Do other Season Pass buyers feel taken advantage of?

edited August 2012 in The Walking Dead
I feel like TellTale pretty much gave a big middle finger to all the season pass buyers who bought the entire game on the PC/XBOX/PS3.

At he time of purchase it was implied that PC/XBOX/PS3 updates would be monthly. Every other TellTale game gas been completed first then ported for the iOS.

Now that it's clear TellTale is deploying the iOS episodes in sequence with the PC/XBOX/PS3 episodes it almost looks like the company took all of the PC user money upfront then put us on the back burner as they go after iOS customers. Fully knowing that PC uses would expect updates fairly quick as we have in the past. Now we have to wait in line for the iOS version before the next PC episode release.

I just figured the PC version would get priority and finished first then the entire game would be ported to iOS like the other TT games.
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  • edited July 2012
    I agree, but I was under the impression that the delay was caused as much by the PS3 and 360 versions as the iOS. I know Microsoft has a clause that states that if you don't release your game on XboxLive at the same time as or before anywhere else they reserve the right to not release your game on their system. I'm not sure if the PS3 has something similar but it wouldn't surprise me.

    The Walking Dead episode 2 was ready around the time it should have been but it was delayed by about three weeks because the console versions were going through the authoring process. It used to be that the PC version of a Telltale game would be released as soon as it is finished and the console versions would be released many weeks later when the authoring process was complete, but now it seems the PC version isn't being released until the console versions are which makes me wonder if Telltale is being screwed over by Microsoft and Sony, being told they are not allowed to release the game on PC first.

    It could also be they are delaying the PC version by choice to appease the console fans, but that would have been very hard to do with everyone raging hard about the delay.
    Every other TellTale game gas been completed first then ported for the iOS.

    Actually, I believe Law & Order was made for iOS first and then ported to PC.
  • edited July 2012
    I feel like TellTale pretty much gave a big middle finger to all the season pass buyers who bought the entire game on the PC/XBOX/PS3.

    You can't buy the pass for 360.

    Now that it's clear TellTale is deploying the iOS episodes in sequence with the PC/XBOX/PS3 episodes it almost looks like the company took all of the PC user money upfront then put us on the back burner as they go after iOS customers.

    That's hard to believe since the ios users just now got episode 1.
    Fully knowing that PC uses would expect updates fairly quick as we have in the past.

    Updates? What exactly do you mean here? Patches? Telltale don't patch their games sadly. Actual news? Telltale are usually better at that sure, but its not like they just flat out ignore us completely until release. The actual episodes? It seems pretty obvious that the delays in episodes are because Telltale were over-confident with their abilities and didn't realize how hard it is to make your decisions matter.
    Now we have to wait in line for the iOS version before the next PC episode release.
    Where did you get that? We got 2 episodes before the first iOS episode came out, and then before that we were told up front that episode 3 would be mid-august, not at all from the iOS port.
    I just figured the PC version would get priority and finished first then the entire game would be ported to iOS like the other TT games.
    Well that seems rather false since TT go for unified releases. Sam and Max for instance got the first episode iOS a week before PC users. Law and Order as well.
  • edited July 2012
    I do feel a little taken advantage of. I did say I would get monthly episode releases. It's been almost 4 months now and there are only 2 episodes. I would have still purchased it if they said, "new episodes will be available as soon as we complete them. Our goal is to have them ready monthly."
  • edited July 2012
    No I feel fine. I knew it was an episodic game since a played 2 games in the past from TTG so I knew what to expect from them.

    I don't mind it this way but I know most people like to play the game right away then waiting for each level of the game.
  • edited July 2012
    With episode releases not so. But that discount at the steam sales did feel like a stab in the back. Maybe next time I might buy a game if it is nearing it's end or during a steam sale.
  • edited July 2012
    No, I do not feel as if I have been taken advantage of, mainly because every other game that I have played takes much, much, MUCH longer to release. Dragon Age III was JUST announced to be under development, a year and a half after DA2 was released. Two months of waiting is child's play compared to that.

    Also, the quality of the game (in my opinion, having almost NO bugs or glitches while playing on my PC) has been great. The story is interesting and engaging, the environment is rich and immersing - if I have to wait an extra four weeks to continue to have such a product, than so be it.

