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  • edited July 2012
    Considering the character is a Game Character, I don't see the issue. I thought blowing Tenpenny of his tower with a land mine in Fallout 3 was hilarious. (Bastard had it coming more than Duck of course.)

    It's not me first, it's Clementine First, then the Group. While, yes, the Potential threat is in all of them, this contributes to my priority list. But while others, such as Kenny, Lilly, (formerly)Larry, etc, pose a potential risk... They still have uses. (Even Larry DOES try to save you if you give him the Axe, despite all of the BS) Kenny went Hunting, Lilly's holding down the Fort like it's Nox. But Duck just eats, poops, sleeps, and gets people pinned under tractors. (So far). If that changes, sure, I'll relent to you that your point was valid and that I was to cruel to the kid...
    But that remains to be seen.

    I get that, as a woman, you're more inclined to protect Duck despite his uselessness. But as a Man, I'm more inclined to keep the group safe for the sake of my own. (In this case Clem-Clem. I play my Canon (First play through) Lee as if he'd have opted out w/o Clem to take care of.)

    First of all, you play the gender card? Really? Yes, being a PARENT gives me more of an attachment to children, but it has nothing to do with my GENDER. Children are important for the survival of the species - apart from having my own, the most I can do is to help the ones that already exist survive into adulthood (it'll be up to Duck to impress a girl enough to actually mate with him, but that's not my decision to make). If we cannot even hold CHILDREN sacred above all else, and turn everything into a number, a statistic, placing survival above all else, then I frankly wouldn't want to live on this planet anymore. So, way to regress philosophical/moral progress back down to a level even some ANIMALS don't resort to.

    Second, as to the underlined comment, this is the exact point everyone is trying to convey to you - IT'S A GAME. There is no need to go around calling people borderline pedos anymore than we should call you a child murderer. That was my original point - a satirical view on the judgement you passed onto US over a video game.
  • edited July 2012
    I try to play the game and react like I think I would in a real life disaster. That means the kids come first (regardless of IQ) Elderly second ( thats why I fed Larry at the Motor Inn) and last but definitely not least the women, remember adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it!:D
  • edited July 2012
    First of all, you play the gender card? Really? Yes, being a PARENT gives me more of an attachment to children, but it has nothing to do with my GENDER. Children are important for the survival of the species - apart from having my own, the most I can do is to help the ones that already exist survive into adulthood (it'll be up to Duck to impress a girl enough to actually mate with him, but that's not my decision to make). If we cannot even hold CHILDREN sacred above all else, and turn everything into a number, a statistic, placing survival above all else, then I frankly wouldn't want to live on this planet anymore. So, way to regress philosophical/moral progress back down to a level even some ANIMALS don't resort to.

    Second, as to the underlined comment, this is the exact point everyone is trying to convey to you - IT'S A GAME. There is no need to go around calling people borderline pedos anymore than we should call you a child murderer. That was my original point - a satirical view on the judgement you passed onto US over a video game.

    The fact you're a woman is a factor, you're biologically wired differently. Personally, I treat Clem like a real daughter. (Always wanted one, she's just like I'd want my daughter to be) Which is, actually, another reason I have Duck so low on my priorities. Let's face it, if they reach that age It's her and Duck... Duck is NOT going to "Mate" with Clem-Clem, in the words of TV Hershel "no man's good enough for your daughter, until they are". Duck's not there yet, not by a long shot. Better he be offed and we find Clem-Clem a new playmate.

    Sorry, but killing a kid is more along the lines of killing in general. The Child Worship stuff it is Pedo like, it makes me nervous because (even if it is a game) that sort of fascination with a child can't be healthy. Especially if you consider most of these people are men... I get that it's best Pedophiles fantasize about cartoon drawings and animated kids rather than victimize real children, but Clem and Duck have voice actors it's.. Just not right.

