I'm not sure that the car had been recently abandoned. I think the following happened:
-The passangers of the car had to stop and leave car immediately. They left the doors open, the lights on, and left the engine running. I got no clue what was the cause to stop and leave the car, but with the engine running the battery won't die until there's fuel in the tank. The group found the car a couple of hours after the engine run out of fuel but it could have been even a day earlier when the car had been abandoned...
That is a good point, if the car was left with fuel still in the tank and left running this would allow for the batter to stay alive for a significantly longer amount of time (depending on how much fuel was left).
I'm not sure that the car had been recently abandoned. I think the following happened:
-The passangers of the car had to stop and leave car immediately. They left the doors open, the lights on, and left the engine running. I got no clue what was the cause to stop and leave the car, but with the engine running the battery won't die until there's fuel in the tank. The group found the car a couple of hours after the engine run out of fuel but it could have been even a day earlier when the car had been abandoned.
The reason for emergency stop of the car could'nt have been a bandit ambush, it's more likely that walkers forced them to stop somehow. Human attackers wouldn't left a car full with food and supplies. Against the zombie-attack theory: no blood and other hints of fighting against walkers.
But why would someone leave their car to escape from zombies on foot if the car still had fuel? It's not as though it was stuck in mud or something, and I find it sort of hard to believe that anyone would 'break for zombies' at least not three months after the outbreak was well underway.
But why would someone leave their car to escape from zombies on foot if the car still had fuel? It's not as though it was stuck in mud or something, and I find it sort of hard to believe that anyone would 'break for zombies' at least not three months after the outbreak was well underway.
There could be other issues with the car that we don't know about, or maybe they stopped to try to help someone else and ended up getting killed.
For all honesty though, that car hasn't been there for more than a few hours, (maybe four hours, tops). It wasn't there when we first walked to the St. John's Farm. There's still plenty of indication that the car was permanently abandoned (either intentionally, or the people who planned on coming back had something horrible happen to them).
For all honesty though, that car hasn't been there for more than a few hours, (maybe four hours, tops). It wasn't there when we first walked to the St. John's Farm. There's still plenty of indication that the car was permanently abandoned (either intentionally, or the people who planned on coming back had something horrible happen to them).
The open car door and keys in the ignition screams unintentionally abandoned to me.
As for the indications that the abandonment was permanent, I'm not really sure what you're referring to. As you say, the car couldn't have been there for more than a few hours and there is no sign of violence or a struggle.
The open car door and keys in the ignition screams unintentionally abandoned to me.
As for the indications that the abandonment was permanent, I'm not really sure what you're referring to. As you say, the car couldn't have been there for more than a few hours and there is no sign of violence or a struggle.
Not necessarily unintentional, but I think it is more likely than not that the owner of the car had to leave in a hurry.
If that was the case, then they most likely are not coming back - they had no reason to abandon the car if it was still drivable. For any dangerous situation they might have been in, it would have then been safer to stay in the car and try to drive away from the danger. If they fled the car and survived the danger, then they probably would have tried to make it back to the car to secure it and their provisions. They likely wouldn't have left it be long enough for the car to run completely out of gas.
Let's consider that they did leave in an emergency, and did come back a long time afterwards, and realized the car was out of gas. Well, then we can assume that they purposefully abandoned the car and whatever was left in it. Either way, I believe the car was permanently abandoned.
If that was the case, then they most likely are not coming back - they had no reason to abandon the car if it was still drivable. For any dangerous situation they might have been in, it would have then been safer to stay in the car and try to drive away from the danger. If they fled the car and survived the danger, then they probably would have tried to make it back to the car to secure it and their provisions. They likely wouldn't have left it be long enough for the car to run completely out of gas.
I definitely agree with you that if the car had still be drivable, they wouldn't have abandoned it in the event of an emergency.
What I'm unsure about is this: If the car's owner(s) did indeed flee from the car to survive a sudden danger, how certain can we really be that they aren't still in the process of escaping danger or otherwise engaged so as to not yet have the opportunity to reclaim their supplies?
