Clem drowns, what do you do?

edited January 2013 in The Walking Dead
A lot can be said about Kenny and Lilly's loyalty to family members. They constantly put the group at risk and make decisions seemingly solely based on who they're related to sometimes, but what would you do?

Here's the hypothetical: Clem is drowning and you pull her out. She's not breathing and you can't feel a pulse.* You're trapped on a boat so you can't leave. Also, everybody in the group is weak from lack of food.

The group wants to kill her before she turns. You could try giving her CPR or back off and let them kill her. What do you do?

*Young children may have a mammalian diving reflex. When they are suddenly immersed in cold water less than 68F (20C), they can stop breathing, slow their heart rate dramatically, and shunt all the blood flow to the heart and brain. Though not common, these children may be resuscitated and return to normal function. Cases have been reported of survival, even after being underwater for an hour.
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  • edited August 2012
    Resuscitate, of course. Even if it was Duck.
  • edited August 2012
    Well.. A salt lick might dissolve in the water so I'd probably use a big brick or something like that. Maybe a crow bar or.......... the boat anchor, perfect!
  • edited August 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    Resuscitate, of course. Even if it was Duck.

    Admirable and brave. She could turn and bite your mouth off when you're giving her mouth to mouth. Then again, she could live. Bold gamble.
  • edited August 2012
    jaybreezy wrote: »
    Well.. A salt lick might dissolve in the water so I'd probably use a big brick or something like that. Maybe a crow bar or.......... the boat anchor, perfect!

    So you take the pragmatic choice and kill Clem. That's tough.
  • edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    Admirable and brave. She could turn and bite your mouth off when you're giving her mouth to mouth. Then again, she could live. Bold gamble.

    I would recommend a spotter, preferably helping to hold her down. Walkers aren't known for moving fast, even the cop had small movements prior to lurching to life.
  • edited August 2012
    Well, I'd have to shoot Kenny in case he decides to try any shenanigans, then perform the CPR.

    Worry about the rest later.
  • edited August 2012
    I doubt this thread will be popular. It's a hard choice, or maybe people just aren't interested, so before it's completely forgotten let me put this out there:

    I think it would be an interesting way to end the season.

    You choose to kill Clem then you have to live with that. You choose to save her, it's random if she turns or lives. You may get as close to a happy ending as possible or she turns and kills Lee.

    No matter what happened, what you choose, you wouldn't forget the end. I doubt Telltale has the guts to do this, though it would be epic.
  • edited August 2012
    I don't care if I have to leave the group. I'm getting Clem out alive, one way or the other.
  • edited August 2012
    I'd teach her to swim so she doesn't drown in the first place.
  • edited August 2012
    Gman5852 wrote: »
    I'd teach her to swim so she doesn't drown in the first place.

    well it might be too late in that situation.
  • edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    No matter what happened, you wouldn't forget the end. I doubt Telltale has the guts to do this, though it would be epic.

    I doubt anyone will forget the Mass Effect 3 ending any time soon, that doesn't necessarily make it a good ending though.
  • edited August 2012
    throw her overboard, shes the oceans problem now...
  • edited August 2012
    i'd kill kenny first before making a decision for good measure
  • edited August 2012
    really?

    duck and larry i understand, but lil cute innocent clem ?!

    i'd give her some arm bands or make sure she could swim first heck even going in with her just incase..

    if i had to do cpr i'd give her till i was exhausted and then if she turned just accept it my life is over i could never get over killing her regardless of reason..( a child doesn't need as much strength compared to an adult.. )

    so i'd leave it to the group if was in one then hate them all for ending her 'suffering'


    i'm sicken by you 'kill clem' people...
  • edited August 2012
    That's a tough choice, and a cool hypothetical. I'd try to save her, I know Lee would be seriously bummed if Clem died and he didn't try to help.
  • edited August 2012
    I don't think CPR requires you to give mouth to mouth anymore. I think you can get away with just chest compressions. Have someone hold her head and another 2 people hold her arms and legs and give chest compressions.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited August 2012
    First I punch Kenny in the balls or hit him with the nearest hard object i can find. then I resuscitate clem. If Clem bites me my last act is shooting the shit out of the rest of the gang.
  • edited August 2012
    feel bad as I watch her sink into the deep and make sure I get her share of what food is left!
  • edited August 2012
    Tie Kenny up and drape him over the side of the boat then have Lily watch Clem for twitching and have Carly hold her head back. I love ya Clem but you can't have my lips
  • edited August 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    Resuscitate, of course. Even if it was Duck.