    Maybe half, or (and I'm in a really optimistic mood right now) most of them aren't Paedos... But if you don't think a good portion of them aren't, just trying to blend in with this fan club crap then...
    Besides, does it strike no one odd that the Kenny, Carly, Doug, Lilly groups aren't as vocal or memetastic?.. It just doesn't feel right.
  • edited July 2012
    ozzmann wrote: »
    I try to play the game and react like I think I would in a real life disaster. That means the kids come first (regardless of IQ) Elderly second ( thats why I fed Larry at the Motor Inn) and last but definitely not least the women, remember adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it!:D

    Here's my approach: (Repost from another thread)

    Put the group first. (Except when it comes to Clementine.) What this means is making logical choices that increase the survivability of the Group. Even if that means being "monsters that came out of the woods" to ruin some other persons life. (Final hard choice of episode 2) However, my Lee remembers the reason the group matters to him: Clementine.

    Prioritize the Women. In the long term, if Humanity is to survive, it will need future generations. And it'll come faster, and safer if there are more women to men. With complications that come with child birth, death of the mother during labor is a realistic problem. The more women, the safer and more secure the future of your Tribe, so to speak.

    Prioritize the Useful. If you're going to survive in this world, you need to make sure to take care of the more reliable, courageous, and skilled members of your group. (Which is the biggest issue my Character has with Kenny. He's only reliable if he's attached to you somehow... It's also my characters problem with his Son and Larry, Duck got Shane Killed by being Stupid and Larry tried to kill you.)

    Keep the Peace when possible. Try reasoning and Diplomacy when possible, when it comes to interactions among your group at least. Reserve drastic measures for last, or when it will be more detrimental to the group to "Sit on the Fence".

    DO NOT KILL YOUR OWN! This is something my Lee's only added after the events on the Dairy Farm... He tried to save Larry, a man he thinks the group would be better off without, because of it. And I was quick enough to see Larry start to come back to us, just before Kenny dropped the salt lick, firmly planting this idea in his mind.

    Remove Outside Threats. Jolene, The Brothers and their Momma, any Bandits that come along down the road... This is for them, this keeps the group safe. Even if it's hard to do with Clementine watching (Danny), even if you feel Pity (Andy after telling him his brother and mother are dead) or Sympathy (Jolene and what happened to her and her daughter.)

    Honesty Policy. Like Hershel said, we're relying on the honesty of others now. There's no more room for secrets, or BSing, be as honest as the game will allow. A true man Says what he Means and Means what he Says.
  • edited July 2012
    The fact you're a woman is a factor, you're biologically wired differently. Personally, I treat Clem like a real daughter. (Always wanted one, she's just like I'd want my daughter to be) Which is, actually, another reason I have Duck so low on my priorities. Let's face it, if they reach that age It's her and Duck... Duck is NOT going to "Mate" with Clem-Clem, in the words of TV Hershel "no man's good enough for your daughter, until they are". Duck's not there yet, not by a long shot. Better he be offed and we find Clem-Clem a new playmate.

    Sorry, but killing a kid is more along the lines of killing in general. The Child Worship stuff it is Pedo like, it makes me nervous because (even if it is a game) that sort of fascination with a child can't be healthy. Especially if you consider most of these people are men... I get that it's best Pedophiles fantasize about cartoon drawings and animated kids rather than victimize real children, but Clem and Duck have voice actors it's.. Just not right.

    Maybe half, or (and I'm in a really optimistic mood right now) most of them aren't Paedos... But if you don't think a good portion of them aren't, just trying to blend in with this fan club crap then...
    Besides, does it strike no one odd that the Kenny, Carly, Doug, Lilly groups aren't as vocal or memetastic?.. It just doesn't feel right.

    I count both as equally bad - doing HARM to a child is bad, no matter what type of harm it is.

    And I seriously hope people are reading what you say - half the people here are pedophiles? Really? Just like I'm sure most of the people who read Twilight are either necrophiliacs or into bestiality, depending upon whether you side with "Team Edward" or "Team Jacob".
  • edited July 2012
    I count both as equally bad - doing HARM to a child is bad, no matter what type of harm it is.

