As I said, choices in this game doesn't matter. I don't even care what clem feels now since nothing will change as it has to follow the designed path.
Its good entertainment and you still get to have some influence, if you don't like it, discontinue playing, which you won't, when episode 4 comes through I'm sure you'll be saying the same shit hownits terrible even though you keep
Paying for it hahahah
Kirby, this was EXACTLY what I was thinking at the end of Episode 3!
In fact, I'm gonna take this even further: Clementine is totally in control of the whole operation, and has been from the beginning!
Add up the facts:
- Know any other 8-year-old kids who wouldn't be a cowering mess with soiled drawers after seeing what Clementine's seen? The only way this is possible is if she's on top of the whole situation every step of the way.
- Clementine made it clear that she almost took Lee out with a hammer when she first spotted him from her treehouse. Instead, she decided this was someone she could use for her own needs...and she has wrapped him around her little finger every step of the way since then.
- Every time Lee tells Clementine the truth, we hear "Clementine appreciated your honesty"...but Clementine has been completely dishonest about her radio, keeping her conversations 100% secret from EVERYONE.
- And how DOES she keep her walkie-talkie charged? Well, what was the story behind the broken flashlight? We never heard that its batteries were still in it...because they're not! Notice that the shards of the flashlight's glass were found right next to Clementine's chalk drawings? Ah-HAH!
- Speaking of the chalk drawings, whose pink chalk was that, making signs for the bandits on the wall, anyway? Of course, Clem lies that her pink chalk has "gone somewhere"...but WE know better, don't we? SHE dropped it at the gate when she was making the deliveries for the bandits!
- She's making sure to get rid of every annoyance: Carly was clearly a threat to her control over Lee, and had be be eliminated, so Clementine's planting evidence worked perfectly. Duck was her #1 annoyance, Clem couldn't stand him...and she didn't exactly shed a tear when Duck was out of the picture, did she?
- Clementine even convinced Ben to take the rap for her, and now Lee is silencing Ben...so she has that whole angle all sewn up, clever little thing that she is!
- Lee's dream of a Zombie Clem chomping into him is a clear indication that, deep in his heart, Lee knows Clem is not the sweet innocent girl she pretends to be.
- Clementine is in cahoots with Mr. Shadow/Silhouette Man, and probably has been since the very beginning.
- And lastly, WHERE did we see the very first walker, where was the very epicenter of this epidemic? Right near Clementine's treehouse, that's where! Did we ever SEE what Clementine was up to in that sordid treehouse of hers? No we did not!
Proof Positive: Clementine has been masterminding the whole crew, and is possibly behind the whole epidemic!
From past experience with the irony-deficient reading these forums, I probably should have placed big flashing lights and an "Irony Alert" sign on this post....
At first I was excited cause of the enthusiam as i thought you agreed with me. dont get me wrong, reading through put a smirk on my face however i hope everyone knows I am not being drastic here, i mean my main point that clem doesnt trust Lee is pretty logical. thanks for the laugh though
How many times has little Clem saved your ass and you can't trust her b/c she's been talking to some mysterious person?
First, she's 8.
Second, she's trying to see her parents, not kill you or screw you over.
There are a lot of other reasons besides trust for Clem not to talk, like fear, or misunderstanding.
If I were Clem, I'd worry about you. You're paranoid and talking about an 8 year old like she's capable of sophisticated planning and deception. That's crazy. That's what drove Lilly to kill.
lol following an 8 year old blindly isn't always a good idea and she's also saved herself by saving Lee, remember if Lee goes she goes. I think shes trustworthy though but would leave you for her parents if she had to choose...anyways the reason lily killed was because someone stole supplies...
At first I was excited cause of the enthusiam as i thought you agreed with me.
In fact, I had those points written up before I saw your thread, Kirby.
And I DO think that some of them (1,2,3,4,8,9) could absolutely be valid conclusions, even if others are over-the-top.
It just seemed like it would have been rude to have started a separate thread, given your topic here. Didn't mean to hijack it.
lol following an 8 year old blindly isn't always a good idea and she's also saved herself by saving Lee, remember if Lee goes she goes. I think shes trustworthy though but would leave you for her parents if she had to choose...anyways the reason lily killed was because someone stole supplies...
How has Lee followed her blindly? He's been calling the shots the whole time. He dragged her to Macon to search for his parents. I don't understand how you concluded this.
Um, why is Lee important to her survival? There was a whole group of people willing to take care of her. Even Christa and Omid took an interest in her safety. If Lee died, she would have plenty willing to step up.
She probably would leave you for her parents and who wouldn't? That's what she's supposed to do.
Lilly killed b/c she, ironically, needed control. She lost control trying to keep control. Just my theory. It's really a moot point.
Um, why is Lee important to her survival? There was a whole group of people willing to take care of her. Even Christa and Omid took an interest in her safety. If Lee died, she would have plenty willing to step up.
he took ALOT of interest when he saw clem, i bet he is a child molester
he took ALOT of interest when he saw clem, i bet he is a child molester
It seems much more it me that him and Christa have a child on the way (or are planning to), with the way he was enthusiastic that a child was able to survive, therefore making him be able to prove to Christa that it is possible to keep a child with the current apocalypse.
In fact, I had those points written up before I saw your thread, Kirby.
