Bags of Hammers The Duck Support Group
OK its high time Duck gets his own support group! I mean surely I'm not the only one who thinks Duck is awesome and should live..am I?
Duck seems to me like the kind of kid who may be a card short of a full deck but has a heart of gold. I'd like to see Clem take him under her wing so to speak. Clem should protect Duck and teach him things ya know, kinda like a big sister would do!:D
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Duck seems to me like the kind of kid who may be a card short of a full deck but has a heart of gold. I'd like to see Clem take him under her wing so to speak. Clem should protect Duck and teach him things ya know, kinda like a big sister would do!:D
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whatever Hellocuthulu's siggie is and the Anti Clem society
There's plenty of Pro Duck Support Groups
Besides, the poor kid has the worst luck.
I know these characters are just computer generated, but come on.
hey mr killjoy google 'roleplay'
Milo, make a will save to resist Killjoy's petrifying gaze.
There is difference between roleplaying and pretending to be Dwarf or something else in the some magical world and making the cult who worships the character while calling it roleplaying.
Heck one of greatest RPG series called Final Fantasy exists thanks to Tabletop RPG games.
But I sided with Kenny to protect him from Larry in episode 1, fed him an energy bar and fed him again in episode 2. Will be interesting to see what whacky antics he'll get upto in episode 3. Probably have to save him from bandits, which might explain why he seemed catatonic in the episode 3 preview.
OR and this is a shot in the dark. Maybe he's catatonic because he realized he ate a person
I'm just saying, a humanity descended from the Short Bus Kid won't make it. Gotta be Pragmatic about this. :cool:
haterz gonna h8, long live king duck!!
There is a BIG difference between: Not getting the purse for Carley and taking the purse away from her in the first place... (What duck did was in line with the latter, he put Shawn in the position to die. Clem didn't put Carley and Doug in that position.) Could Clem even reach the purse?.. If she could then it was Duck that probably put it there in the first place, he was probably digging through it looking for some lipstick to eat.
Also, Clementine IS NOT Dead Weight. She saves you twice in episode 1, and she saves everyone in episode 2 by opening the meat locker.
No, he's right, it's more than a bit creepy.
I find it creepier that there are a handful of people on here that would like to see a child die for the sole purpose of him not being "smart".
Yeah, I find removing a detriment to the group and the Human Race's Gene pool, who just happens to be a 10 year old boy, during a survival situation, less creepy than borderline paedo worship of said child... Just saying.
Killing a fictional character is, by it's nature, less creepy than fetishizing it...
Duck: I ate a dude and I liked it,
the taste of his cherry nailgloss.
I ate a dude just to try it,
I hope my parents don't mind it.
It felt so wrong,
it felt so right.
Don't mean I like the St Johns tonight.
I ate a dude and I liked it (I liked it).
That's diminishing what you are actually advocating, while misrepresenting the people on this thread.
Having a "favorite" character in a story, be it a child, zombie, WHATEVER is the purpose of these support threads. Most of what we say is good natured, meant to poke fun at the character's identity, and the fact that we like them above all other characters. No one here has "Duck" or "Clementine" shrines in their house. We just respect the writer's ability to make a fictional character that we can relate to.
I think it takes much more "creepiness" to imagine wanting a CHILD dead, even if it is a fictional child. I think it's fine to say you don't like the kid, whatever, but promoting his death because of his supposed lack of intelligence? That's quite telling.
Whose twisting things now? I'm pretty sure I had three reasons up there.
I wouldn't argue it's ruthless. But there's a lot more to it. He's a threat. He's already caused the death of one person, how much longer until he traps Clementine under a tractor? What if he grows up and has kids of his own? He's clearly mentally handicapped, his genetic line is a burden on the human species trying to survive. Unlike Clementine, whose helpful and saved you on multiple occasions by episode 2, He's dead weight and a drain on resources.
Name a single positive thing Duck has done, name all of the Pros for keeping him in the group and then all of the Cons... It's a survival situation, and that means a lot of these "morals" you hold on to are thrown out the window for the sake of survival.