    And I seriously hope people are reading what you say - half the people here are pedophiles? Really? Just like I'm sure most of the people who read Twilight are either necrophiliacs or into bestiality, depending upon whether you side with "Team Edward" or "Team Jacob".
    Trust me, beating a child senseless is worse than spanking it, and killing a child is worse than beating the crap out of it, and Raping a child is worse than Killing it.

    Technically it'd be Vampiphiles and Lycaniphiles, but yeah. I'm saying a lot of them probably are, because there are a lot more of them out there than people think and this IS the internet as well.
  • edited July 2012
    Trust me, beating a child senseless is worse than spanking it, and killing a child is worse than beating the crap out of it, and Raping a child is worse than Killing it.

    Technically it'd be Vampiphiles and Lycaniphiles, but yeah. I'm saying a lot of them probably are, because there are a lot more of them out there than people think and this IS the internet as well.

    And getting on the internet calling people "creepy" does what, exactly to stop pedophiles?

    Besides, "harm" is "harm", no matter what you call it. Sure, leaving a person alive to then cope with the trauma is bad, but you cannot honestly be justifying your "homicidal tendency" towards Duck as NOT being worse than the people here who are DEFENDING HIM against people who are thinking just like you?

    I think this conversation is over.
  • edited July 2012
    Come on dude no reason to call names now. I think I can speak for most of us when I say the kids are not worshiped at all. As I said b4 its for fun only. To be honest, I feel a bit of an emotional attachment to most of the characters in TWD and quite frankly thats a testament to the game writers/designers.
    Like a well written book,movie or in this case game the author wants to create that attachment. If you feel for the characters then you will keep watching/reading/playing and that is the ultimate goal.:D
  • edited July 2012
    And getting on the internet calling people "creepy" does what, exactly to stop pedophiles?

    Besides, "harm" is "harm", no matter what you call it. Sure, leaving a person alive to then cope with the trauma is bad, but you cannot honestly be justifying your "homicidal tendency" towards Duck as NOT being worse than the people here who are DEFENDING HIM against people who are thinking just like you?

    I think this conversation is over.

    Nothing, just let's them know you see them for that they are.

    You're right, they do have to cope, even as they turn 20. It messes with the chemicals in a kids head, it desensitizes them to things and makes the cold. Angry, sometimes with Suicidal and Homicidal Tendencies well into their later life.
    What makes it worse is I'm laying plans out for a Game, with the idea of long term survival in mind. What I'm doing is something that comes from cold, remorseless logic. But if there is a Pedo in one of these "support groups", they're here because they have some sick impulses that no doubt carry over into real life.

    It's over when one of us stops replying I suppose.
    ozzmann wrote: »
    Come on dude no reason to call names now. I think I can speak for most of us when I say the kids are not worshiped at all. As I said b4 its for fun only. To be honest, I feel a bit of an emotional attachment to most of the characters in TWD and quite frankly thats a testament to the game writers/designers.
    Like a well written book,movie or in this case game the author wants to create that attachment. If you feel for the characters then you will keep watching/reading/playing and that is the ultimate goal.:D

