Does Clem Influence Your Moral Decisions?

edited August 2012 in The Walking Dead
As Lilly was crying over Larry, screaming for help, Kenny was reasoning why we should kill Larry, I looked at Lilly and felt a deep sympathy for her. But I knew Kenny was right.

Being trapped in a room with a 6'4", 300 pound walker was too life threatening to ignore. Larry had to be stopped before he turned.

I just couldn't let Larry rise, as bad as I felt for Lilly. It was a gut wrenching decision but I did what I thought was right.

I tried to help Lilly revive Larry.

As much as my mind was telling me to help Kenny destroy Larry's brain, I didn't want Clem to grow up seeing how low humanity had come. I wanted her to know that there were still morals and hope, even in despair and desperation.

If Clem wasn't present, and I wasn't in charge of her, I'm not sure I would have made the same decision.

What about you? Does Clem influence your gameplay?
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  • edited August 2012
    I still would of sided with Kenny on this one, since Larry almost killed me and I saved his life in the first episode and that I had the decided to kill Larry I didn't even blink. In on other save I sided with Lilly just to see how the story plays out if I side with Kenny or Lilly. However Clem would of not changed my way I thought of it. Same went with the St John Brothers killed both as well.
  • edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    As Lilly was crying over Larry, screaming for help, Kenny was reasoning why we should kill Larry, I looked at Lilly and felt a deep sympathy for her. But I knew Kenny was right.

    Being trapped in a room with a 6'4", 300 pound walker was too life threatening to ignore. Larry had to be stopped before he turned.

    I just couldn't let Larry rise, as bad as I felt for Lilly. It was a gut wrenching decision but I did what I thought was right.

    I tried to help Lilly revive Larry.

    As much as my mind was telling me to help Kenny destroy Larry's brain, I didn't want Clem to grow up seeing how low humanity had come. I wanted her to know that there were still morals and hope, even in despair and desperation.

    If Clem wasn't present, and I wasn't in charge of her, I'm not sure I would have made the same decision.

    What about you? Does Clem influence your gameplay?

    No Clem does not influence my game play.

    I'm stuck on how you could side with Kenny on anything :)

    Mr. Chow has thought us that when you do blow sometimes your heart stops then starts back up again. Point is even know the heart stops that he is not dead.

    All kidding aside I can't see killing someone who is not dead. Yes Larry was having some medical issues, but to kill him? Besides Lilly, Lee, and the self proclaimed bad ass himself Kenny could have taken Larry had he turned to a Zombie.
  • edited August 2012
    In some situations yes, but in others, no. Clem was not the reason I tried to help Lilly or not loot the car. But it was because of her that I did not kill the St. John brothers.
  • mz3mz3
    edited August 2012
    don't worry about clem you can tell her this
    clem:is it over?
    lee:yes or....
    lee:He was already dead--I promise
  • edited August 2012
    mz3 wrote: »
    don't worry about clem you can tell her this
    clem:is it over?
    lee:yes or....
    lee:He was already dead--I promise

    Of course, but I think that Clem will keep that in her mind that you helped to kill Larry. I wouldn't be surprised if in the upcoming episodes she goes like "Lee, he/she turned into a zombie! Kill him/her!"
  • edited August 2012
    clem remembers some things but not too much in ep2 she remembers what you say in the barn, so in a familiar scenario she probably will remind lee or others about the past events..

    so i say look after her regardless..
  • edited August 2012
    Oddly, I thought Clem was supposed to influence the way you play so I always play to that end.

    The car I didn't loot because Clem wasn't feeling it.

    The Larry thing I did just to get in with Lilly. (And my dislike of Kenny)

    But other than that when I play as Lee I try to be straight arrow and not do things that would be a bad role model to the girl.
  • edited August 2012
    Clem's expression after hearing about spiders and hugging her after Larry headbash. Yep, the kid doesn't deserve bad childhood.
  • edited August 2012
    Warfolomei wrote: »
    Clem's expression after hearing about spiders and hugging her after Larry headbash. Yep, the kid doesn't deserve bad childhood.

