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Larry Caul and Everett Ray Caul? Two dads or Two different Lily storylines

shmee78shmee78
edited October 2012 in The Walking Dead
I would love a confirmation from Telltale that there Game does not go completely with the Novel/Comic or we just dont know everything there is to know about Lily Caul. To me it does not make sense to change lily fathers name and story. Does anybody have any info on this topic or is it up in the air?
P.S. its a little wierd that Everett Caul is Lee's last name and Lily in the Novel had a boyfriend named Lee. ;)
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  • Red PandaRed Panda
    edited August 2012
    After Lilly's real Dad died, she kind of went crazy and started calling Larry Dad. He felt bad for her so he kept up the ruse.
  • ChristoasterChristoaster
    edited August 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    After Lilly's real Dad died, she kind of went crazy and started calling Larry Dad. He felt bad for her so he kept up the ruse.

    Are you fucking serious? So Lilly is just a crazy bitch like Jolene? Sigh...
  • Viner16Viner16
    edited August 2012
    Christoaster wrote: »
    Are you fucking serious? So Lilly is just a crazy bitch like Jolene? Sigh...

    I'm pretty sure he's joking.
  • ChristoasterChristoaster
    edited August 2012
    Viner16 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure he's joking.

    Well if he is. I would like to find the answer to the question for real.
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited August 2012
    Kirkman went against the game and created his own story for his characters
  • ZacTBZacTB
    edited August 2012
    Ja1862 wrote: »
    Kirkman went against the game and created his own story for his characters

    In my head this game is canon to the comics. 'Road to Woodbury' can go screw itself. I think Kirkman made a huge mistake, doesn't he realise how great this game is?
  • GreenpawGreenpaw
    edited August 2012
    Honestly, it seems like he's poking a bit of fun at the game. Everett dad? Lee boyfriend? Pfft. Why can't they just be connected? Is it really so hard for Kirkman to have one of his EXTREMELY minor character's back stories be in the hands of SOMEONE else?
  • Red PandaRed Panda
    edited August 2012
    Viner16 wrote: »
    Christoaster wrote: »
    Red Panda wrote: »
    After Lilly's real Dad died, she kind of went crazy and started calling Larry Dad. He felt bad for her so he kept up the ruse.
    Are you fucking serious? So Lilly is just a crazy bitch like Jolene? Sigh...
    I'm pretty sure he's joking.

    :D

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  • CooperalCooperal
    edited August 2012
    It could've been a switch to divert confusion from the protagonist and his family, with the Everett name. It could instead be viewed as an obscure fact that gives insight into some untraditional family background.

    Isn't the game supposed to be a similar but not quite parallel universe to the comic series? I've not read any of it.
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited August 2012
    ZacTB wrote: »
    In my head this game is canon to the comics. 'Road to Woodbury' can go screw itself. I think Kirkman made a huge mistake, doesn't he realise how great this game is?


    He probably saw all the hate mail on fb and thought screw this..

    He made the rite call as some people where sending him angry messages about the game, notsure how you can pretend this game is cannon... but what ever makes you happy I suppose.
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited August 2012
    I was just joking when I said that but thinking about it, it makes a lot of sense
  • shmee78shmee78
    edited August 2012
    PSB:
    Speaking of the novels, I recently finished The Rise of the Governor. And I understand the next book Road to Woodbury will focus on Lili, an infamous character from the comics. Will there be any tie-in to the game? Is there any chance Lili appear in future episodes of the game, for example?
    RK:
    There will definitely be a character named Lili in the game. Whether or not that ends up being the same character we know and love from the comic and the upcoming novel remains to be seen. But yeah, the new novel comes out in October and I’m excited about it. The novel series, the comic series, and the video game all are intertwined in the same universe. Keeping that continuity straight is something that’s been very important to me, and yeah, we’ll definitely see them continue to connect in a lot of interesting ways moving forward.
    Thats a interview with Kirkman from the Playstation Blog. I always understood that they were the same lily but Kirkman just stated that it might not even be the same character as in they havent made up their mind. Its real confusing and stupid, its either the same Character or not simple as freakin that.

    So does that clear up this mystery or does it add more bullshit to the Pile

    O i dont know if the spelling of Lili in the interview is a typo cause im pretty sure in game its Lily

    Here is the Link to the whole interview
    http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/08/22/the-walking-dead-9-minutes-with-robert-kirkman/
  • BlankCanvasDJBlankCanvasDJ
    edited August 2012
    It could just be that they're the same character but they were written by two different writers who forgot to compare notes on the last name?