    Maybe for you that's how it is... But I'm really not that trusting of people. there are a WHOLE lot more of them out there than people like to admit. Just like there are a lot more, just general sex offenders out there than people would like to accept... This world is a messed up place, and the internet is where people show their most messed up sides. So it wouldn't surprise me at all. Sad, but...
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Man I don't give a fuck what you people who read too much into things think. calling Clementine Queen Clem and Duck King Duck is a fun little game. Go to Oranges and Lemons and read the list of rules. More then half are Red Dwarf and Doctor Who Jokes. Why don't you follow the old rule of thumb "Just repeat to yourself it's just a game you should really just relax" Clementines a well written interesting character We don't go to greenland with a submarine looking for rapture to rescue little sisters. We need something to joke about and a pretend society ruled by Clementine and/or Duck seemed as good as topic as any. Especially when you consider that the only other people posting as often as the K.I.Q.C.S. {which is an Acronym I took from rock band K.I.S.S.] Are people who turn simple disagreements over kenny and lily into blood feuds.
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Man I don't give a fuck what you people who read too much into things think. calling Clementine Queen Clem and Duck King Duck is a fun little game. Go to Oranges and Lemons and read the list of rules. More then half are Red Dwarf and Doctor Who Jokes. Why don't you follow the old rule of thumb "Just repeat to yourself it's just a game you should really just relax" Clementines a well written interesting character We don't go to greenland with a submarine looking for rapture to rescue little sisters. We need something to joke about and a pretend society ruled by Clementine and/or Duck seemed as good as topic as any. Especially when you consider that the only other people posting as often as the K.I.Q.C.S. {which is an Acronym I took from rock band K.I.S.S.] Are people who turn simple disagreements over kenny and lily into blood feuds.

    I'll try to see it as a Joke, but... It's still a bit creepy for me, due to my life experiences I guess.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    I'll try to see it as a Joke, but... It's still a bit creepy for me, due to my life experiences I guess.

    sorry about your life experiences I won't make any wild guesses as to the circumstances as a wise man once said " where his holiness does his business is his business"
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Man I don't give a fuck what you people who read too much into things think. calling Clementine Queen Clem and Duck King Duck is a fun little game. Go to Oranges and Lemons and read the list of rules. More then half are Red Dwarf and Doctor Who Jokes. Why don't you follow the old rule of thumb "Just repeat to yourself it's just a game you should really just relax" Clementines a well written interesting character We don't go to greenland with a submarine looking for rapture to rescue little sisters. We need something to joke about and a pretend society ruled by Clementine and/or Duck seemed as good as topic as any. Especially when you consider that the only other people posting as often as the K.I.Q.C.S. {which is an Acronym I took from rock band K.I.S.S.] Are people who turn simple disagreements over kenny and lily into blood feuds.

    LOL, high five Cap!!!LOL
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    sorry about your life experiences I won't make any wild guesses as to the circumstances as a wise man once said " where his holiness does his business is his business"

    Much appreciated.
  • edited July 2012
    Back to Duck...

    I've been thinking that it would be nice to have a scene where Duck inadvertently saves some one's life. Maybe he didn't mean to do (or maybe he did, that would be nice), but I would like to see the whole "brave" thing expanded upon in the game (Lee tells him at the motor lab that he was brave).

    So far all anybody sees is that he is screw up. Everyone else has had their chance to prove their worth, I would like to see it happen with Duck.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Duck is getting traumatized by watching daddy get shot momma held hostage eating mark seeing mark crawling legless etc
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Duck is getting traumatized by watching daddy get shot momma held hostage eating mark seeing mark crawling legless etc

    Maybe, but remember what his nickname is "Like water off a Duck's back..."

    I might be nice for Clem to have a friend that is too simple and naive to talk about all of the bad stuff going on around them. It's a good distraction for her.
  • edited July 2012
    I know I'm going to probably catch crap over this but here is why I instantly liked Duck.He reminds me of myself at that age. I had ADHD and Dyslexia, yes I rode the short bus and yes I was in LD classes until 7th grade. However I grew out of that stuff and now have 3 degrees hanging on my wall behind me. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to brag, I'm just pointing out that there's still hope for Duck!:D
  • edited July 2012
    ozzmann wrote: »
    I know I'm going to probably catch crap over this but here is why I instantly liked Duck.He reminds me of myself at that age. I had ADHD and Dyslexia, yes I rode the short bus and yes I was in LD classes until 7th grade. However I grew out of that stuff and now have 3 degrees hanging on my wall behind me. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to brag, I'm just pointing out that there's still hope for Duck!:D