Duck being gone increases the group, (and due to genetics) humanities chance to survive the Zombie Apocalypse. It's Purely Logical. The fact he's annoying just makes the Tough Choice and easier one to make. :cool:
Actually, when I quoted that, you DIDN'T have any reasons up there.:p
And way to be melodramatic. Duck may not be smart, but he's also just a kid. Clementine I believe is the exception to the rule, and as a result she suffers this burden of losing her innocence far before her time. I personally believe that, were the apocalypse to actually happen, more young kids would tend to behave like Duck as opposed to Clementine. It's more of a cultural thing than one of intelligence (longer life spans attributing to children maturing slower than when the average human life was only about 40 years), heck, for that matter, I think a lot of sixteen year olds would behave less maturely than Clementine (just look at Ben!). So, for gosh sakes, it's only been three months since the end of the world started! At least give the children a chance to "grow up" (both mentally AND physically) before you start to judge them based on their "merits" to the group.
Besides, we could apply your harsh logic to every member of the group, and from a staunch "survival" point of view, every single one of them would have to go. Everyone makes mistakes. However, they shouldn't be executed just because you think they are a "drag" on your survival. Especially because no one is forcing you to stay with them in the first place. If you really thought that another member of the group you were in was going to get you killed, then leave that group. Simple, easy, you upped your survival chances and nobody else has to die. Even the people here who thought they were honestly going to let Larry, the man you tries to murder you, die no matter what, tried to save his life, because they saw MERIT in the life of another human being. So advocating the death of Duck, but not anybody else who has put your life directly in danger (including Clem, because as capable as she is, you've still had to rescue her plenty of times) is a bit hypocritical.
"Originally Posted by Death689God View Post
He killed my bromance with Shawn, he annoyed a distraught Clem-Clem, and He's too Dumb to Live... It's pretty easy to see why he's so hated. XD" This post, not the most recent one you replied to.
No, you don't get it, Duck isn't average kid stupid. he clearly is riding the Short Bus, he kinda seems like he has Aspergers. Also, you're wrong on longer lifespans being children growing up slower. It's because of medical care and better standards of living, which is similarly the reason we're taller as well. (A 5'8 Man would be tall by 600 years ago's standards.)
Actually, by my cold Logic, only Kenny, Duck, and Larry would have to go.
PS: I saved Lary's life because I wasn't going to let another one of my people die. Doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer him as Zombie Bait if another Sadistic Doug/Carley type deal went down... Which is what I'm talking about... Duck's going the first chance I can get.
Those reasons are worse than the ones that I mistook for your reasons, so you're not really helping your case.
And you're also mistaking physical growth for mental and cultural growth. In all actuality, most children reach "physical maturity" at around the same time as they did since the dawn of time - usually pre-teen through teen years. MENTALLY though, children today have less responsibility and less exposure to "danger" and "reality" than children of previous generations. For example, most people would agree that you aren't really mentally prepared for marriage and children until you are AT LEAST in your twenties (there are always exceptions, but this is the general idea, no?). Ancient Egyptians used to get married by the time they were 12, some earlier than that, and most girls had their first child by the time they were teenagers. This is because they only lived to be about 50-60 years old, and culturally, the more children you had, the better chance you had that one would survive long enough to have children of it's own. Nowadays, in western culture, the average lifespan is pushing 80-100 years, and with the ability to artificially compensate for lack of fertility, the need to have children at such a young age isn't necessary. The need for children to accept adult responsibilities has been adjusted accordingly.
This is disgusting. Please don't have children, if you really feel this way. Better yet, volunteer to work with children who really are handicapped, so at least you will be able to tell the difference of someone who is living with a disability.
Let's try not to confuse innocence for lack of intelligence.
Which is exactly the kind of environment Clementine and Duck are growing up in. Once again, it's the Apocalypse.