I guess what I'm getting at is that four hours (at maximum) seems like an inadequate window of time to declare the car and its contents permanently abandoned either by the choice or death of the owner(s).
I definitely agree with you that if the car had still be drivable, they wouldn't have abandoned it in the event of an emergency.
What I'm unsure about is this: If the car's owner(s) did indeed flee from the car to survive a sudden danger, how certain can we really be that they aren't still in the process of escaping danger or otherwise engaged so as to not yet have the opportunity to reclaim their supplies?
I guess what I'm getting at is that four hours (at maximum) seems like an inadequate window of time to declare the car and its contents permanently abandoned either by the choice or death of the owner(s).
I said four hours based on my estimate of how long I think we were at the farm, but it could possibly be longer. Plus, pick a direction, and walk at a moderate pace for a few hours - people can easily cover 6-8 miles in that amount of time. What kind of danger would you be escaping that you would need to travel more than a mile for? It's possible that they could be lost, but at that point, am I going to leave all of those supplies there, and risk the bandits finding them before the owners do? I don't think it's such a bad choice to take the supplies and food.
Also, that is why I am more under the impression that the owner of the car might have stopped to help someone, and in turn got eaten. I find it unlikely that the car would have sat so long as to run out of gas, but the owner is trying to make their way back. They are long gone (either far away, or dead).
Well this car's owner could had similar fate like the one in comics chapter 51. For those who haven't read the comics, car owner just left the car full of suplies and fuel because he was alone and didn't wanted to continue live so he just suicided into zombies.
I think Jolene was picking off bandits one by one and she became so much of a threat the bandits needed the st john boys to get rid of them. the st johns figured theyd turn on the fence and trap lee and mark or kill them if they died then they could blame the bandits and later use the bandits to subdue the rest of lees team but if they survived they could pretend to hunt down the bandits and instead hunt down the person killing bandits like crazy
I'm not sure that the car had been recently abandoned. I think the following happened:
-The passangers of the car had to stop and leave car immediately. They left the doors open, the lights on, and left the engine running. I got no clue what was the cause to stop and leave the car, but with the engine running the battery won't die until there's fuel in the tank. The group found the car a couple of hours after the engine run out of fuel but it could have been even a day earlier when the car had been abandoned.
The reason for emergency stop of the car could'nt have been a bandit ambush, it's more likely that walkers forced them to stop somehow. Human attackers wouldn't left a car full with food and supplies. Against the zombie-attack theory: no blood and other hints of fighting against walkers.
I think the car belonged to Jolene based on the clues discovered by Lee at her camp. There were a lot of empty food boxes and Lee pointed out that the shopping cart was used to move a lot of supplies. Jolene must have tried to escape from the bandits after some double cross occured. Her and her daughter loaded up the car with the camp supplies and took off. They were intercepted on the dirt road where the car was later found by the bandits. Jolene went one way and her daughter the other way. That's why both doors are open and the car abandoned in a hurry. The bandits chased after them without looking in the car.
Jolene must have known what became of her daughter becuase of what was on the video recorder when the bandits caught up with her back at the camp.
Lee did not loot he car at the end of episode 2. I think the bandits are going to comb the area looking for who stole the food from Jolene's car and that distinctive hoodie would give away that it was Lee's group once a bandit saw Clem wearing it. I guess we'll find out next episode.
I think the car belonged to Jolene based on the clues discovered by Lee at her camp. There were a lot of empty food boxes and Lee pointed out that the shopping cart was used to move a lot of supplies. Jolene must have tried to escape from the bandits after some double cross occured. Her and her daughter loaded up the car with the camp supplies and took off. They were intercepted on the dirt road where the car was later found by the bandits. Jolene went one way and her daughter the other way. That's why both doors are open and the car abandoned in a hurry. The bandits chased after them without looking in the car.