    Odd, I had ADD/ADHD and I still wasn't as incompetent as Duck...
    Anyways, no offense to kid ozzman but... You're not good enough for Clementine, and I'm going to feed you to the walkers to protect her superior genetics. :p
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    But also Remember like Kenny said in episode three trailer."Not much gets to him but it's starting to add up"
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    But also Remember like Kenny said in episode three trailer."Not much gets to him but it's starting to add up"

    Yeah, but that's why I want to see Duck be the hero for once. So much bad is happening to him - I seriously think it's bordering on unbelievable that one little kid could be so unlucky.
  • edited July 2012
    Yeah, but that's why I want to see Duck be the hero for once. So much bad is happening to him - I seriously think it's bordering on unbelievable that one little kid could be so unlucky.

    He still has his parents...
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    He still has his parents...

    For now....


    God can you imagine if Duck Commits Suicide?
  • edited July 2012
    He still has his parents...

    Your point being what, exactly? The fact that he still has them is probably the only thing keeping the kid from completely breaking down.

    Clementine has Lee, but you can clearly see from her face and what she says that she is suffering, immensely. Episode two was pretty dark - there pretty much wasn't anything positive that happened for the group.

    It would be nice for good things to happen to the characters, too. That is the direction I would like to see them take before forcing more tragedy on us, with out being nit-picky that this character should be grateful over another, etc.
  • edited July 2012
    Your point being what, exactly? The fact that he still has them is probably the only thing keeping the kid from completely breaking down.

    Clementine has Lee, but you can clearly see from her face and what she says that she is suffering, immensely. Episode two was pretty dark - there pretty much wasn't anything positive that happened for the group.

    It would be nice for good things to happen to the characters, too. That is the direction I would like to see them take before forcing more tragedy on us, with out being nit-picky that this character should be grateful over another, etc.

    My being being that Clementine has gone through worse and hasn't had the benefit of not being aware enough to understand the full gravity of the situation. Duck's been in this state of mind where you can't really tell if he even comprehends what's going on around him... Clementine's more observant and has gone through a fair bit more so far, without the benefit of that mental wall between her and reality that Duck has.

    Duck's pretty damn lucky in comparison to her, and the majority of kids in The Walking Dead universe. (That's my point)... Sure, unlucky kid by most standards, then again it's impossible to not be in the world they live in.
  • edited July 2012
    My being being that Clementine has gone through worse and hasn't had the benefit of not being aware enough to understand the full gravity of the situation. Duck's been in this state of mind where you can't really tell if he even comprehends what's going on around him... Clementine's more observant and has gone through a fair bit more so far, without the benefit of that mental wall between her and reality that Duck has.

    Duck's pretty damn lucky in comparison to her, and the majority of kids in The Walking Dead universe. (That's my point)... Sure, unlucky kid by most standards, then again it's impossible to not be in the world they live in.

    I'm inclined to agree. Duck still has his family with him; that pretty much puts him ahead of oh, everyone else in the group luck-wise. Everybody else's family, without exception is either MIA, or confirmed dead.

    The kid's also pretty clearly oblivious to the world around him (and by Kenny's admission, because the kid's dumb), e.g. break the news at dinner that they're eating somebody, there's only one member of the group that keeps happily chowing down. Take a guess who it is. For reference, that also wasn't unlucky, the kid chose to keep eating after the news.

    Being oblivious to the world around you is probably the worst thing you could be in a survival scenario, particularly one in which most people are undead and want to eat you. Clem may have the whole "naive kid" thing going on every now and again, but she's atleast aware of what's going on around her (incidentally, a handy survival skill), is inquisitive and wants to understand Lee's motivations for doing what he does, his outlook on the world, etc. Not only is Duck unaware, he shows zero inclination to remedy that (though, his parents are just as much to blame for that too).