    As for the boyfriend named Lee, that might be nothing at all. Kirkman has said before that he likes to re-use character names because he thinks it's more realistic to occasionally run into different people with the same first name.
  • OrenishiiOrenishii
    edited August 2012
    I think during the second Episode if you choose Lilly's side over Kenny's she begins to warm up to you which I do believe she takes a liking to Lee as her emotions pour out.

    Larry was Lilly's father - Episode two. When searching Larry's pocket for a coin one of them holds Lilly's mothers ring. It would be too odd for someone who is not her dad to be holding onto her mothers ring.

    As for Lilly's relative being named Everett, this could be a coincidence hinting maybe the two of them are going to hit it off.
  • LokiHavokLokiHavok
    edited August 2012
    Larry could be a nickname. Altho hard to trace on what would be the origin
    I mean Everett isn't exactly the most masculine of first names.
  • Hidan13Hidan13
    edited August 2012
    She should be the same character, as from Telltale's Blog:
    Lilly is the daughter of an Army man. She's no stranger to dealing with rough and tumble military men and can handle herself with ease in tough situations. She's headstrong but will always submit to her father Larry, a grizzled man with a history of heart problems. Fate will one day cause Lilly to play a large part in the life of Rick Grimes
  • LokiHavokLokiHavok
    edited August 2012
    Well. TTG said the game takes place in the comic canon. Not the subsequent novel. And if the novel is in the canon of the comic, then IMO it's a blunder on Kirkman's part. As the novel came after both.
  • HorrorGodHorrorGod
    edited September 2012
    lWhen RK said that the the Lilly in the game/comic may or may not be the same Lilly in the 2nd novel, that is just RK being RK. He is very secretive about his writing.

    If you read the comics and then read the first novel "The Rise of the Governor," you would appreciate the major curve ball you are given in the end of the book.

    If the Lilly in the 2nd novel is in fact the same Lilly from the comic/video game, I'm hoping all this "Two Names for Daddy" stuff gets squared out.

    After all, she only appeared in 3 issues of the comic. Not much backstory was given to her. But, she does play a HUGE part in those 3 issues.
  • YamiRazielYamiRaziel
    edited September 2012
    That question was my last post in the Lilly appreciation thread.

    Mods, can you merge most of the threads that dublicate? It's really difficult to keep track of anything with hundreds of threads about the same thing.
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited September 2012
    Imo kirkman probably saw all the hate mail on fb over this game he has got some as well even though he has nothing to do with the release and thought screw this..

    If thatt is the case nobody should blame him for telltales dropping of the ball.
  • YamiRazielYamiRaziel
    edited September 2012
    Kirkman has been receiving hate emails long before the game. If he hadn't then that would mean his story wasn't good. People constantly complain about the deaths of their favourite characters.
  • Master of AeonsMaster of Aeons
    edited September 2012
    Are you kidding? Open a Walking Dead issue and read the letters. Especially following a major death.
  • bazenjibazenji
    edited September 2012
    Lilly grew up raised by her gay dads and surrogate mother in the South. It explains why she fights so hard against society and is extremely defensive of her last remaining father.

    I'm not sure why no one has figured this out yet. They're not even being subtle about it.
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited September 2012
    Yes but they are all HIS choice, I doubt his happy about getting hate emails over something he has no control over - "Oi wtf is the episode not out yet, you and telltale suck!"

    I'm sure he just though "F-this" and is now trying to distance his comics from the game, I can't think of any other reason his blatantly going against what the games set out.
  • YamiRazielYamiRaziel
    edited September 2012
    Ja1862 wrote: »
    Yes but they are all HIS choice, I doubt his happy about getting hate emails over something he has no control over - "Oi wtf is the episode not out yet, you and telltale suck!"

    I'm sure he just though "F-this" and is now trying to distance his comics from the game, I can't think of any other reason his blatantly going against what the games set out.

    Well, the book isn't out yet so he might find a way to tie it up somehow... Dunno, we will have to wait until he tell us himself.
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited September 2012
    That's true
  • shmee78shmee78
    edited September 2012
    i believe Everett Caul died totally different than how Larry died. Everett died by locking Lily in a bus to save her and he was devoured by zombies. and for Larry well you know how he died. So totally 2 different characters.
  • Gman5852Gman5852
    edited September 2012
    Ja1862 wrote: »
    Imo kirkman probably saw all the hate mail on fb over this game he has got some as well even though he has nothing to do with the release and thought screw this..

    If thatt is the case nobody should blame him for telltales dropping of the ball.

