The Fate of the St John Brothers

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  • edited July 2012
    Letting them go is about the stupidest thing anyone can do in that situation. There is already a huge thread about this further down the page. I said it there and i'll say it again, anyone who let any of them live is an idiot. If you want to read through that thread you will find a large discussion about the merits of keeping them alive. http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30618

    I propose that anyone who leaves them alive is on the side of evil. They are perpetuating evil. By leaving them alive you are supporting evil. And anyone who let them live is a BAD person.
  • edited July 2012
    zenstrata wrote: »

    I propose that anyone who leaves them alive is on the side of evil. They are perpetuating evil. By leaving them alive you are supporting evil. And anyone who let them live is a BAD person.

    danny was pinned by a bear trap, andy was broken and weak

    hence they are both walker chow...

    and clem isn't traumatized as much...
  • edited July 2012
    danny was pinned by a bear trap, andy was broken and weak

    hence they are both walker chow...

    and clem isn't traumatized as much...

    Bullshit. Unless you SAW Andy get eaten.
    Danny ya, he is messed up and incapacitated.
    Andy's face is messed up, but that wont stop him from getting up, outrunning zombies, grab a rifle and settle the score with you for what you did to his familly. And what does he have to lose?

    And Clem isnt traumatized?
    Clem is growing up in a world where dead people eat living people. And living people serve her members of the group for dinner. Clem isnt Duck, she knows more than you think. And if she want to survive, she needs to toughen up.
    Things are not going back to what they used to be.

    How will she ever forgive you when Andy lodge a bullett in her spine paralyzing her?
    You broke your promise to protect her from the dangerous ones.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    was danny pinned? Maybe he can just hop to the door close it and lock it then hop away
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    Bullshit. Unless you SAW Andy get eaten.
    Danny ya, he is messed up and incapacitated.
    Andy's face is messed up, but that wont stop him from getting up, outrunning zombies, grab a rifle and settle the score with you for what you did to his familly. And what does he have to lose?

    And Clem isnt traumatized?
    Clem is growing up in a world where dead people eat living people. And living people serve her members of the group for dinner. Clem isnt Duck, she knows more than you think. And if she want to survive, she needs to toughen up.
    Things are not going back to what they used to be.

    How will she ever forgive you when Andy lodge a bullett in her spine paralyzing her?
    You broke your promise to protect her from the dangerous ones.

    you are obsessed with bullet spines? maybe you should make a meme Iwas an innocent like you then i took an bullet to the spine. while were at it maybe Lee can become white and become a Sherriff
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    you are obsessed with bullet spines? maybe you should make a meme Iwas an innocent like you then i took an bullet to the spine. while were at it maybe Lee can become white and become a Sherriff

    Well. Wouldnt it be awesome if Telltale made poor decisions backfire in later episodes?
    I doubt they will though.
  • edited July 2012
    Zombified wrote: »
    You with shoot him or push him into the electric fence.

    Ahh :)
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    i have yet to manage to shoot him
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    i have yet to manage to shoot him
    Because OH MY GOD Clem could see it right?
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    I finally shot him. Every time i lost to him before and then got the gun i walked away. this time i actually shot him and fell damned good about it. just kicking him into the fence to die makes walking away an more fulfilling option
  • edited July 2012
    I killed Danny in a blind rage after what he and his family did. After calmind down, I might still have killed Andy too, but I knew he was a dead man either way with the place filling up with Walkers. So I left him.
  • edited July 2012
    Telltale just have to make Andy reappear in episode 3.
    After all, no one saw him get the chomp.
  • edited July 2012
    I'm glad to see the majority spared the brothers. Dale R.I.P would be proud of you all!:D
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    Telltale just have to make Andy reappear in episode 3.
    After all, no one saw him get the chomp.

    I really, REALLY hope they do. Seriously, who in their right mind would leave a cannibalistic murderer(s) with knowledge of the location of your camp alive. It's beyond idiotic. Especially considering you were responsible for their mothers death.

    The people that keep saying they are zombie food have absolutely no clue what they're talking about or are greatly overestimating the walkers. It's not even a herd of them, it's like 15-20. If he was completely surrounded, it would be a different story. Our group just walks off. It couldn't have been that dire of a situation.
  • edited July 2012
    Spared them both. Aside from it bugging my conscience, the fact that other people were watching me made it harder to kill them. Could I kill either of them knowing Clementine was watching? It just did not feel right.
  • edited July 2012
    I really, REALLY hope they do. Seriously, who in their right mind would leave a cannibalistic murderer(s) with knowledge of the location of your camp alive. It's beyond idiotic. Especially considering you were responsible for their mothers death.

