for her Dad's behavior in the drugstore. Heck, I didn't even kill the St. John brothers (the magnificent bastards that THEY are).
That is why I said "direct" threats to the safety of the group deserve my prompt attention over anyone's emotional needs (including my own). Lily isn't going to care that I tried to help her save her Dad if he turns into a Walker (and I'm sorry, there is good evidence to assume that Larry is indeed not coming back, and the only evidence contrary having the player resort to meta-gaming). I'm going to make the choice to protect Clem, and then hopefully when we are safe again, answer any of her questions and explain what I did to the best of my abilities. Besides, how much more terrifying would it have been to have Larry turn into a Walker while we are trapped in that Meat Locker?
And I understand we want to limit emotional damage as much as we possibly can, but again, I'm going to have an easier time explaining to Clem why I chose to kill Larry than I am explaining to her why those people fed us a member of our own group (regardless of whether or not SHE ate him, which in my playthrough, she didn't).
See my first post on this thread for why I won't lose any sleep over my choice. (EDIT: It's about midway down page four)
Even though nobody liked him, I just couldn't agree with Kenny and kill him. He still deserved a chance. Larry did indeed get us out of the meat locker indirectly.
Even though nobody liked him, I just couldn't agree with Kenny and kill him. He still deserved a chance. Larry did indeed get us out of the meat locker indirectly.
And I don't think of it as choosing to kill him - rather, with the information I have available, I consider that I've decided that he CAN'T be saved. So instead of wasting my time continuing with CPR (which, at the time of the decision, has been going on for over a full minute with no results), I help Kenny by moving Lily away so that Larry can be stopped from coming back as a walker.
I'm surprised the stealing from the car and killing Larry stats aren't similar. Seems hypocritical to be sympathetic to Larry and then stealing essential supplies from somebody's car.
Its right ! Larry can be a little bad with words but he is not bad or a crazy old man ! he was just looking for is daughter ! the true is that ! oh and he was alive when kenny killed him ! really fail kenny !
Sisterofshane you keep making so many excuses. No matter how bad Larry was, he still deserved a chance. Lee fought quite a lot of zombies, he could've handled Larry if he reanimated which you can't be sure would've happened at all. I'm pretty sure he was still alive. Maybe Kenny would know that they could handle a single walker if he actually fought one for a change. If someone had the right to smash Larry's head, this person should've been Lee or Lilly herself. A spineless coward like Kenny doesn't have such options.
Sisterofshane you keep making so many excuses. No matter how bad Larry was, he still deserved a chance. Lee fought quite a lot of zombies, he could've handled Larry if he reanimated which you can't be sure would've happened at all. I'm pretty sure he was still alive. Maybe Kenny would know that they could handle a single walker if he actually fought one for a change. If someone had the right to smash Larry's head, this person should've been Lee or Lilly herself. A spineless coward like Kenny doesn't have such options.
You can't say Lee would have "handled" a zombified Larry with certainty. How would you know that? Realistically a 6'4'' 300lb zombie in close quarters would be fatal scenario. Plus Larry was probably dead. He seemingly had a heart attack and was NOT breathing. If you're not breathing, you're pretty much dead.
End of argument. And did everyone forget that Larry tried to kill Lee and Duck in episode 1?
So true. Did everyone also forget that it was Kenny who saved Lee in the first episode? Even if you were not on Kenny's side in episode 1, he would have still saved you.
Awesoke zombies do not jump to their feet the very first second they open their eyes and thus his weight doesn't have anything to do with the problem. He will be killed before he can get up. Kenny could have just stood with the heavy object above his head, waiting to see if Larry was really dead.
Awesoke zombies do not jump to their feet the very first second they open their eyes and thus his weight doesn't have anything to do with the problem. He will be killed before he can get up. Kenny could have just stood with the heavy object above his head, waiting to see if Larry was really dead.
In hindsight the choices are obviously easier because you already know what happened. You're not considering the reality of their situation. Larry had a heart attack and everyone was practically panicking. Knowing how quickly someone could change, the situation required an immediate response. No way you could realistically wait for someone to turn before you killed them.
Well, yeah, the first time I played it I decided to save Larry because I chose to believe we could. Kenny however didn't and that's why I hate him + later letting me die.
In hindsight the choices are obviously easier because you already know what happened. You're not considering the reality of their situation. Larry had a heart attack and everyone was practically panicking. Knowing how quickly someone could change, the situation required an immediate response. No way you could realistically wait for someone to turn before you killed them.
Not to mention he doesn't need to jump to his feet when you and Lily are kneeling next to him trying to save his life. You can't perform CPR from a "safe distance", and being within grabbing distance puts you at risk.
Well, yeah, the first time I played it I decided to save Larry because I chose to believe we could. Kenny however didn't and that's why I hate him + later letting me die.
Well you had every right to make your own choice - the beauty of this game.
My choice was to kill Larry (in the minority lol). I regret how it went down but I believe it was the right choice. I didn't want to take a chance on anyone getting infected.
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He never took a breath in my ending, but I made the decision that he was dead and we needed to protect ourselves. I felt bad for Lily, and I don't blame her for her reaction, but she was thinking from a purely emotional standpoint, and Kenny was being purely rational. I tried to mediate between the two (I stalled Kenny as long as possible, and when Larry didn't respond to Lily's attempts to revive him, that's when I finally made a choice to side with Kenny - longest three second of my life!).
Besides, I already made my arguments as to why the practical choice may be just to let Larry die above. I just think that Larry (in my game, at least) got a merciful end to his life. I don't think most of us will be that Lucky in The Walking Dead.
I'm sorry but you must be seeing something in Larry that I'm not, but I suppose that's the good thing of not having to live through a zombie apocalypse: you don't get a salt lick on the head for having a difference of opinion.