    Yeah, that explains the million copies sold/endless praise from reviewers, he thought "screw that, the 12 year olds on facebook are right" and declared this game noncanon, brilliant idea.

    Ja1862 wrote: »
    I'm sure he just though "F-this" and is now trying to distance his comics from the game, I can't think of any other reason his blatantly going against what the games set out.

    I can, and it's rather simple. Telltale and Kirkman didn't communicate all that well, I remember some interviews about asking how much Kirkman was involved, and he was heavily involved at the begining, but then when he knew that Telltale knew what they were doing story wise, he stepped down to focus on the comics, its possible Telltale thought to put in Lilly after that, and Kirkman never knew, so he wrote his novel starring Lilly.
  • jaybreezyjaybreezy
    edited September 2012
    I'm sure the bus story is told to others by Lilly herself. So, isn't it possible that she made up the story to make her dad sound more like a hero rather than saying: "oh... my dad? Yeah.. He had a heart attack and his head was crushed by a redneck with a salt lick."
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited September 2012
    Unless the book clearly contradicts the game, I'm assuming Larry is a nickname.
  • Viner16Viner16
    edited September 2012
    Hopefully Kirkman finds a way to fix this up...

    Otherwise he has a giant plothole in his hands.
  • RedKoolLoopsRedKoolLoops
    edited September 2012
    I've not read the comics but according to most sources (reliable and otherwise) game Lilly is the same Lilly as from the comics.

    I was going over the Playing Dead videos and listening to them through and in one of the Q&A videos Sean Vanaman confirms that they are the same person.
    1:47 in the video.

    Whether or not this has changed with this new novel, I don't really know. And I guess the two Dads thing will remain a mystery until it's either cleared up via a statement or the novel is released.
  • XarneXarne
    edited September 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    After Lilly's real Dad died, she kind of went crazy and started calling Larry Dad. He felt bad for her so he kept up the ruse.

    rofl, omg you have to watch this guy, he's very tricksy
  • KeladisKeladis
    edited September 2012
    Maybe Larry Caul and Everett Ray Caul are brothers and Lily's mom divorced Everett and married Larry or hell maybe it was the other way around.

    So both was brother and both was lily's dad lol
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited September 2012
    Gman5852 wrote: »
    Yeah, that explains the million copies sold/endless praise from reviewers, he thought "screw that, the 12 year olds on facebook are right" and declared this game noncanon, brilliant idea.

    Didn't the sales drop lots after episode 1, I'm sure he makes much more money profit from the tv show merch than this/ plus with the big budget game coming I'm sure he won't care about diverting from the comics.


    I can, and it's rather simple. Telltale and Kirkman didn't communicate all that well, I remember some interviews about asking how much Kirkman was involved, and he was heavily involved at the begining, but then when he knew that Telltale knew what they were doing story wise, he stepped down to focus on the comics, its possible Telltale thought to put in Lilly after that, and Kirkman never knew, so he wrote his novel starring Lilly.

    Sorry what?!?!?!

    So when discussing the games story to Kirkman they added Lilly (an important character within the Walking Dead) last minute... um sure...

    Then they forgot to mention this to Kirkman that they are using his trade-mark characters, his own creations? Um... sure.

    So they decide to use Lilly, don't inform her creator, then make her back story up? um... sure

    Ok let's go over this ONE MORE TIME...

    1. They use a character created by kirman himsef without informing him?
    2. Create her own back story, again without informing the person who created and has trade-mark issuing laws on his own characters???
    3. They must be aware of the huge impact she makes within the comics, hence why they included her but decided it wouldn't matter adding her last minute while forgetting all the while to communicate this properly to Kirkman?

    THE GUY THEY WOULD HAVE TO RUN THIS ALL PAST IF USING HIS CHARACTERS.

    Yeah... sure you really are a moron be it the smartest one. lol
  • AceStarrAceStarr
    edited September 2012
    Just call him Larry Ray lol
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited September 2012
    That's actually a better suggestion then dumbo-Gmans theory. lol
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited September 2012
    Chances are good they had everything but the completed script before they even went to Kirkman - and even then it was probably a very concise outline of the characters/events. (Who is in it, who lives, who dies, their story, etc)

    You never try to sell an idea with what ifs and vague notions.
  • YamiRazielYamiRaziel
    edited September 2012
    I think they collaborated with Kirkman for the inclusion of Lilly. I recall seeing it in an interview somewhere. I think/hope things will be tied pretty well when the actual book is released.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited September 2012
    That's next month, right?
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