Jolene must have known what became of her daughter becuase of what was on the video recorder when the bandits caught up with her back at the camp.
Lee did not loot he car at the end of episode 2. I think the bandits are going to comb the area looking for who stole the food from Jolene's car and that distinctive hoodie would give away that it was Lee's group once a bandit saw Clem wearing it. I guess we'll find out next episode.
I don't think so. I think she has been sabotaging the bandits, using the shopping cart to take supplies from the bandits, and then framing the Brothers - that's why they come to attack the farm (they think that the Brother's screwed them over in their deal to provide them with food). We know she is specifically pitting them against each other to keep Clementine safe (at least, that's what I gathered from her video).
Also, that car has not been there for more than a day. Jolene's daughter was taken quite awhile ago, long enough for her to go crazy and then plot to take Clementine as her daughter.
I said four hours based on my estimate of how long I think we were at the farm, but it could possibly be longer. Plus, pick a direction, and walk at a moderate pace for a few hours - people can easily cover 6-8 miles in that amount of time. What kind of danger would you be escaping that you would need to travel more than a mile for? It's possible that they could be lost, but at that point, am I going to leave all of those supplies there, and risk the bandits finding them before the owners do? I don't think it's such a bad choice to take the supplies and food.
Well they might escape a couple walkers only to run into a few more and end up playing a game of hide-and seek-all night.
Also what if the owner did something like run a mile out then found some form of refuge, like climbing a tree. The walkers chasing them would hang out for awhile certainly, but if they had no luck they might get drawn away by other sounds. Bandits, for example.
Granted these are both extremely hypothetical examples, but they are still possible.
Also I totally agree about taking the supplies. The group really needs them, and a what if situation isn't nearly enough justification to leave them behind (especially when the woods are apparently crawling with bandits who will take them without a second thought).
All I'm saying is that this decision may not as 'done' as some people think it is.
Well they might escape a couple walkers only to run into a few more and end up playing a game of hide-and seek-all night.
Also what if the owner did something like run a mile out then found some form of refuge, like climbing a tree. The walkers chasing them would hang out for awhile certainly, but if they had no luck they might get drawn away by other sounds. Bandits, for example.
Granted these are both extremely hypothetical examples, but they are still possible.
Also I totally agree about taking the supplies. The group really needs them, and a what if situation isn't nearly enough justification to leave them behind (especially when the woods are apparently crawling with bandits who will take them without a second thought).
All I'm save is that this decision may not as 'done' as some people think it is.
I hope not, especially as the supplies get taken either way.
It will be interesting to see what the differences are between a Lee who agreed with taking the food, and a Lee who didn't.
I hope not, especially as the supplies get taken either way.
It will be interesting to see what the differences are between a Lee who agreed with taking the food, and a Lee who didn't.
I'm not sure because I never refused to take the food, but if Lee say 'Don't take this stuff' I think the rest of the group will take it anyway but Clementine won't get the Brooklyn sweatshirt.
That would make sense because it's sort of an uncommon item to find floating around Georgia, and thus would be much better for identification than a can of soup or whatever.
Anyway I'm sorta hoping it does happen, because I want to see how Lee navigates such an awkward conversation.
Wait, so the rest of the group takes the food either way? In that case, I see no point in making Clem question your morals.
I thought about that too, but it felt a little two-faced. Lee sits on a high horse and condemns other for taking the supplies, but still gets to reap the benefits of their actions.
Also it could be argued that in this brave new world Clem needs to understand that sometimes morality has to be bent for the sake of survival, even if it upsets her. Granted that notion opens up a huge can of worms which I'm not trying to get into here. However if your Lee was of that mind set, then he would be the best person to teach her that lesson.
I don't think so. I think she has been sabotaging the bandits, using the shopping cart to take supplies from the bandits, and then framing the Brothers - that's why they come to attack the farm (they think that the Brother's screwed them over in their deal to provide them with food). We know she is specifically pitting them against each other to keep Clementine safe (at least, that's what I gathered from her video).