    Too late.

    You remember that "death room" she had to go into in order to open the freezer door the group was trapped in.

    Been meaning to make a thread talking about that little experience and any impact it could potentially have on Clem if she appears in season 2.

    but my friends wouldn't like that
  • edited August 2012
    Too late.

    You remember that "death room" she had to go into in order to open the freezer door the group was trapped in.

    Been meaning to make a thread talking about that little experience and any impact it could potentially have on Clem if she appears in season 2.

    but my friends wouldn't like that

    you can discuss clem stuff in a clem thread like this one

    http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29661
  • edited August 2012
    Ah cool, I'll get around to it.

    Thank-you.
  • edited August 2012
    What death room ? There were no bodies, just blood and bottles easily mistaken for animal intestines. Lee smashed her babysitters head in (or not, if you chose calmer way out), or how about burning all those bodies in the motor in.
    Her sadness does make me want to reload saves sometimes ;_; Even though I try to stick with my decisions.
  • edited August 2012
    Warfolomei wrote: »
    What death room ? There were no bodies, just blood and bottles easily mistaken for animal intestines. Lee smashed her babysitters head in (or not, if you chose calmer way out), or how about burning all those bodies in the motor in.
    Her sadness does make me want to reload saves sometimes ;_; Even though I try to stick with my decisions.

    You didn't have to kill the baby sitter? Whoa..I had no idea.

    Well I call it death room cause of the amount of blood and all the tools. It's debatable. of course, but it struck me as a death room. If not that then at least extreme dismemberment.

    Oh, and also, I don't think Clem would mistake them for animal parts after having the fall out with eating Mark.
  • edited August 2012
    She was technically dead already, but you can hit her four times without smashing the head in on the fifth.. it was a nice touch.
    Mark was probably cut in the main house. Plus she was more afraid of seeing Danny that anything else.
  • edited August 2012
    I'm kind of mixed on this. I killed the brothers because I felt like they were too dangerous to live. But I didn't take anything from the car because of Clem.
  • edited August 2012
    Warfolomei wrote: »
    She was technically dead already, but you can hit her four times without smashing the head in on the fifth.. it was a nice touch.
    Mark was probably cut in the main house. Plus she was more afraid of seeing Danny that anything else.

    Oh oh..okay yeah I made that choice myself. I only hit the baby sitter the amount of times needed for her to stop moving. I was thinking of the kid and the effect it would have on her. So I know what you are talking about, was confused for a moment.

    Mark was cut in the house, I think there was blood in the tub and what not. But there is no doubt that they usually did the bulk of their "meat cutting" in that back room.
  • edited August 2012
    Yes,she has a good idea on how to survive for a young girl,and knew Lee was in trouble in the dining room.Thats why she gave him the hammer.The hammer was in the tree house.You need a hammer to build a tree house or in my day it was called a fort.
  • edited August 2012
    I don't get why this discussion is still going on!!!! -.-'

    It is impossible to revive a person who have died from an hearth attack with CPR alone! you need a defibrillator to kick start the heart, without it you can't revive a person who have had an heart attack, it's a scientific fact for crying out loud! -.-'

    So with that fact in mind, here are the options you have:

    (Larry dies of an heart attack)

    You either take out Larry before he reanimate and becomes a mortal threat to the group.

    You wait till he turns "just to be sure" and then try and take him out with a huge risk to the group (being stuck in a small space with a very big fresh zombie)

    or you wait for him to turn and kill you all.

    that's literately your options....
  • edited August 2012
    Larry was as good as dead. Tough decision to take him out? Sure.... Well not for me.. I sided with Kenny as soon as the option appeared.

    If Clem is going to survive then she needs to learn that tough decisions will have to be made to make that happen. No room for chances like that in the situation that we were in.

    So, I'd say no Clem does not influence my moral decisions. My decisions are the decisions made that I feel give us the best chance at survival.