    As far as broken promises go, the time delay is the last on my list of things that I will complain about. I'd seriously rather wait for great game than play a mediocre one right now. It doesn't bother me that (like nearly everything else in life), it is taking longer than they had initially expected.
  • edited July 2012
    heh, i'm not even pissed at the delays

    i'm angered that i lost all my original saves on ps3 and it took them a month to even acknowledge there was a problem
  • edited July 2012
    marcu5 wrote: »
    heh, i'm not even pissed at the delays

    i'm angered that i lost all my original saves on ps3 and it took them a month to even acknowledge there was a problem

    I'm with ya on that. I'll feel taken advantage of if each episode is a 2 month wait; which is the way it's turning out to be. They did some things wrong and IMO should have had at least 3 or 4 of the episodes complete when they released the first. I feel more like a paying beta tester than a customer.

    I love the game, but some of the decisions you make don't seem to change much and you're not really given very many options. I wish it had more depth, but it is what it is. Despite all of the bullshit, I would buy TWD season 2 if they made it, but I would wait for the finished product before they got my money.
  • edited July 2012
    I'm with ya on that. I'll feel taken advantage of if each episode is a 2 month wait; which is the way it's turning out to be. They did some things wrong and IMO should have had at least 3 or 4 of the episodes complete when they released the first. I feel more like a paying beta tester than a customer.

    I love the game, but some of the decisions you make don't seem to change much and you're not really given very many options. I wish it had more depth, but it is what it is. Despite all of the bullshit, I would buy TWD season 2 if they made it, but I would wait for the finished product before they got my money.

    exactly, i've never played a "finished product" that was so buggy in my life. i enjoy the game but it should have been 80% complete before the release date.
  • edited July 2012
    eh
    i'm fine waiting more time if it means better quality
    i completely get it though, don't get me wrong - had i encountered bugs too after having to wait an extra month, i'd be pissed too
    it's just i'd rather wait a little longer than rush them to release an incomplete product and then complain that it's incomplete
  • edited July 2012
    enworb wrote: »
    eh
    i'm fine waiting more time if it means better quality
    i completely get it though, don't get me wrong - had i encountered bugs too after having to wait an extra month, i'd be pissed too
    it's just i'd rather wait a little longer than rush them to release an incomplete product and then complain that it's incomplete

    TellTale cannot make an entire episode from scratch in one month (and certainly not on several platforms at once) , so the work on the next episode must have started way before an episode have been released. This delay etc could have been avoided if TellTale did not release the first episode until the last episode was nearly finnished..

    I wish I learned my lesson from the Tales of Monkey Island-delays and waited for the entire series to be released until I bought it, but I was out of games to play when I bought the seasonpass on PS3 and hoped TellTale learned from their mistakes then... Looks like they didn't...

    Yes, I know the PS3 have a verificaion prosess, but Telltale must have been aware of that...

    And belive me, Sony doen't have that clause to release games on their console at the same time as the rest. I know that from several PSN-games releases...
  • edited July 2012
    Personally, I started playing this on XBox and like just having to pay $5 per episode upon release, but I also purchased the season Pass from Steam for my PC.

    So I have both and must admit, the PC version (for me) has been a little more laggy but not bad at all, not like it really affect's my game.

    I will say that I have never had a single issue with either PC or Xbox version not 'working'. I have seen many forum threads where people say they have issues and that's too bad, I dont understand why as Ive never used Steam before but it's not given me any issues.

    I did decide to buy the season pass when it was advertised at a reduced price, so I can see why some may be disgruntled having paid $25 from the start when it was announced as a monthy release, now it's $15 and around 2 months.

    That's kinda poor form.

    Anyways, looking foreward to episode 3 and I hope y'all get things sorted!
  • edited July 2012
    I only feel aggrieved because of the Steam Sales! It felt really unfair to discount a game that wasn't even fully released, after many had paid full price only 2 months prior.

    It should have been discounted after all the episodes were out, and initial adopters had a good chance to experience them all.
  • edited July 2012
    I think the solution is not to give the benefit of the doubt to developers and customers. I've enjoyed the first 2 episodes, and I'm sure the package will be worth what I paid in the end, however, I still feel that Steam sales, and late episodes have damaged my appreciation of Telltale slightly.