    In a scenario where resources as basic as food are no longer plentiful, raising a kid to adulthood is a huge investment, even moreso than usual. As horrible as it might be, with a kid like Duck, I think you need to start asking if that investment is worth it, or if those resources would be better spent elsewhere. I don't expect him to be an African child-soldier, but some indication he can contribute and won't be totally reliant on other people to survive as he gets older would be a start. People point out that Clem-Clem's extraordinary for a kid, but that's kinda the point, the overwhelming majority of normal people tend to be, you know, dead.
  • Queen Clementine?
    King Duck?

    What the fuck? I protect both of them but..... WTF is this queen and king creepy bullshit?! :eek:
  • edited July 2012
    Queen Clementine?
    King Duck?

    What the fuck? I protect both of them but..... WTF is this queen and king creepy bullshit?! :eek:

    Yeah, it's fucking drenched in creepyness.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Queen Clementine?
    King Duck?

    What the fuck? I protect both of them but..... WTF is this queen and king creepy bullshit?! :eek:

    Your late to the party and all the gift bags have been handed out. All the yummy hor deurves have been eaten leaving only the veggie plate. and the only punch left is imitation hawaiian punch. Also all the attractive people have left with their partners and all the cool rebels are off doing rebellious stuff.


    In Conclusion your late next time show up earlier to the aformentioned party
  • edited July 2012
    Rommel49 wrote: »
    Being oblivious to the world around you is probably the worst thing you could be In a scenario where resources as basic as food are no longer plentiful, raising a kid to adulthood is a huge investment, even moreso than usual. As horrible as it might be, with a kid like Duck, I think you need to start asking if that investment is worth it, or if those resources would be better spent elsewhere. I don't expect him to be an African child-soldier, but some indication he can contribute and won't be totally reliant on other people to survive as he gets older would be a start. People point out that Clem-Clem's extraordinary for a kid, but that's kinda the point, the overwhelming majority of normal people tend to be, you know, dead.

    I've brought up this point a billion times, and all the opposition will say is "Child Killer". Just preparing you for a potential shit-storm. :D
    Yes, they'll say that even if you make it clear you won't Larry him, and just have him low on the priority list until he shows some worth.
  • edited July 2012
    Queen Clementine?
    King Duck?

    What the fuck? I protect both of them but..... WTF is this queen and king creepy bullshit?! :eek:

    Apparently it's "just a joke"... I'm trying to see it from their POV, but I'm thoroughly creeped out myself.
  • edited July 2012
    Queen Clementine?
    King Duck?

    What the fuck? I protect both of them but..... WTF is this queen and king creepy bullshit?! :eek:

    I just took this as a simple forum meme.
  • edited July 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    I just took this as a simple forum meme.

    And thats all it is. Come on dont you all have imagination?
    LONG LIVE THE KING/QUEEN:D
  • edited July 2012
    Yeah, it's fucking drenched in creepyness.
    HMMMMMMM, whats creepier, Walking Dead fans having fun with the game or those who take it seriously? (ie those who find it creepy) seriously people lighten up and have fun with the characters.
    LONG LIVE THE KING/QUEEN!:D
  • edited August 2012
    You were a ray of sunshine in a dark twisted world. You brought happiness and laughter to all you touched, your carefree attitude was an inspiration to everyone.You were loved by all and things wont be the same without you. You are having dinner with the Lord tonight, you will never be hungry or in pain again. Rest in the arms of Jesus my dear sweet child. You will be missed Ken Jr, God love you amen.

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  • edited August 2012
    Someone can lock this thread now.
  • edited August 2012
    i will always remember duck first like this

    2012-08-30_00013.jpg


    and second slumped against a tree gasping for breath (i've got a lump in throat and my eye's are watery seriously...)
  • edited August 2012
    Someone can lock this thread now.
    why should this thread be locked?
  • edited August 2012
    No, the kid should be properly honored in this thread.
  • edited August 2012
    I'm only kidding. His death doesn't REALLY make the mods shut down every thread he's mentioned in.
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