Is Larry racist or was that a lie Lee told?

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  • edited July 2012
    racism doesn't necessarily mean you want their entire race dead, it can just mean you dont like someone because of their race, and larry didn't say he cared about Clementine he just warned him if something happened to her (he might assume he cant look after children because of his race??) and also dont forget he knocked you out and tried to kill you after you took kenny's side but he let kenny leave (maybe cause he is white) and as i said he just killed a zombie in his camp, he didnt actually have to want to save you he just took advantage of the situation to make him and his daughter safe.

    and that is why its open to interpretation

    ... Are you serious? He knocked you out EVEN if you side with HIM because your a Convicted Killer. Why didn't he do it to Kenny? Because Kenny was ahead of him, Getting the ruck that would SAVE his Daughter from being eaten ALIVE!... I just, I can't take much more of this Asinine Logic!
    "Larry says he left Lee for dead, and doesn't trust him, because he's a Murderer. CLEARLY LARRY'S A RACIST BECAUSE HE'S WHITE AND LEE'S BLACK AND THEY DON'T GET ALONG!" << ^^ THIS is what YOU sound like right now. THIS is your argument and your logic. Which, by the way, makes YOU the Racist right now...
  • edited July 2012
    ... Are you serious? He knocked you out EVEN if you side with HIM because your a Convicted Killer. Why didn't he do it to Kenny? Because Kenny was ahead of him, Getting the ruck that would SAVE his Daughter from being eaten ALIVE!... I just, I can't take much more of this Asinine Logic!
    "Larry says he left Lee for dead, and doesn't trust him, because he's a Murderer. CLEARLY LARRY'S A RACIST BECAUSE HE'S WHITE AND LEE'S BLACK AND THEY DON'T GET ALONG!" << ^^ THIS is what YOU sound like right now. THIS is your argument and your logic. Which, by the way, makes YOU the Racist right now...

    no, my logic is a character in a story says a man is a racist there is no other evidence either way so i take it as fact and larry never says he isnt.

    your logic, i dont think he is so he isnt
  • edited July 2012
    no, my logic is a character in a story says a man is a racist there is no other evidence either way so i take it as fact and larry never says he isnt.

    your logic, i dont think he is so he isnt

    So your logic is that, if the option to say something (in a game which often allows lying, half truths, and cover ups) it must be true, without any evidence to support it. Guilty until proven innocent is it? Man, I'd hate to be stuck with you as a Judge for my Witch Trial. I'd be burned without a second thought, wouldn't I?.. You can ALSO tell Clementine the man you Killed was a Zombie. Logically, this isn't likely due to what we do KNOW from the story. Same with Larry, Logically we can come to the conclusion he isn't racist based on various factors previously mentioned.

    See, MY Logic is very very different. I'm not going to take something as fact, because of an option in a game that has lying as an option, when it goes against all of my observations, SIMPLY because it's an option... As I previously stated, to do so is Asinine.
  • edited July 2012
    It doesn't matter what you think. The game gave no good indications whether he is racist or not. That's why this question doesn't matter.

    There are 2 minor things in the game that can be argued for or against Larry being racist:
    1.) Larry cares about Clementine (who isn't white but mixed african american). He warns Lee that he will not be forgiven if anything happens to Clementine (and Lilly). So he can't be too racist if he cares about non-white kids.
    2.) If you state towards Mark that you think Larry is a racist he will tell this to Larry. Now if you answer that you did mean this Larry will not deny it in any way but responds: 'And what are you gonna do about it?'

    Neither thing is clear enough to know the answer. And he is dead so we obviously won't find out in the future (unless Lilly explicitly mentions his stance on this issue, which I highly doubt).
  • edited July 2012
    So your logic is that, if the option to say something (in a game which often allows lying, half truths, and cover ups) it must be true, without any evidence to support it. Guilty until proven innocent is it? Man, I'd hate to be stuck with you as a Judge for my Witch Trial. I'd be burned without a second thought, wouldn't I?.. You can ALSO tell Clementine the man you Killed was a Zombie. Logically, this isn't likely due to what we do KNOW from the story. Same with Larry, Logically we can come to the conclusion he isn't racist based on various factors previously mentioned.

    See, MY Logic is very very different. I'm not going to take something as fact, because of an option in a game that has lying as an option, when it goes against all of my observations, SIMPLY because it's an option.

    all the other time you can lie you have seen the evidence so you know you are lying, i didnt find hidden security tapes of the past few weeks did you?
    how do you know that larry wasn't treating Lee much worse than anybody else?
  • edited July 2012
    maybe it is ambiguous and left to the player to draw their own conclusions sort of like Clem's race.

