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  • edited August 2012
    I kind of grew up in an age where Disney focused less on animated films and more on Live action Films. Not that I haven't sat through quite a few of the classic animated features.

    The animated films are usually good, but it's kind of hard for me to take them seriously, usually because the plot is the generic "princess meets and falls in love with the generic charming guy." Also, I got sick of Hakuna Matata pretty friggin' quickly.

    You know, out of the 53 animated feature films Disney's produced, there's only three films that fit that description: Snow White, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty. Respectively released 1939, 1950, and 1959; nearly ten year gaps between each film.

    Even if you fit any film that features a female lead that falls in love with a male character, that'd be 8 (Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Pocahontas, Mulan, and Princess and the Frog) out of 53. You'd be denying yourself of so many wonderful films if you discount the the 45 other films.
    Also, does anyone else remember watching the Disney Channel? You know, before they started showing... crap?

    I don't think there was ever a period of time where they didn't show crap. If anything, Gravity Falls is pretty dang great. I'm glad the guy who did Imaginary Friend got his own show.
  • edited August 2012
    coolsome wrote: »
    I loved Gargoyles Recess Lloyd in space Aladdin (TV show) and Goof Troop. (Im sure theres others I liked I cant think of anymore off hand.)

    Didn't watch Gargoyles,I love Recess & Lloyd In Space,Aladdin was pretty good, & I don't really remember watching Goof Troop but I love A Goofy Movie.
  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited August 2012
    I pretty much was glued to the Disney afternoon through my entire childhood. The only one I didn't particularly care for was Marsupilami.
  • edited August 2012
    Although Marsupilami isn't a Disney thing, but created by Belgian comic artist André Franquin (who's also known for his "Spirou and Fantasio" comics).
  • edited August 2012
    Thinking back on it, I realized something: there used to be a time when Shia LaBeouf wasn't just a walking joke. Seriously, go watch his performance in "Holes" and you'll begin to wonder if it's even the same guy. That or an episode or two of "Even Stevens".
  • edited August 2012
    Every town
    Has its ups and down
    Sometime ups
    Outnumber the downs
    But not in Nottingham
    I'm inclined to believe
    If we were so down
    We'd up and leave
    We'd up and fly if we had wings for flyin'
    Can't you see the tears we're cryin'?
    Can't there be some happiness for me?
    Not in Nottingham

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQtKZUKlVg

    (You should really listen to this Mumford and Sons cover)
  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited August 2012
    Although Marsupilami isn't a Disney thing, but created by Belgian comic artist André Franquin (who's also known for his "Spirou and Fantasio" comics).
    The 1990's animation adaptation was by Disney though. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but it wasn't my cup of tea back then.
  • edited August 2012
    Oh, didn't know that :)
  • edited August 2012
    Rocketeer...REBOOT?! CURSE YOU DISNEY!!!!!!!!!
  • edited August 2012
    Arrrgggghh. THHAAAANNNKKK YYOYOOUUU DDDIIISSSNEEEYYYY
  • edited August 2012
    Part of me wants to have faith since this is the first thing in recent memory that Disney has rebooted, but...then I read up what is supposedly being done to Robocop and I cringe at the thought of the same kinds of things happening to The Rocketeer. The Rocketeer and Flight of the Navigator are two of my favorite Disney movies and I think both should be left alone.
  • edited August 2012
    Part of me wants to have faith since this is the first thing in recent memory that Disney has rebooted
    Even if we only look at live action films, Tron: Legacy less than two years ago isn't in recent memory? What about trying(and failing) to reboot John Carter of Mars? What about Alice in Wonderland? The Muppets? Underdog? Sorcerer's Apprentice?
  • edited August 2012
    Even if we only look at live action films, Tron: Legacy less than two years ago isn't in recent memory? What about trying(and failing) to reboot John Carter of Mars? What about Alice in Wonderland? The Muppets? Underdog? Sorcerer's Apprentice?

    Tron: Legacy was a sequel, not a reboot. They may have been in a new computer system that looked totally different, but the storyline continued on from the first movie.