    I killed the brothers
    Killed Larry
    I would have killed Jolene if she would have went any further but I didn't have to.
    And I took the food from the car.
  • edited August 2012
    For me the answer is both Yes and No.. At times..

    I sided with Kenny in the meat locker and smashed Larry's head with the salt lick for 2 reasons.
    1. Kenny was right, Larry would have been dangerous as a zombie in there.
    2. Larry punched Lee and left him for the zombies at the end of EP1. Payback!

    After I killed Larry and saw Clem's reaction, I did feel bad she saw that, possibly hurting the trust she has for Lee, but that wouldnt have changed my decision.

    I also killed one of the St.John bothers, in the barn with the pitchfork because they were going to kill and eat us.. I didnt even see Clem was there til after I killed him and she screams Noooo! If I had seen her standing there, I proably wouldnt have.

    I did let the other St.John brother live and left with the group, I figured all the walkers would get him anyways.

    I also looted the car regardless of Clems opinion. We needed the food and supplies, Lee is an adult, she's a 8yo lil girl. I (Lee) knows better.

    We are fighting to survive and the moral issues have very little if any place in this world.

    In addition, I personally consider Clem to be a burden to my Lee's survival!
    I like her well enough and I play this game intent on keeping her safe, but If I were given the option to leave her with Kenny and Katja and Duck, I would in a heartbeat.

    She's not my (Lee's) daughter, she is small and slow and every time she get's grabbed, it's Lee that must risk his life to save her.

    Yes, she brought Lee a hammer to help him kill the babysitter!
    Yes, she got the cane to help secure the door.
    Yes, she fit through the AC duct and opened the door.

    I realize she is not useless in certain cases, but overall when struggling to survive a zombie apocalypse I would much rather have someone who could hold their own than a hand I have to hold!

    Would I risk my life to save her? proably, yes. Depends on the moment!
    Would I sacrifice my life to save her? HELL NO!
  • edited August 2012
    I havent decided if my lee would die for clem or not, hes taking the father figure at the moment.
  • edited August 2012
    ruairi46 wrote: »
    I havent decided if my lee would die for clem or not, hes taking the father figure at the moment.

    respectable role. That's what I use as well.
  • edited August 2012
    Yeah im being straight with her in every situation and im never lieing to her, but I will kill anyone to defend the group. I told her that they need to die and I wasent sorry.
  • edited August 2012
    ruairi46 wrote: »
    Yeah im being straight with her in every situation and im never lieing to her, but I will kill anyone to defend the group. I told her that they need to die and I wasent sorry.

    I too am straight with her, I even picked the option to tell her that Lee killed a man. And that he was not a Zombie.

    But I couldn't bring myself to kill those two blokes. They were already down, and out, and were just baiting.
  • edited August 2012
    Humanity is already low as it is...and saving yourself and 3 others isn't really showing lack of compassion your fellow man, kenny was correct in acting fast, resuscitation has an incredibly low survival rate despite what movies say. Clem is still only a child and being indecisive in a zombie apocalypse would prove fatal, better teach her to be tough early on than sugar coat reality and end up dead
  • edited August 2012
    Have you seen Andy's expression if you answer with |Their not coming| damm that was heartbreaking. Being eaten by their own parent is a much crueler fate.
    BTW.. the conversation about killing the it\babysitter. Easy question, but the answers confused me ... Yes, would be the obvious choice .. I think so, is understandable... No someone else did is just confusing, because she was standing in front of you.
  • edited August 2012
    He was eating mark so I wanted to know that I ended his life. Karma's a bitch.
  • edited August 2012
    ... The dead are rising and eating the living, would you say its a retribution for something ?
  • edited August 2012
    Warfolomei wrote: »
    Have you seen Andy's expression if you answer with |Their not coming| damm that was heartbreaking. Being eaten by their own parent is a much crueler fate.
    BTW.. the conversation about killing the it\babysitter. Easy question, but the answers confused me ... Yes, would be the obvious choice .. I think so, is understandable... No someone else did is just confusing, because she was standing in front of you.