    I think our feelings about Larry has to do with our own personal racial politics and less to do with what the "truth" is. Same with Clem's race.
  • edited July 2012
    all the other time you can lie you have seen the evidence so you know you are lying, i didnt find hidden security tapes of the past few weeks did you?
    how do you know that larry wasn't treating Lee much worse than anybody else?

    How do you know he was? And like I said, you can lie to Carly and Clem-Clem about the senator, despite not knowing for sure it's heavily implied that you killed a man who wasn't a zombie for sleeping with your wife. Saying it was an accident, I'd say, is lying.
  • edited July 2012
    How do you know he was? And like I said, you can lie to Carly and Clem-Clem about the senator, despite not knowing for sure it's heavily implied that you killed a man who wasn't a zombie for sleeping with your wife. Saying it was an accident, I'd say, is lying.

    but you don't know if it is an accident.

    We don't know if it was premeditated or if he caught them in the bed. Makes a difference in the court room.

    And could have very well been an "accident"

    Like the case of a father who beat a man to death on "accident" when he caught the man trying to molest his daughter. Happened out in Texas.

    So maybe it's not so much of a lie but an assumption or inference
  • edited July 2012
    but you don't know if it is an accident.

    We don't know if it was premeditated or if he caught them in the bed. Makes a difference in the court room.

    And could have very well been an "accident"

    Like the case of a father who beat a man to death on "accident" when he caught the man trying to molest his daughter. Happened out in Texas.

    So maybe it's not so much of a lie but an assumption or inference

    So I take it the lie to Clem about him being a zombie could be true. I mean, who knows, maybe he was patient Zero? Doesn't make sense in context, but hey. Who cares, right? Could be true.
  • edited July 2012
    How do you know he was? And like I said, you can lie to Carly and Clem-Clem about the senator, despite not knowing for sure it's heavily implied that you killed a man who wasn't a zombie for sleeping with your wife. Saying it was an accident, I'd say, is lying.

    i dont that why its open for interpretation, however with no evidence either way, but Lee says he is and also larry is a mean person and mark doesnt disagree so i go for a 51% chance he is racist
  • edited July 2012
    i dont that why its open for interpretation, however with no evidence either way, but Lee says he is and also larry is a mean person and mark doesnt disagree so i go for a 51% chance he is racist

    Mark doesn't disagree because he doesn't KNOW what Larry's deal with you is. (The whole reason he asks).. But once again, The Senator was a Zombie, right?
  • edited July 2012
    Mark doesn't disagree because he doesn't KNOW what Larry's deal with you is. (The whole reason he asks).. But once again, The Senator was a Zombie, right?

    there is good evidence to say the senator wasn't a zombie(timing and such), maybe mark asked because he noticed how unfairly Lee was being treated by Larry
  • edited July 2012
    there is good evidence to say the senator wasn't a zombie(timing and such), maybe mark asked because he noticed how unfairly Lee was being treated by Larry

    There's no good evidence, you can say Lee didn't seem to notice a similarity between the Cop and the Senator. But then again he hesitated to grab the keys that were in front of the cop's mouth, like he would get bit PLUS he knew to shoot for the head.
    Also, Lee couldn't have been passed out for three whole days, yet that's how long Clem's been on her own. He also would have had to have killed the man recently, since he wasn't in prison attire. (Meaning he wasn't being transferred to a diff prison.)
    There's no clear evidence one way or the other, but Lee can say it to Clem so it MUST be true!

    Not only that, but maybe Lee's only taking care of Clem because he Likes little girls, if you know what I mean. What if, in Episode 3, someone accuses Lee of being a Pedo? We have no real evidence one way or the other, so he must be one right? I mean, never mind that he doesn't act like a Pedo, but since someone thinks he is it must be true right?

    Do you see how silly your Racist argument is yet, or should I keep going?
  • edited July 2012
    So I take it the lie to Clem about him being a zombie could be true. I mean, who knows, maybe he was patient Zero? Doesn't make sense in context, but hey. Who cares, right? Could be true.

    I'm not saying there are not lying options.

    Just saying maybe he did kill the senator on accident. We don't know.
  • edited July 2012
    I'm not saying there are not lying options.

    Just saying maybe he did kill the senator on accident. We don't know.

    We also don't know he wasn't a Zombie. (Read the post above yours)
  • edited July 2012
    There's no good evidence, you can say Lee didn't seem to notice a similarity between the Cop and the Senator. But then again he hesitated to grab the keys that were in front of the cop's mouth, like he would get bit PLUS he knew to shoot for the head.
    Also, Lee couldn't have been passed out for three whole days, yet that's how long Clem's been on her own. He also would have had to have killed the man recently, since he wasn't in prison attire. (Meaning he wasn't being transferred to a diff prison.)
    There's no clear evidence one way or the other, but Lee can say it to Clem so it MUST be true!