Also, that car has not been there for more than a day. Jolene's daughter was taken quite awhile ago, long enough for her to go crazy and then plot to take Clementine as her daughter.
I think you're right. The hoodie sent me off on a tanget. It may still have been Jolene's car but she was not driving it. Whoever was dring it did so that same day after the sun went down. We didn't see the car on the way to the farm and the car lights were on.
Having read all that, I still think it may have been a car Jolene "borrowed". I think she intended to take Clem (had her hat waiting for her and everything) and needed supplies and that the hoodie in the car was intended for Clem all along. I think being a bit of a wingnut and not really caring about the car, she left it running with the door open while she went to get the cart from her camp to haul supplies. The car ran out of gas in the meantime and the headlights could have been daytime running lights. Consider the timeline, the game starts and Lee is handing out afternoon rations and ends just after dinner, it's reasonable to assume the car battery lasted that long. Jolene would have arrived with the car after the second group arrived at the dairy to make it to her camp while Lee and Danny were there, which would be why no one saw the car on the way to the dairy.
Having read all that, I still think it may have been a car Jolene "borrowed". I think she intended to take Clem (had her hat waiting for her and everything) and needed supplies and that the hoodie in the car was intended for Clem all along. I think being a bit of a wingnut and not really caring about the car, she left it running with the door open while she went to get the cart from her camp to haul supplies. The car ran out of gas in the meantime and the headlights could have been daytime running lights. Consider the timeline, the game starts and Lee is handing out afternoon rations and ends just after dinner, it's reasonable to assume the car battery lasted that long. Jolene would have arrived with the car after the second group arrived at the dairy to make it to her camp while Lee and Danny were there, which would be why no one saw the car on the way to the dairy.
If this is the case, there won't be any direct punishment for looting the car. Lee will know that the supplies belonged to the woman in the woods who got killed.
Jolene went through a lot. She lost her daughter, is living out in the open (which puts her under constant danger), and rape was also implied. Not entirely sure how she got involved with the brothers - maybe she saw them kill for food.
That would be why Danny said "What a waste" after killing her; tainted meat. I wonder though, if you destroy the brain, the "meat" doesn't turn, would it still be tainted?
Mmmm... good point. Maybe they like meat as fresh as it could possibly be - from a live prey if necessary, to ensure the meat is still good?
In any case, I can't help but wonder why they didn't hunt her down earlier. Danny surely seemed to be familiar with her camp. Maybe he and Andy already picked off her friends one by one.
Having read all that, I still think it may have been a car Jolene "borrowed". I think she intended to take Clem (had her hat waiting for her and everything) and needed supplies and that the hoodie in the car was intended for Clem all along. I think being a bit of a wingnut and not really caring about the car, she left it running with the door open while she went to get the cart from her camp to haul supplies. The car ran out of gas in the meantime and the headlights could have been daytime running lights. Consider the timeline, the game starts and Lee is handing out afternoon rations and ends just after dinner, it's reasonable to assume the car battery lasted that long. Jolene would have arrived with the car after the second group arrived at the dairy to make it to her camp while Lee and Danny were there, which would be why no one saw the car on the way to the dairy.
Maybe the car is part of the drama going on between Bart, Jake and Linda. Let's say we saw Bart kill Jake on the way to the farm. Linda, thinking bart is coming for her next, tries to get away with Jolene's daughter and the camp supplies. Linda is intecepted by Bart. Linda and Jolene's daughter escape through the passenger side door into the woods. Bart gives chase and kills them both. Bart then returns to the car only to find it looted. He then follows the numerous tracks left by eight people back to a motel near town.....
Jolene went through a lot. She lost her daughter, is living out in the open (which puts her under constant danger), and rape was also implied. Not entirely sure how she got involved with the brothers - maybe she saw them kill for food.
Surprising that they didn't eat her too, really.