    I wouldn't call The Sorcerer's Apprentice a reboot either. Honestly, the gap between the original Fantasia material and the live-action film is so huge, I'm not even sure what you'd call it. Maybe "loosely inspired by the Fantasia short". Very loosely.
  • edited August 2012
    Aside from Jennifer Connelly's somewhat-wooden performance (though she did make up for it :D), the original film was amazing. I doesn't need a reboot, just a decent Blu-Ray releas- OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE DISNEY.
  • edited August 2012
    I wouldn't call The Sorcerer's Apprentice a reboot either. Honestly, the gap between the original Fantasia material and the live-action film is so huge, I'm not even sure what you'd call it. Maybe "loosely inspired by the Fantasia short". Very loosely.
    It's as much a reboot as Alice in Wonderland and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are reboots. It's in that weird gray area where the Fantasia short and the live action film are obviously adapting the same source material, so it's "another adaptation", but it's an adaptation that frankly would not exist without the previous adaptation's existence. No way modern Disney would adapt Sorcerer's Apprentice if it hadn't been adapted in Fantasia first.
  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited August 2012
    Even if we only look at live action films, Tron: Legacy less than two years ago isn't in recent memory? What about trying(and failing) to reboot John Carter of Mars? What about Alice in Wonderland? The Muppets? Underdog? Sorcerer's Apprentice?
    Tron: Legacy was a sequel, not a reboot. They may have been in a new computer system that looked totally different, but the storyline continued on from the first movie.

    I wouldn't call The Sorcerer's Apprentice a reboot either. Honestly, the gap between the original Fantasia material and the live-action film is so huge, I'm not even sure what you'd call it. Maybe "loosely inspired by the Fantasia short". Very loosely.
    John Carter also wasn't a reboot, as the only adaptation of the novel ever made was a direct to DVD movie 3 years before the film (and the Disney movie was in production long before that).

    The Muppets wasn't a reboot either but a sequel, as it continued the storyline of (and referenced events from) the previous movies.
  • edited August 2012
    It's as much a reboot as Alice in Wonderland and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are reboots. It's in that weird gray area where the Fantasia short and the live action film are obviously adapting the same source material, so it's "another adaptation", but it's an adaptation that frankly would not exist without the previous adaptation's existence. No way modern Disney would adapt Sorcerer's Apprentice if it hadn't been adapted in Fantasia first.

    I admit, I don't know a whole lot about the original source material for The Sorcerer's Apprentice. But the film is so fundamentally different from the short on basically every level, the only thing they seem to have in common is the same VERY basic premise, and that cleaning scene in the middle of the live-action film that comes off more as a homage than anything.
  • edited October 2012
    Does anyone know if this

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    Is region A, B ,C or ABC?
  • edited October 2012
    I'd imagine it's what used to be PAL, given the title. I believe it's known as "Basil the Great Mouse Detective" in the US. I could very well be wrong though - it's been known to happen from time to time.

    Not that it matters. It's Blu-Ray - there's no region locking.

    Also: I WANT IT.

    EDIT: According to Wikipedia, the 'Mysteries in the Mist' edition DVD was never released in Europe, so...

    EDIT2: According to Blu-Ray.com, it's Region A. Again though, there's no region locking on a Blu-Ray, so...

    EDIT3: Sadly, it appears this is not one of Disney's best Blu-Ray conversions. Boo!
  • edited October 2012
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  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited October 2012
    It's kind of a shame that The Great Mouse Detective and Oliver and Company are usually overlooked by most people as the "Disney Renaissance" was said to start with The Little Mermaid.

    Personally, I'd say it started with The Great Mouse Detective, as that was the movie where Disney started going back to Walt Disney's desire to push the technology forward while keeping the story solid. The Great Mouse Detective was the first Disney movie to combine moving 3-dimensional objects made from computer imaging software with hand drawn animation (not counting John Lasseter's Where the Wild Things Are pitch, which was brilliant and it's a shame it never got made into an animated feature).
  • edited October 2012
    I saw The Great Mouse Detective. It's decent, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, etc.
  • edited October 2012
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
    I saw The Great Mouse Detective. It's decent, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, etc.