    I think that those of you telling the 'complainers' to stop are in the wrong, as this is a product, and people's expectations have not been met.
  • edited July 2012
    i don't feel taken advantage of at all. I paid $20 for the whole thing and so far ive gotten more out of this game than i have games ive paid $60 for. Its $20 dollars, that's 2 hours of work for me. ive played and replayed this game for about 10 hours and enjoyed every minute of it.
  • edited July 2012
    the steam sale was mean't to drum up more sales for ep2

    because some people may of not fancied the game when only ep1 was out, so upon ep2 release this sale may make twd more appealing..
  • edited July 2012
    the steam sale was mean't to drum up more sales for ep2

    because some people may of not fancied the game when only ep1 was out, so upon ep2 release this sale may make twd more appealing..

    I understand what a sale is for :P

    It doesn't change the fact that people have paid half of what I paid, and are now in the same boat as me!

    I still think the sale should have come after all the episodes were already out...
  • edited July 2012
    I'm not that concerned with waiting. The fact that I bought the season pass so that I can immediately download an episode and start playing it is good enough for me.
  • edited July 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    I'm not that concerned with waiting. The fact that I bought the season pass so that I can immediately download an episode and start playing it is good enough for me.

    We need more people here like me and you. I find there is to much bitching about the release dates and only a few people like you can me have the patience to wait for the episodes to be released.
  • edited July 2012
    If that Steam sale was meant to train me to wait and not buy the season passes for these games at launch, they succeeded.
  • edited July 2012
    Waspinator wrote: »
    If that Steam sale was meant to train me to wait and not buy the season passes for these games at launch, they succeeded.

    LOL, the steam sale is meant to stop you from buying ANY game before the steam sale...:D
  • edited July 2012
    I just want to say, am I the only one that thought the game was already completed and was just being released on a episodic basis?

    I just figured it was so they could tweak each episode a bit based on feedback, since the game is player tailored.

    not complaining or anything, just that was my logic for buying the game season pass, I had no idea it was a pre-order.
  • edited August 2012
    Do other Season Pass buyers feel taken advantage of?

    No.

    I understand that good games like this take time, and there are going to be delays, but these delays are only there so that Telltale can give us the best experience possible when their games do get released.

    Also, I'm used to Valve Time, so this is no problem for me.
    I just want to say, am I the only one that thought the game was already completed and was just being released on a episodic basis?

    I did too, sort of. I assumed that they'd have at least the third episode complete by the time they released episode 1.
  • edited August 2012
    It's all about the money, you can't do shit about it apart from not buy the game, and no one here will do that, even though we should, not just telltale either :/ anyway they should sort out synchronised release dates, it's standard procedure really...as a ps3 user I had to wait longer than most :p
  • edited August 2012
    JPG619 wrote: »
    We need more people here like me and you. I find there is to much bitching about the release dates and only a few people like you can me have the patience to wait for the episodes to be released.

    I'll be more than happy to wait for the episodes to be relased, but I wanna know WHEN. That's what bothering me the most, and the fact Telltale still are way behind on their release scedule after so many games. You would expect them to learn that by now...
  • edited August 2012
    Bob Page wrote: »
    I'll be more than happy to wait for the episodes to be relased, but I wanna know WHEN. That's what bothering me the most, and the fact Telltale still are way behind on their release scedule after so many games. You would expect them to learn that by now...

    Well from what I learn about Telltale games is that they are not a big company like many other company's that make games like Halo and other shooters so I can see why sometimes it hard for them to meet deadlines.

    Since I have background in computers I know what it takes to design a game. Most of the time the game has like a million lines of code and most of the time to find the error is like a needle in a haystack and with limited resources like TTG I can see why there are delays since people want a perfect game and errors do happen since no one is perfect and people make mistakes
  • edited August 2012
    As long as Telltale communicates the release date or the expectations of the time of month I'm good. I bought the season pass for PS3. I do wish part two was a little longer and that there was a way to actually save the people you choose to save, but that's for another thread.
  • edited August 2012
    Of course the game wasn't done in advance. If it was, they wouldn't be releasing it in bits over time. The entire point of this business model is to get players to pay you earlier in the game's development cycle to help pay for making the rest of it.
  • edited August 2012
    Waspinator wrote: »
    Of course the game wasn't done in advance. If it was, they wouldn't be releasing it in bits over time. The entire point of this business model is to get players to pay you earlier in the game's development cycle to help pay for making the rest of it.