She's supposed to be really hard to kill, the camera shows her taking on at least two bandits and she says she killed more after they took her daughter, and she wouldn't confront two people with rifles if she didn't think she could win? But yeah i don't think she was trying to setup the brother because she says as long as the bandits focus on the dairy, Clem will be safe..
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That is a good point, if the car was left with fuel still in the tank and left running this would allow for the batter to stay alive for a significantly longer amount of time (depending on how much fuel was left).
But why would someone leave their car to escape from zombies on foot if the car still had fuel? It's not as though it was stuck in mud or something, and I find it sort of hard to believe that anyone would 'break for zombies' at least not three months after the outbreak was well underway.
There could be other issues with the car that we don't know about, or maybe they stopped to try to help someone else and ended up getting killed.
For all honesty though, that car hasn't been there for more than a few hours, (maybe four hours, tops). It wasn't there when we first walked to the St. John's Farm. There's still plenty of indication that the car was permanently abandoned (either intentionally, or the people who planned on coming back had something horrible happen to them).
I'm with you bro. I knew them shady ass hillbillies, weren't right.
he's covered wars ya know
The open car door and keys in the ignition screams unintentionally abandoned to me.
As for the indications that the abandonment was permanent, I'm not really sure what you're referring to. As you say, the car couldn't have been there for more than a few hours and there is no sign of violence or a struggle.
Not necessarily unintentional, but I think it is more likely than not that the owner of the car had to leave in a hurry.
If that was the case, then they most likely are not coming back - they had no reason to abandon the car if it was still drivable. For any dangerous situation they might have been in, it would have then been safer to stay in the car and try to drive away from the danger. If they fled the car and survived the danger, then they probably would have tried to make it back to the car to secure it and their provisions. They likely wouldn't have left it be long enough for the car to run completely out of gas.
Let's consider that they did leave in an emergency, and did come back a long time afterwards, and realized the car was out of gas. Well, then we can assume that they purposefully abandoned the car and whatever was left in it. Either way, I believe the car was permanently abandoned.
I definitely agree with you that if the car had still be drivable, they wouldn't have abandoned it in the event of an emergency.
What I'm unsure about is this: If the car's owner(s) did indeed flee from the car to survive a sudden danger, how certain can we really be that they aren't still in the process of escaping danger or otherwise engaged so as to not yet have the opportunity to reclaim their supplies?
I guess what I'm getting at is that four hours (at maximum) seems like an inadequate window of time to declare the car and its contents permanently abandoned either by the choice or death of the owner(s).
I said four hours based on my estimate of how long I think we were at the farm, but it could possibly be longer. Plus, pick a direction, and walk at a moderate pace for a few hours - people can easily cover 6-8 miles in that amount of time. What kind of danger would you be escaping that you would need to travel more than a mile for? It's possible that they could be lost, but at that point, am I going to leave all of those supplies there, and risk the bandits finding them before the owners do? I don't think it's such a bad choice to take the supplies and food.
Also, that is why I am more under the impression that the owner of the car might have stopped to help someone, and in turn got eaten. I find it unlikely that the car would have sat so long as to run out of gas, but the owner is trying to make their way back. They are long gone (either far away, or dead).
I think the car belonged to Jolene based on the clues discovered by Lee at her camp. There were a lot of empty food boxes and Lee pointed out that the shopping cart was used to move a lot of supplies. Jolene must have tried to escape from the bandits after some double cross occured. Her and her daughter loaded up the car with the camp supplies and took off. They were intercepted on the dirt road where the car was later found by the bandits. Jolene went one way and her daughter the other way. That's why both doors are open and the car abandoned in a hurry. The bandits chased after them without looking in the car.
Jolene must have known what became of her daughter becuase of what was on the video recorder when the bandits caught up with her back at the camp.
Lee did not loot he car at the end of episode 2. I think the bandits are going to comb the area looking for who stole the food from Jolene's car and that distinctive hoodie would give away that it was Lee's group once a bandit saw Clem wearing it. I guess we'll find out next episode.