    That is what I would do too.
  • edited August 2012
    IN REAL LIFE?
    Kill the girl. I would kill my own mother if it meant saving others.
    IN TWD?
    Save.
    Save.
    Save.
    Save.
    And then try multiple options 8)
  • edited August 2012
    Gennadios wrote: »
    I doubt anyone will forget the Mass Effect 3 ending any time soon, that doesn't necessarily make it a good ending though.

    That's true. I think were mad that there was no epilogue also.

    And what I'm suggesting is a little different is there is way to live or even if you choose the risky route you can live. Shepard was a goner regardless.

    I don't know if that will make a difference. People hate to see beloved characters die. It does tend to upset them.
  • edited August 2012
    I don't think CPR requires you to give mouth to mouth anymore. I think you can get away with just chest compressions. Have someone hold her head and another 2 people hold her arms and legs and give chest compressions.

    It doesn't and in fact isn't recommended for adult heart attack patients. For children, especially near-drowning, it is needed.

    Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23884566/ns/health-heart_health/t/no-mouth-to-mouth-required-new-cpr-rules/
  • edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    It doesn't and in fact isn't recommended. But suppose Lee and no other people in the group know that...? And the space is too confined for other people to hold her down? There are other ways but it takes away from the dilemma. Just try to suspend judgement lol

    Lee is a college professor, and Kenny is a redneck.
    If your average forum going internet-ite knows... you can assume they know.
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    First I punch Kenny in the balls or hit him with the nearest hard object i can find. then I resuscitate clem. If Clem bites me my last act is shooting the shit out of the rest of the gang.

    Clem is dead or on the verge of death, do you really want to take the time to try to beat Kenny up? Clem may not have that kind of time.

    Maybe Lilly puts a shotgun to Kenny's head or if you helped Kenny kill Larry, she doesn't. That would suck! Some people would be going back to replay from episode 2 just to save Clem!

    Most wouldn't though because most chose to try to save Larry.
  • edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    It doesn't and in fact isn't recommended. But suppose Lee and no other people in the group know that...?

    The characters seemed to know that in regard to Larry.
  • edited August 2012
    indirect wrote: »
    Lee is a college professor, and Kenny is a redneck.
    If your average forum going internet-ite knows... you can assume they know.

    We were wrong though! haha
  • edited August 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    The characters seemed to know that in regard to Larry.

    Researching, I think there is some confusion and lack of knowledge on my part. So to clarify, for an adult having a heart attack, it's not needed. For a child that is near-drowning, it is needed.

    "In a major change, the American Heart Association said Monday that hands-only CPR — rapid, deep presses on the victim’s chest until help arrives — works just as well as standard CPR for sudden cardiac arrest in adults.

    "A child who collapses is more likely to primarily have breathing problems — and in that case, mouth-to-mouth breathing should be used. That also applies to adults who suffer lack of oxygen from a near-drowning, drug overdose, or carbon monoxide poisoning. In these cases, people need mouth-to-mouth to get air into their lungs and bloodstream."

    Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23884566/ns/health-heart_health/t/no-mouth-to-mouth-required-new-cpr-rules/
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    Clem is dead or on the verge of death, do you really want to take the time to try to beat Kenny up? Clem may not have that kind of time.

    Maybe Lilly puts a shotgun to Kenny's head or if you helped Kenny kill Larry, she doesn't. That would suck! Some people would be going back to replay from episode 2 just to save Clem!

    Most wouldn't though because most chose to try to save Larry.