I'm never believed it had anything to do with rascism myself, and I don't recall ever saying that it was so not sure where you got that idea from. There is a difference to me between not helping and deliberately trying to get you killed, Larry did the second and that makes him an attempted murderer, and I think he is just a selfish prick tbh. Oh I know that we are 'informed' by Lily that he has his reasons and that he's just looking out for his daughter, but that doesn't match up with what I observe of his actions. He seems to rather enjoy the benefits of having Lily in charge (he gets extra rations after all, at Clementine's expense no less, someone he claimed to care for but who you never ever see him lift a finger for). In short, from my observations Kenny actually does care for his family despite being a coward while Larry was just a selfcentred dick, but YMMV.
And if Larry had not been trying to murder a child he would not have had the confrontation to begin with. My point was that the rest of the group went out of their way for him, and yet instead of helping he puts the whole group at risk in an attempt to murder yet another member of the group. I'm sorry, but you don't get to claim to be protecting the group from a convicted murderer when you try to kill two of them yourself. The sad fact is that the group probably would've survived better if they had just left Larry to die (ditching Lily too if necessary). I would not endorse such an action myself since I wouldn't condone leaving someone to die (I'm not a Larry), but it would have probably worked out better in the long run.
I'm sorry, but unless Larry was mentally undeveloped or something there really isn't any justification for his actions in my mind and I find it hard to feel any sympathy for him despite choosing the option to try and save him every time.
It's horrible, but unavoidable. I mean, considering that my group just ate Mark, and then saw him drag his legless body downstairs to get help, I think that killing Larry in front of them should be a little less disturbing.
I empathize with both Lily and Clem, but I can't afford to entertain emotions and feelings when our safety is directly in jeopardy. I'll do what I have to in order to keep everyone who is willing to stay with me alive, and deal with the fall out later.
No Larry, you aint going out the easy way! *pounds on Larry's chest* Live you bastard! *pounds on Larry's chest* Live so that you can die screaming! *pounds on Larry's chest* Don't you dare cheat me out of my retribution! *SCRUNCH!* ..... Damnit Kenny, i love you mate, but... you just screwed me out of a very satisfying experience....
source? What do you mean by crime of passion? Also my understanding is CPR is supposed to be used only when the person's heart stops and only buys time for other procedures. CPR does not revive heart attack victims.
Yes I get where you're coming from, but let's not forget that Lily didn't eat her dad but instead Mark (and from what I saw she could of cares less about him) and Clem's 8 so either way that event will screw her up, eating Mark or not. Not to mention the fact that Mark was still alive when they saw him. Oh and I'd think watching someone crawl towards you asking for help with no legs wouldn't be as bad as watching a guy you belive is still alive get his head smashed in because one guy thinks he may turn into a walker, and I'd be willing to get watching those events happen in that order would be even worse.
Oh and about the whole emotion thing, would you want one of your group to go mad and kill everyone because of a series of events that happened to them? Because I sure as hell wouldn't. Entertaining emotions may not seem like a good idea, but in a zombie infested world you should be more then willing to otherwise you could be on the wrong end of an axe head.
I'm not heartless - I look after the kids, I console people - I didn't even judge Lily or Larry for her Dad's behavior in the drugstore. Heck, I didn't even kill the St. John brothers (the magnificent bastards that THEY are).
That is why I said "direct" threats to the safety of the group deserve my prompt attention over anyone's emotional needs (including my own). Lily isn't going to care that I tried to help her save her Dad if he turns into a Walker (and I'm sorry, there is good evidence to assume that Larry is indeed not coming back, and the only evidence contrary having the player resort to meta-gaming). I'm going to make the choice to protect Clem, and then hopefully when we are safe again, answer any of her questions and explain what I did to the best of my abilities. Besides, how much more terrifying would it have been to have Larry turn into a Walker while we are trapped in that Meat Locker?
And I understand we want to limit emotional damage as much as we possibly can, but again, I'm going to have an easier time explaining to Clem why I chose to kill Larry than I am explaining to her why those people fed us a member of our own group (regardless of whether or not SHE ate him, which in my playthrough, she didn't).
See my first post on this thread for why I won't lose any sleep over my choice. (EDIT: It's about midway down page four)
And I don't think of it as choosing to kill him - rather, with the information I have available, I consider that I've decided that he CAN'T be saved. So instead of wasting my time continuing with CPR (which, at the time of the decision, has been going on for over a full minute with no results), I help Kenny by moving Lily away so that Larry can be stopped from coming back as a walker.
thank you!!!
End of argument. And did everyone forget that Larry tried to kill Lee and Duck in episode 1?
You can't say Lee would have "handled" a zombified Larry with certainty. How would you know that? Realistically a 6'4'' 300lb zombie in close quarters would be fatal scenario. Plus Larry was probably dead. He seemingly had a heart attack and was NOT breathing. If you're not breathing, you're pretty much dead.
So true. Did everyone also forget that it was Kenny who saved Lee in the first episode? Even if you were not on Kenny's side in episode 1, he would have still saved you.
In hindsight the choices are obviously easier because you already know what happened. You're not considering the reality of their situation. Larry had a heart attack and everyone was practically panicking. Knowing how quickly someone could change, the situation required an immediate response. No way you could realistically wait for someone to turn before you killed them.
Not to mention he doesn't need to jump to his feet when you and Lily are kneeling next to him trying to save his life. You can't perform CPR from a "safe distance", and being within grabbing distance puts you at risk.
Well you had every right to make your own choice - the beauty of this game.
My choice was to kill Larry (in the minority lol). I regret how it went down but I believe it was the right choice. I didn't want to take a chance on anyone getting infected.