Don't mistake me, I'm not saying he has a severe case of it, but I know someone with a mild case and Duck reminds me of this person. And if you're curious, yes, if the Apocalypse came this person would be low on my list of priorities.
Nice that you got your priority's right. I mean, helping people because they are people? So last year. Now it's all about absolute survival at all costs, and anyone who can't help quite as much doesn't deserve to live. :rolleyes:
I wonder if you'd keep that sort of Enthusiasm and Morality if you were actually in that situation... Who knows, maybe you would, Zombie Bait.
Cultural changes do not occur overnight. It has been a mere three months since the beginning of the Zombie Apocalypse. Neither Duck nor Clementine were mentally prepared for the end of the world. The best you can hope for is that you can teach them to survive long enough to not need you anymore. Besides, all of your examples as to why Duck should die probably come from episode one, in which there had only been DAYS since the dead began walking, and everyone still held out hope that the Government would be in to help take care of the outbreak soon. By episode two Duck, while still naive, is not shown to be careless in any manner. Naivety is not a trait that you should kill people for, especially children who have an opportunity to grow out of it. Even Clementine exhibits forms of it - not wanting to take the food from the car, for example, or wondering if the St. John's really had to die.
Also, referencing the "short bus" carries the implication that you believe him to be severely impaired, so don't try to make light of the language you use.
Better my life than my morals, in any situation.
Only because he didn't have enough chances. He kept eating despite all of the commotion and stress during the dinner, and even if you explicitly say it's Mark you're eating he still will ask his mom what he ate... If he lives long enough to change my mind, fine, but until I see something useful come from him he's at the bottom of my priority list.
As for Clem-Clem, she's learning... I'm making sure of that.
The short bus comment was more of a simplistic way of stating that I think he's mentally handicapped. Also serves as a bit of Dark Humor about how stupid the kid is.
I live on the edge, my friend, I live on it. :cool:
Depends on the moral, if you ask me.
For example, my moral that children come first. If I have to die to save Clem or Duck, so be it. If it's between saving them or an older member of the group, I will go for them.
Honestly the only Morals I'm keeping are: Honesty, Honor, and Don't Rape.
Can't imagine much else I wouldn't be down for by the time of Apocalypse.
Honor, yet he talks about kicking out kids with Aspergers.
Dark humor isn't really how I'd approach the topic of discussing if a child deserves to live or not.
Also, your decision is dependent upon the observation that Duck will most likely do something to get YOU killed. He doesn't do anything in either episode one or two to suggest that YOU are in any danger from him. Pointing out that he is not as observant as everyone does nothing to prove to me that he is a "danger" to anyone but himself - the only exception being on Herschel's farm, but that was before you were capable of noting his competence. Nobody is asking you to trust your life to Duck, but I think you are being unreasonable in assuming that having him dead up's your chances of living (besides, the kid may end up saving your life - you don't know if he could, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't should the time ever arise).
The potential to threaten your survival lies with everyone in the group. If you truly feel it is all about "number one and that one is me", then I suggest you try to survive on your own. You might feel better that way.
Considering the character is a Game Character, I don't see the issue. I thought blowing Tenpenny of his tower with a land mine in Fallout 3 was hilarious. (Bastard had it coming more than Duck of course.)
It's not me first, it's Clementine First, then the Group. While, yes, the Potential threat is in all of them, this contributes to my priority list. But while others, such as Kenny, Lilly, (formerly)Larry, etc, pose a potential risk... They still have uses. (Even Larry DOES try to save you if you give him the Axe, despite all of the BS) Kenny went Hunting, Lilly's holding down the Fort like it's Nox. But Duck just eats, poops, sleeps, and gets people pinned under tractors. (So far). If that changes, sure, I'll relent to you that your point was valid and that I was too cruel to the kid...
But that remains to be seen.
I get that, as a woman, you're more inclined to protect Duck despite his uselessness. But as a Man, I'm more inclined to keep the group safe for the sake of my own. (In this case Clem-Clem. I play my Canon (First play through) Lee as if he'd have opted out w/o Clem to take care of.)