    The people that keep saying they are zombie food have absolutely no clue what they're talking about or are greatly overestimating the walkers. It's not even a herd of them, it's like 15-20. If he was completely surrounded, it would be a different story. Our group just walks off. It couldn't have been that dire of a situation.

    There's a reason why we were able to just "walk off" - most likely because the Walkers were preoccupied with the St. John brothers.

    Danny is likely a dead man without immediate medical attention (in my playthrough he got stabbed twice with the sickle and then got caught in the bear trap). The only person left to save him is his brother Andy, who is sitting there, watching us leave...instead of fleeing from the Walkers closing in on him.

    Besides, I think someone from telltale may have already commented on this in another thread - you either left the family for dead at your own hands, or at the walkers. Pretty sure they're not coming back.
  • edited July 2012
    I think that Andy is not coming back. This game is comics canon and I saw somewhere that Kirkman stated that no 2 persons in TWD universe meets each other 2 times, if one leaves location.
  • edited July 2012
    magzhi wrote: »
    I think that Andy is not coming back. This game is comics canon and I saw somewhere that Kirkman stated that no 2 persons in TWD universe meets each other 2 times, if one leaves location.

    What about Rick and Morgan? Would be interesting to read that though.
    There's a reason why we were able to just "walk off" - most likely because the Walkers were preoccupied with the St. John brothers.

    Danny is likely a dead man without immediate medical attention (in my playthrough he got stabbed twice with the sickle and then got caught in the bear trap). The only person left to save him is his brother Andy, who is sitting there, watching us leave...instead of fleeing from the Walkers closing in on him.

    Besides, I think someone from telltale may have already commented on this in another thread - you either left the family for dead at your own hands, or at the walkers. Pretty sure they're not coming back.

    That's not really a convincing answer. I'm sure we would have heard screaming since we were taking our sweet time walking away, right? I didn't see him die. They also had enough medical supplies and the knowledge to keep a double amputee alive in their bathroom floor. All Danny has to do is close a barn door, you'd be surprised at what adrenaline could do. It also doesn't hurt that he has knowledge of the modified bear traps. Andy is barely injured as well.

    It's possible the later comics have me jaded. Seeing what a group of 5 people can do against a herd of walkers with only melee weapons. I just don't see the logic in leaving two very real threats alive. It's still beyond idiotic to me.
  • edited July 2012
    If the St. Johns survive, you'll probably just get something like a scene of the bandits executing them. If you killed the St. Johns, the execution scene is just random people.

    There will be Banang in the background.
  • edited July 2012
    There's a reason why we were able to just "walk off" - most likely because the Walkers were preoccupied with the St. John brothers.

    Danny is likely a dead man without immediate medical attention (in my playthrough he got stabbed twice with the sickle and then got caught in the bear trap). The only person left to save him is his brother Andy, who is sitting there, watching us leave...instead of fleeing from the Walkers closing in on him.
    Besides, I think someone from telltale may have already commented on this in another thread - you either left the family for dead at your own hands, or at the walkers. Pretty sure they're not coming back.

    And that is why it is perfect for Andy to return in episode 3 for those who didnt kill him the first time.
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    And that is why it is perfect for Andy to return in episode 3 for those who didnt kill him the first time.

    Have you ever had your mother and brother killed in the same hour, then begged to be killed, and had god answer by giving you a poetic end?

    He wanted to die. Saying that he'd return just for the sake of drama is a little ignorant of what he's just gone through.
  • edited July 2012
    Have you ever had your mother and brother killed in the same hour, then begged to be killed, and had god answer by giving you a poetic end?

    He wanted to die. Saying that he'd return just for the sake of drama is a little ignorant of what he's just gone through.