    True Enough Carley can pull a gun on Kenny or Lily can. or both . Still I'm not going to try resucitation knowing Kenny might smash her head in. If he did I'd knock his ass down then kill Kaatja and Duck in front of him before killing him last.
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    True Enough Carley can pull a gun on Kenny or Lily can. or both . Still I'm not going to try resucitation knowing Kenny might smash her head in. If he did I'd knock his ass down then kill Kaatja and Duck in front of him before killing him last.

    well jesus.:eek: I mean yeah me too for sure but you dont type that out...darkness has to stay in the dark ;):p
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited August 2012
    well jesus.:eek: I mean yeah me too for sure but you dont type that out...darkness has to stay in the dark ;):p

    people have talked about doing much worse to duck. I didn't say kaatja and ducks demises would be slow and painful. But Kenny would learn in his last moments what he had done to l/mee. I don't trust kenny near clem at all anymore.
  • edited August 2012
    Next time there is a zombie apocalypse I am making a detour to the sex shop for a ball gag. What were we talking about again?
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited August 2012
    Bearcules wrote: »
    Next time there is a zombie apocalypse I am making a detour to the sex shop for a ball gag. What were we talking about again?

    I pray to Odin you mean that in a way of telling us to shut up.
  • edited August 2012
    CPR. Period. And IF she dies and "come back", take care of her MYSELF. But, I doubt there will be that option..
    Red Panda wrote: »
    I think it would be an interesting way to end the season.

    You choose to kill Clem then you have to live with that. You choose to save her, it's random if she turns or lives. You may get as close to a happy ending as possible or she turns and kills Lee.

    No matter what happened, what you choose, you wouldn't forget the end. I doubt Telltale has the guts to do this, though it would be epic.

    Well, is very TWD to fuck you mind like that isn't? You protect her, but she still dies in the end.. (-_-)> <(click)
    indirect wrote: »
    IN REAL LIFE?
    Kill the girl. I would kill my own mother if it meant saving others.
    IN TWD?
    Save.
    Save.
    Save.
    Save.
    And then try multiple options 8)

    The first in kick his mom off the boat!? xD Well, kill xP
  • edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    Researching, I think there is some confusion and lack of knowledge on my part. So to clarify, for an adult having a heart attack, it's not needed. For a child that is near-drowning, it is needed.

    "In a major change, the American Heart Association said Monday that hands-only CPR — rapid, deep presses on the victim’s chest until help arrives — works just as well as standard CPR for sudden cardiac arrest in adults.

    "A child who collapses is more likely to primarily have breathing problems — and in that case, mouth-to-mouth breathing should be used. That also applies to adults who suffer lack of oxygen from a near-drowning, drug overdose, or carbon monoxide poisoning. In these cases, people need mouth-to-mouth to get air into their lungs and bloodstream."

    Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23884566/ns/health-heart_health/t/no-mouth-to-mouth-required-new-cpr-rules/

    If children need mouth to mouth, I would quickly try to brace her mouth open with something so that she could not close her jaw in order to bite me. Barring that you could try forcing the mouth shut and forcing oxygen through the nose.
  • edited August 2012
    Immediately check for nearby salt-licks... Kill Kenny just to be safe... Save Clem. Hahaha.
  • edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    A lot can be said about Kenny and Lilly's loyalty to family members. They constantly put the group at risk and make decisions seemingly solely based on who they're related to sometimes, but what would you do?

    Here's the hypothetical: Clem is drowning and you pull her out. She's not breathing and you can't feel a pulse.* You're trapped on a boat so you can't leave. Also, everybody in the group is weak from lack of food.

    The group wants to kill her before she turns. You could try giving her CPR or back off and let them kill her. What do you do?

    *Young children may have a mammalian diving reflex. When they are suddenly immersed in cold water less than 68F (20C), they can stop breathing, slow their heart rate dramatically, and shunt all the blood flow to the heart and brain. Though not common, these children may be resuscitated and return to normal function. Cases have been reported of survival, even after being underwater for an hour.

    attempt everything to save her. Anyone tries to kill her, bullet in the head.
  • edited August 2012

    i'm sicken by you 'kill clem' people...

    She isn't real, its fine.
  • edited August 2012
    i'm sicken by you 'kill clem' people...

    "Excuse me Milo.. Could I talk to you over here in private. What's that?? Yeah, right over here... By this salt lick."
  • edited August 2012
    lol waiting for that...

    joking/not real aside

    ttg would be taking a huge risk killing any kid in a game.

    i don't understand why anyone would justify killing children turning/undead/dying or other wise..

    it's just plain wrong..part of my upbringing i guess..

    what are the mods view on it ??
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