    They don't make an entire episode from scratch when the former is released. They confirmed that during Tales of Monkey Island. It was the same arguments then, as peolpe had to pay for a game witch episodes were delayed more and more as the season progessed... The only reason TellTale is still afloat is that the quality of the games is top notch. A little drop in quality, and they would be floating belly up because people don't want pay upfront and wait for a midicore game. Besides TellTale should be big enough after all the quality games they made to move away from that..
  • edited August 2012
    I am a big Nascar fan and when Nascar2012 came out for Xbox, I got it and paid the full $59.99 for it.. took it home, played and I must say was the most dissappointed in that game over any other in my life.

    It looks great, and when it 'worked' the physic's of it were right on.

    but.. the game was so full of glitches, everything from warping cars, half the field would start while the other half stuck at the starting line, booting everyone as the race was about to start and even simply freezing the Xbox making ya have to manually turn it off then back on.

    They announced fixes were coming in the form of 2 patches over a span of several months.

    I have NEVER in my life paid full retail for a NEW game that was released un-finished and even after the two patches, the game does work better, but is still not as it should be.. some of the same glitches remain, just not quite as bad.!

    With that said, as far as TWD goes, this game is FAR better in every respect!

    The Only negative I see is how, from the start, advertised as a monthy release and charged $25 through stream for the full game..

    Then only after 2 episodes, they lowered the cost to $15 and is now a perodic release.. I just think thats kind poor form.

    But then I will admit, even though I am paying only $5 per episode on my Xbox, I did take advantage of the $15 sale through Steam for the game on my PC as well.

    I wish this game was made complete and released monthly, but because I want it working properly and enjoy it as much as I do, I am content to wait per episode!
  • edited August 2012
    It's fine with me. I haven't seen any planned release schedule advertised anywhere. It's your fault if you just assumed monthly episode releases. Granted, I want the next episode really bad, but I don't want them to rush it either.

    And I don't see how iOS versions could have anything to do with the PC versions. It's such a common confusion with gamers that they think that there must be one lump group of people who do EVERYTHING for a game and that they all have to be working together on one thing at a time. In fact, there are different people with different sets of skills who are working on totally separate projects, so iOS versions can be getting made at the same time that the next PC/XBox/PS3 episodes is getting done.
  • edited August 2012
    not me i feel gimped if i woulda known the season was gonna be screwed over with delays i simply would have preferred buyin per episode . Plenty of tiny lil games and crap i coulda been spending that money on during the delay times. but as is i prolly wont even touch the rest of the series till they are all released so i dont have to tease the hell outa my self with with a 1-3 hour gameplay after waitin 1-2 months lol.
  • edited August 2012
    Long story short, no.
  • edited August 2012
    I feel ripped off by TellTale games for false marketing. I bought the season pass under the impression that updates would be released monthly. Not almost monthly.

    I paid up front because I was given the impression the company eould be turning the episodes much faster.

    If I had any idea it would have been 2 months for each episode then I wood have waited until the end and bought the game at a discount. The game has already been discounted once on Steam.

    The only thing that has me upset is their website had monthly updates at the time I purchased the season pass.
  • edited August 2012
    ... that discount at the steam sales did feel like a stab in the back.

    I agree, a few weeks later I look at Steam and just felt disappointed. Since the episodes are updates in steam- it was probably more stable to download the next episode on steam. I (and I'm guessing many others) had issues downloading ep 2 from within the game (continuously hitting download and checking every 5 minutes over the course of a few hours).

    I felt the download from within the game felt a bit clunky.
  • edited August 2012
    I'm more annoyed because of all the whiners that came out of the woodwork because of it.
  • edited August 2012
    tell tale said FUCK YOU to any one that paid upfront and lied about the epp dates, bottom line they have there cash and dont give a shit about when it comes out
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited August 2012
    Oh look, it's flash-900 again, with some new and interesting opinions to share.
  • edited August 2012
    Nope.

    They're not making us a sandwich, they're making a multi-platform video game. Delays happen. I'm sure, just like the rest of us, you'll get an email when Episode 3 comes out. Until then, maybe find something else to do?
  • edited August 2012
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    Oh look, it's flash-900 again, with some new and interesting opinions to share.

    guess the ban time has expired..
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