    He wanted to die?
    Just because someone want to die, doesnt mean they will want to die or is ready to die right that moment. Alot of people say they want to die. About 5% of them actually do. And about 90% of those 5% doesnt say a word about it before killing themself.
    When those zombies get up close and personal, how do you know he was ready? Chanses are bigger he wasnt. And if he wasnt, who will he be coming after when things sink in?
    Very few people want to die when time comes to push the trigger. Those who do have been suffering from depression over longer periods of time. Chanses are bigger that Andy got up and outrun the walkers, than simply letting them kill him.
    And aside from a messed up face, he is still a huge threat who anyone in their right mind should have dealt with when they had the chanse.

    No worries though, i think you are safe. Telltale will choose the easy way out and move on.
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    He wanted to die?
    Just because someone want to die, doesnt mean they will want to die or is ready to die right that moment. Alot of people say they want to die. About 5% of them actually do. And about 90% of those 5% doesnt say a word about it before killing themself.

    On a similar note, did you know that 90% of all statistics are total BS invented on the spot in a vain attempt to prove a point?
  • edited July 2012
    If you spare Andy, its the most emotionally hard-hitting moment of all the Walking dead. I beat up the left side of his face incredibly bad, so he just looked broken. Seeing a man break like that, it's sad, even for someone so vicious.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Lee shooting him in the head and then looking back at the group including clementine and marching {striding?} past them. Shows a Hardened side to Lee.
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    He wanted to die?
    Just because someone want to die, doesnt mean they will want to die or is ready to die right that moment. Alot of people say they want to die. About 5% of them actually do. And about 90% of those 5% doesnt say a word about it before killing themself.
    When those zombies get up close and personal, how do you know he was ready? Chanses are bigger he wasnt. And if he wasnt, who will he be coming after when things sink in?
    Very few people want to die when time comes to push the trigger. Those who do have been suffering from depression over longer periods of time. Chanses are bigger that Andy got up and outrun the walkers, than simply letting them kill him.
    And aside from a messed up face, he is still a huge threat who anyone in their right mind should have dealt with when they had the chanse.

    No worries though, i think you are safe. Telltale will choose the easy way out and move on.

    The thing about statistics, yeah. And also, he was pretty far depressed. The idea that he's snap out of it right before a zombie got him is silly. A zombie horde surrounds you like that - unarmed and demoralized - and no resurgence of will-to-live will save you.

    I want him to come back and I want that decision to have ramifications - but accept when someone is dead.
  • edited July 2012
    The thing about statistics, yeah. And also, he was pretty far depressed. The idea that he's snap out of it right before a zombie got him is silly. A zombie horde surrounds you like that - unarmed and demoralized - and no resurgence of will-to-live will save you.

    I want him to come back and I want that decision to have ramifications - but accept when someone is dead.
    Except, he wasnt surrounded.
    I guess you would lay down and get chomped in a situation like that.
    I wouldnt.
    If i was Andy i would go after Lee. Then i could die later.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    shoot Andy in the head and leave danny alive in the barn maybe?
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    Except, he wasnt surrounded.
    I guess you would lay down and get chomped in a situation like that.
    I wouldnt.
    If i was Andy i would go after Lee. Then i could die later.

    Me: Point.
    You: Except I don't listen to arguments. I guess you would make rational points based on facts. I would just deny everything you say.

    This is a pointless discussion. I'm telling you facts based on events from the game. If you really didn't get that Andy was suicidal and surrounded by walkers, then I don't want to waste any more keystrokes on you.
  • edited July 2012
    Me: Point.
    You: Except I don't listen to arguments. I guess you would make rational points based on facts. I would just deny everything you say.

    This is a pointless discussion. I'm telling you facts based on events from the game. If you really didn't get that Andy was suicidal and surrounded by walkers, then I don't want to waste any more keystrokes on you.

    You are not telling me facts.
    And i know you like to think you are rational, but its only your opinion.

    Tell me what makes you think Andy was suicidal. And show me a picture of him being surrounded by walkers. Because i missed that part.
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    You are not telling me facts.
    And i know you like to think you are rational, but its only your opinion.

    Tell me what makes you think Andy was suicidal. And show me a picture of him being surrounded by walkers. Because i missed that part.

    Replay the game for yourself. I'm not going to connect the dots of what everyone else understands or prove to you that I'm capable of critical thinking.
  • edited July 2012
    Replay the game for yourself. I'm not going to connect the dots of what everyone else understands or prove to you that I'm capable of critical thinking.

    You know what, i just did.
    And by the looks of it, Andy has walkers behind him, and his mother coming down from the house. The walkers are not that close, you DONT see him get eaten and he could easily escape the same way you did.