    Not only that, but maybe Lee's only taking care of Clem because he Likes little girls, if you know what I mean. What if, in Episode 3, someone accuses Lee of being a Pedo? We have no real evidence one way or the other, so he must be one right? I mean, never mind that he doesn't act like a Pedo, but since someone thinks he is it must be true right?

    Do you see how silly your Racist argument is yet, or should I keep going?

    well you are right there is a possibility of the senator being a zombie, and perhaps the will be a pedo twist in the game i guess we will find out.
    any more?
  • edited July 2012
    well you are right there is a possibility of the senator being a zombie, and perhaps the will be a pedo twist in the game i guess we will find out.
    any more?

    If you're really buying into half the crap I just said, you're too far gone to even continue speaking with.
  • edited July 2012
    If you're really buying into half the crap I just said, you're too far gone to even continue speaking with.

    i dont think they are likely but that doesnt mean it wont be part of the later games.

    i cant believe you think its impossible for a mean old man to be racist
  • edited July 2012
    The senator was NOT a zombie. A conviction for murder takes several months, if not years. Do you really think the infection had been running for such a looooooooong time without anyone noticing?
  • edited July 2012
    dubesor wrote: »
    The senator was NOT a zombie. A conviction for murder takes several months, if not years. Do you really think the infection had been running for such a looooooooong time without anyone noticing?

    Nothing says it hasn't, and Lee said it was so it must be True. (I suggest you read back and see where this started before jumping all over this though)
  • edited July 2012
    i dont think they are likely but that doesnt mean it wont be part of the later games.

    i cant believe you think its impossible for a mean old man to be racist

    Implausible, not impossible. I mean, it's Possible I'm not really here. I could be in the Matrix, or in a Coma, or so insane I've created my own reality to retreat into... But you know what, the whole Nihilistic thing might be Possible, but it's not Plausible.

    Similarly, I see no reason to say Larry's racist apart from him being White and a Potentially Untruthful, or Overly Opinionated dialogue option... There's no real reason to think he's racist, and NONE of his behavior towards Lee doesn't have a MUCH more Logical and Established reason.
  • edited July 2012
    racism doesn't necessarily mean you want their entire race dead, it can just mean you dont like someone because of their race, and larry didn't say he cared about Clementine he just warned him if something happened to her (he might assume he cant look after children because of his race??) and also dont forget he knocked you out and tried to kill you after you took kenny's side but he let kenny leave (maybe cause he is white) and as i said he just killed a zombie in his camp, he didnt actually have to want to save you he just took advantage of the situation to make him and his daughter safe.

    and that is why its open to interpretation

    Ok so "open to interpretation" means "flat out ignoring all of the facts to prove a nonexistant point" got it. Clementime isn't white either, so why would he care about her? BECAUSE HE ISN'T RACIST!

    no, my logic is a character in a story says a man is a racist there is no other evidence either way so i take it as fact and larry never says he isnt.

    your logic, i dont think he is so he isnt

    Your logic: I will believe in a game where lieing has been an option in the past, that this one time where I say something that has no evidence for the statement, but a lot of evidence against what is said, that this person is clearly telling the truth.

    My logic: Larry cares for Clem who isn't white, hates Kenny, Mark, and Carly who are all white, and knows that Lee is a convicted murderer, who is now near is daughter a lot. Lots of evidence against his racism, no evidence for it.

    all the other time you can lie you have seen the evidence so you know you are lying, i didnt find hidden security tapes of the past few weeks did you?
    how do you know that larry wasn't treating Lee much worse than anybody else?

    Because he treated Lee the same as everyone else(as in hated them) in episode 1 and episode 2. Do you really think someone's personality changed inbetween episodes, and then magically changed right back for the next one? No, that is a rather silly argument.
    i dont that why its open for interpretation, however with no evidence either way, but Lee says he is and also larry is a mean person and mark doesnt disagree so i go for a 51% chance he is racist

    There is a lot of evidence against it actually, you've ignored all of it. Mark agrees Larry is mean, Mark is white. Even more evidence he isn't racist.
    there is good evidence to say the senator wasn't a zombie(timing and such), maybe mark asked because he noticed how unfairly Lee was being treated by Larry
    Lee was treated unfairly becasue Larry knows he is a convicted murderer! Get that through your mind please. Clearly you are keeping this thread up for trolling/attention purposes because you were disproved a long time ago and still continue to argue with zero evidence.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited July 2012
    We're done here. This leads to nothing.

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