    It has Vincent Price as the rat! What more do you need?
    I hated the little mermaid. :p
  • edited October 2012
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
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    Amazon never get that right. Its best to ignore that and do your own googling to see if you can watch it in your region. Seriously the amount of times iv found out there wrong and I can play it even in the reviews of some things ppl take piss out of them for that.

    Took me awhile but I found out it is in ABC format.
  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited October 2012
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
    I saw The Great Mouse Detective. It's decent, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, etc.
    The Rescuers Down Under is considered part of the Disney Renaissance. The Great Mouse Detective and Oliver and Company are easily as good as that one.
  • edited October 2012
    People don't argue for Great Mouse Detective as being as good as Beauty and the Beast but to ignore the fact that Beauty wouldn't exist without Mouse Detective is to ignore how Disney history was a scaffolding process, and Detective was an important step.
  • edited October 2012
    The Great Mouse Detective was instrumental in rebuilding Disney's trust in movie-making.

    The 'failure' of The Black Cauldron was pretty off-putting to the bigwigs, but thanks to The Great Mouse Detective being a hit, Disney went on to make films like The Little Mermaid, which kickstarted the Disney Renaissance and turned the company into the massive success it is today. So yeah, TGMD is a pretty important film.
  • edited October 2012
    I'm not arguing that.

    "Important for the Disney brand" is one thing.

    Quality of the story, memorability/catchiness of the music, and interest in the characters (esp. as compared to the Renaissance-era movies) is something else. EDIT: Oh... wiki says that The Great Mouse Detective competed almost directly with An American Tail. That's why it's been overlooked.

    I like An American Tail.
  • edited October 2012
    I do to. I prefer TGMD though.
  • edited October 2012
    On this one I'll go with American Tail. I'm a big fan of Don Bluth's style.
  • edited October 2012
    I admit, I don't know a whole lot about the original source material for The Sorcerer's Apprentice. But the film is so fundamentally different from the short on basically every level, the only thing they seem to have in common is the same VERY basic premise, and that cleaning scene in the middle of the live-action film that comes off more as a homage than anything.

    Also, if we really want to be technical, the movie is inspired by the ballad that was the inspiration for the symphony, not just the animation, although it did influence the movie (especially
    the ending, where you can see Yensid's hat
    ).

    Also, the movie got way more flak than it deserved. I for one didn't think it was a bad movie at all.
  • edited June 2013
    I'm just wondering but did anyone ever hear of the original version of Emperor's New Groove? We'll originally it was meant to be a Prince and the Pauper story called Kingdom of the Sun and it was meant to be more based on drama. Ymza in this version did not want to take over the empire but instead want to block out the sun because she thinks it will make her beautiful again. Pacha was meant to be a lookalike that would switch places with Kuzco and while Kuzco would still become a lama he would be unable to talk.

    There is a movie that Sting's wife (The person who wrote the songs was Sting) made about the development of the movie and the unfortunate news that they would have to remake the movie. I seen all this when i checked out Wikipedia's page on Emperor's new groove. Check it out :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Groove
  • edited June 2013
    An American Tail is my favorite film. Period.
  • edited June 2013
    An American Tail is my favorite film. Period.

    Definitely one of my top all time. I think I'll go with All Dogs Go To Heaven just slightly above it.
  • edited June 2013
    There is a movie that Sting's wife (The person who wrote the songs was Sting) made about the development of the movie
    Yes. I've seen it.
  • edited June 2013
    Me 2 I think what we got was the best outcome.
  • edited June 2013
    It was taken down but someone re-uploaded on Vimeo. I haven't watched the whole thing yet but the song Sting wrote for Ymza to sing in the first version was good. I do agree we got the better version though.
  • edited June 2013
    DAISHI wrote: »
    Definitely one of my top all time. I think I'll go with All Dogs Go To Heaven just slightly above it.

    I love it, but it ALWAYS bugs me that Don ripped the little girl character right out of the Rescuers.
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