    The only thing you proved is that your facts, such as Andy being surrounded are worthless. You are worthless.
    And what the hell do you know about suicidal. Andy doesnt seem suicidal to me. Mentally unstable? Yes, but that is why he is dangerous.

    Telltale left the option open to bring Andy back at a later stage for those who didnt finish this the first time. It could be episode 3, 4 og 5 or season 2, 3 or 4.

    Facts are those who didnt kill him, left it up to telltale to decide what happens next.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Danny and Andy could come back but Andy seems more likely. Danny's a mama's boy {But dont tell him Brenda said that] So losing his mother might get him killed the Trap wasn't chained and since they designed it maybe they know how to get it off but Andy's not going to think to check the barn. So lets write Danny off. Andy on the other hand seems broken like he's unaware of his surroundings now that his mama's dead and he thinks his brothers dead. However this is a College Educated man with Medical experience. for all we know seeing Zombie Brenda might have kicked in his vengeance instinct so he picked up his rifle put a bullet between her head Riflewhipped any that got close . Went after Lee and his gang.....

    then promptly got shot by a pissed off bandit.

    "Wheres our food" indeed


    Fuckin Gary
  • edited July 2012
    I killed them both. They tried to kill my group so I kill them.
  • edited July 2012
    Cannibalism is always such a hypocritical horror storyline...(even cultural to certain tribes in africa/the amazon) eitherway, we eat dead flesh all the time, we make clothes and furniture out of fur and skin, sure it's our own species but if it came down to it, we d eat each other if it meant survival(don't deny it, it's happened before)...although that didn't stop me from killing the brothers and Danny saying I couldn't made it irresistible :p
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    You know what, i just did.
    And by the looks of it, Andy has walkers behind him, and his mother coming down from the house. The walkers are not that close, you DONT see him get eaten and he could easily escape the same way you did.

    The only thing you proved is that your facts, such as Andy being surrounded are worthless. You are worthless.
    And what the hell do you know about suicidal. Andy doesnt seem suicidal to me. Mentally unstable? Yes, but that is why he is dangerous.

    Telltale left the option open to bring Andy back at a later stage for those who didnt finish this the first time. It could be episode 3, 4 og 5 or season 2, 3 or 4.

    Facts are those who didnt kill him, left it up to telltale to decide what happens next.

    Congratulations, you have learned nothing.
  • edited July 2012
    Congratulations, you have learned nothing.

    I learned that your facts are worth nothing. And so did everyone else.
    But maybe we played a different game than you. Are you sure its "The walking dead" game from telltale you are playing?
    Because in the game i played Andy was not suicidal nor surrounded by zombies. And that was after i didnt kill him.
  • edited July 2012
    i would say its up to telltale if they come back if you dont kill them, but im 90% sure the choice was to either kill them personally or leave them for the zombies to kill, rather than a spare their life or kill them, choice
  • edited July 2012
    Lars80 wrote: »
    I learned that your facts are worth nothing. And so did everyone else.
    But maybe we played a different game than you. Are you sure its "The walking dead" game from telltale you are playing?
    Because in the game i played Andy was not suicidal nor surrounded by zombies. And that was after i didnt kill him.

    Lars, you have the critical thinking of a child. You have the arguing skills of a leper. Your comebacks are as dull as your insight.

    You could not pose a meaningful argument with a dictionary, developer's guide to the game and the help of a think tank. You've proven that you cannot look at that scene and understand the implied emotions nor follow the direction and blocking of the events, and now assume that everyone feels the same way you do, when no one is arguing in your favor but you. This is a moot point that you cannot accept another point of view on and don't have the skills to communicate your side better to me. Please let it go and either learn or continue to be ignorant.

    I'm not going to argue this further.
  • edited July 2012
    i would say its up to telltale if they come back if you dont kill them, but im 90% sure the choice was to either kill them personally or leave them for the zombies to kill, rather than a spare their life or kill them, choice

    Well, that is the easy way out and leave telltale with an easier job in the future.
    Kind of like how Carley/Doug? barely had a role in episode 2.

    These decisions we make and how they will matter later doesnt really seem to make much of an impact so far.

    Sure, Kenny is pissed. But that only means Lilly saves me instead. And if Lilly is pissed, Kenny comes to the rescue.
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