    "Something else did"

    Is reference to her "non human" state. you know eating people etc etc.
  • edited August 2012
    Yes, but she asked about IT, obviously a zombie and not the human babysitter.
    So what is she asking us and what do we really answer her ?
  • edited August 2012
    Warfolomei wrote: »
    Yes, but she asked about IT, obviously a zombie and not the human babysitter.
    So what is she asking us and what do we really answer her ?

    Not sure I follow you anymore.

    But um..I figure you gotta look at it from her 9 year old mind. That is maybe her first up close look at one of the zombies and doesn't understand what is going on.

    The answers is whatever choice you think is best when trying to explain the ZA to a 9 year old. Tough work.
  • edited August 2012
    Not sure I follow you anymore.

    But um..I figure you gotta look at it from her 9 year old mind. That is maybe her first up close look at one of the zombies and doesn't understand what is going on.

    The answers is whatever choice you think is best when trying to explain the ZA to a 9 year old. Tough work.

    Also if you keep in mind that in TWD world, Kirkman has said that there are no zombies in the culture. There have never been zombie movies and everything we would now about zombies, the characters would not know.

    That's why people think the zombie just to be crazy or sick.

    So it's explaining to a 8yo girl something our characters have no clue about either!
  • edited August 2012
    WowMutt wrote: »
    Also if you keep in mind that in TWD world, Kirkman has said that there are no zombies in the culture. There have never been zombie movies and everything we would now about zombies, the characters would not know.

    That's why people think the zombie just to be crazy or sick.

    So it's explaining to a 8yo girl something our characters have no clue about either!

    Did not know that. Been reading the comics and watching a little bit of the show and I never knew that. Where can I find that information?
  • edited August 2012
    Oooou, so it's one of those tell the truth or lie kind of answears. For me they just all sounded the same, but with a different context.

    Robert Kirkman explains this in the second episode of Talking Dead, a companion TV show that follows the new episode reruns on AMC:

    One of the things about this world is that people don't know how to shoot people in the head at first, and they're not familiar with zombies, per se," Kirkman said on Talking Dead. "This isn't a world the (George) Romero movies exist, for instance … because we don't want to portray it that way, we felt like having them be saying 'zombie' all the time would harken back to all of the zombie films which we, in the real world, know about.

    That's also why they call them "walkers," "roamers" and such. The word rarely used in the universe's lexicon (never in the show). The comic makes mention of the word in a joking context about how silly it is to call them Zombies; as well the game has the word used in chapter two when talking to on of the students met at the beginning.
  • edited August 2012
    imo kirkman was talking bullshit...

    a world with out a zombie culture? really ?

    lay off the crack pipe people...

    even with a zombie cultre there are still people who don't realise whats going on or what to do...
  • edited August 2012
    Korean walker: MOOOAAAAN
    Walt Kowalski: Yeah? I blow a hole in your face and then I go in the house... and I sleep like a baby. You can count on that. We used to stack fucks like you five feet high in Korea... use you for sandbags.
  • edited August 2012
    Kirkman also explained his stance on tneworldculture not knowing about zombies in the letter pages of the comics.
  • edited August 2012
    Which would explain why they call them "Walkers" rather than Zombies.

    I can't really say that Clementine has influenced my decisions, but I definitely feel responsible for her well being, she's a good character.
  • edited August 2012
    Did not know that. Been reading the comics and watching a little bit of the show and I never knew that. Where can I find that information?

    Try AMC.com or youtube. It was during a episode of Talking Dead in an interview. I always wondered too why in the TV series they never used the term 'zombie' ut it was answered by Kirkman in that interview.
  • edited August 2012
    WowMutt wrote: »
    Try AMC.com or youtube. It was during a episode of Talking Dead in an interview. I always wondered too why in the TV series they never used the term 'zombie' ut it was answered by Kirkman in that interview.

    Cool, I'll check it out. Thanks for making me hip.

    I wondered that too about the missing term Zombie. For some reason I thought it was a copy right issue or something.
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