I don't think so. I think she has been sabotaging the bandits, using the shopping cart to take supplies from the bandits, and then framing the Brothers - that's why they come to attack the farm (they think that the Brother's screwed them over in their deal to provide them with food). We know she is specifically pitting them against each other to keep Clementine safe (at least, that's what I gathered from her video).
Also, that car has not been there for more than a day. Jolene's daughter was taken quite awhile ago, long enough for her to go crazy and then plot to take Clementine as her daughter.
Well they might escape a couple walkers only to run into a few more and end up playing a game of hide-and seek-all night.
Also what if the owner did something like run a mile out then found some form of refuge, like climbing a tree. The walkers chasing them would hang out for awhile certainly, but if they had no luck they might get drawn away by other sounds. Bandits, for example.
Granted these are both extremely hypothetical examples, but they are still possible.
Also I totally agree about taking the supplies. The group really needs them, and a what if situation isn't nearly enough justification to leave them behind (especially when the woods are apparently crawling with bandits who will take them without a second thought).
All I'm saying is that this decision may not as 'done' as some people think it is.
I hope not, especially as the supplies get taken either way.
It will be interesting to see what the differences are between a Lee who agreed with taking the food, and a Lee who didn't.
Lee: Uh me and clem didn't
Survivor: Then you two get a pass
Lee: Uh me and clem didn't
Survivor: Then you two get a pass
I'm not sure because I never refused to take the food, but if Lee say 'Don't take this stuff' I think the rest of the group will take it anyway but Clementine won't get the Brooklyn sweatshirt.
That would make sense because it's sort of an uncommon item to find floating around Georgia, and thus would be much better for identification than a can of soup or whatever.
Anyway I'm sorta hoping it does happen, because I want to see how Lee navigates such an awkward conversation.
Best bet: Silence
I thought about that too, but it felt a little two-faced. Lee sits on a high horse and condemns other for taking the supplies, but still gets to reap the benefits of their actions.
Also it could be argued that in this brave new world Clem needs to understand that sometimes morality has to be bent for the sake of survival, even if it upsets her. Granted that notion opens up a huge can of worms which I'm not trying to get into here. However if your Lee was of that mind set, then he would be the best person to teach her that lesson.
my kenny siding killed larry killed the st. johns and stole.
then my fuck kenny playthrough has me sided with lily and larry all the time but stealing the food
I think you're right. The hoodie sent me off on a tanget. It may still have been Jolene's car but she was not driving it. Whoever was dring it did so that same day after the sun went down. We didn't see the car on the way to the farm and the car lights were on.
If this is the case, there won't be any direct punishment for looting the car. Lee will know that the supplies belonged to the woman in the woods who got killed.
no one messes with clementine.
no one.
Agree with you on the Clementine part but Jolene had a reason to why she was crazy.
Surprising that they didn't eat her too, really.
That would be why Danny said "What a waste" after killing her; tainted meat. I wonder though, if you destroy the brain, the "meat" doesn't turn, would it still be tainted?
In any case, I can't help but wonder why they didn't hunt her down earlier. Danny surely seemed to be familiar with her camp. Maybe he and Andy already picked off her friends one by one.
Maybe the car is part of the drama going on between Bart, Jake and Linda. Let's say we saw Bart kill Jake on the way to the farm. Linda, thinking bart is coming for her next, tries to get away with Jolene's daughter and the camp supplies. Linda is intecepted by Bart. Linda and Jolene's daughter escape through the passenger side door into the woods. Bart gives chase and kills them both. Bart then returns to the car only to find it looted. He then follows the numerous tracks left by eight people back to a motel near town.....
She's supposed to be really hard to kill, the camera shows her taking on at least two bandits and she says she killed more after they took her daughter, and she wouldn't confront two people with rifles if she didn't think she could win? But yeah i don't think she was trying to setup the brother because she says as long as the bandits focus on the dairy, Clem will be safe..
that't for new character at new episode.. maybe