And I DO think that some of them (1,2,3,4,8,9) could absolutely be valid conclusions, even if others are over-the-top.
It just seemed like it would have been rude to have started a separate thread, given your topic here. Didn't mean to hijack it.
haha no problem and thanks. You honestly had me going until I read the footnote, not that I am stupid just that my faith in humanity has lead me to understand that some people actually are that stupid.
How has Lee followed her blindly? He's been calling the shots the whole time. He dragged her to Macon to search for his parents. I don't understand how you concluded this.
Um, why is Lee important to her survival? There was a whole group of people willing to take care of her. Even Christa and Omid took an interest in her safety. If Lee died, she would have plenty willing to step up.
She probably would leave you for her parents and who wouldn't? That's what she's supposed to do.
Lilly killed b/c she, ironically, needed control. She lost control trying to keep control. Just my theory. It's really a moot point.
Lee has in many ways followed Clem, not in a forcefull way obviously but almost every single time you move its clear through the choice options (if you chose them) that Lee always takes Clems opinion into consideration. She didnt get dragged to Macon... where else was she supposed to go? They got kicked off the farm and instead of walking they went with kennys family RV to Macon which was where they were heading.
Why is Lee important to her survival? Are you joking? Besides Omid and Christa MAYBE (we just met) I do not want Ben, Kenny, or Chuck taking care of clem for more than obvious reasons.
She would leave you for her parents but from what we have known she wouldnt just run away without letting him know... I mean clearly Clem has her priorities with number one being her parents but until than she knows Lee is the closest thing she has, I dont think she would leave him in the dust for her parents. I personally think that unless her parents didnt want to get on the boat and thus forcing her to make a decision (assuming one of them is alive ofcourse) she would stick with Lee
I kind of agree with you on lilly, but thats besides the point here.
- And how DOES she keep her walkie-talkie charged? Well, what was the story behind the broken flashlight? We never heard that its batteries were still in it...because they're not! Notice that the shards of the flashlight's glass were found right next to Clementine's chalk drawings? Ah-HAH!
That one almost passed, but that theory is flawed. :P First of all, the flashlight was an incandescent, handheld light (Jeeze, haven't they heard of LED lights?). Clem's radio probably took AA's, judging by the pack Doug offered her (Plus the size of her radio). The problem with the flashlight theory is, those lights usually take a 6 volt battery. You know, the HUGE ones. No go on the flashlight. :P
I know it's in good fun, but I had to correct you.
Maybe the walkie is like one of those flashlights that you shake to charge.
See if there is one plot hole in the whole game, I really dont care if its the radio. I know I sound like a hypocrite but i think you guys are thinking too hard about this. Who cares how the radio kept its power maybe Clem turned it off when she wasnt using it, it looks like a pretty legit wakie talkie so maybe it does get that range.
- Speaking of the chalk drawings, whose pink chalk was that, making signs for the bandits on the wall, anyway? Of course, Clem lies that her pink chalk has "gone somewhere"...but WE know better, don't we? SHE dropped it at the gate when she was making the deliveries for the bandits!
How many times has little Clem saved your ass and you can't trust her b/c she's been talking to some mysterious person?
First, she's 8.
Second, she's trying to see her parents, not kill you or screw you over.
There are a lot of other reasons besides trust for Clem not to talk, like fear, or misunderstanding.
If I were Clem, I'd worry about you. You're paranoid and talking about an 8 year old like she's capable of sophisticated planning and deception. That's crazy. That's what drove Lilly to kill.
- Speaking of the chalk drawings, whose pink chalk was that, making signs for the bandits on the wall, anyway? Of course, Clem lies that her pink chalk has "gone somewhere"...but WE know better, don't we? SHE dropped it at the gate when she was making the deliveries for the bandits!
- Clementine even convinced Ben to take the rap for her, and now Lee is silencing Ben...so she has that whole angle all sewn up, clever little thing that she is!
Clem isn't naive, she no doubt knows the guy is lying about her parents, but she wants to hope and that's why she hasn't told Lee.
What? How do you not understand that doesnt make sense. She completely trusts the guy and she thinks her parents are ok. The only reason she wouldnt tell Lee is because the guy on the radio told her not to or she doesnt trust him. Pick one.
What? How do you not understand that doesnt make sense. She completely trusts the guy and she thinks her parents are ok. The only reason she wouldnt tell Lee is because the guy on the radio told her not to or she doesnt trust him. Pick one.
She has said several times she knows it's "pretend". Right now, that guy isn't a threat to Clem, he's just a voice spinning fairy tales to a little girl who misses her mom. But I think she also knows Lee wouldn't like it ("you can't tell me what to do").
kirby, this was exactly what i was thinking at the end of episode 3!
In fact, i'm gonna take this even further: clementine is totally in control of the whole operation, and has been from the beginning!
add up the facts:
- know any other 8-year-old kids who wouldn't be a cowering mess with soiled drawers after seeing what clementine's seen? The only way this is possible is if she's on top of the whole situation every step of the way.
- clementine made it clear that she almost took lee out with a hammer when she first spotted him from her treehouse. Instead, she decided this was someone she could use for her own needs...and she has wrapped him around her little finger every step of the way since then.
- every time lee tells clementine the truth, we hear "clementine appreciated your honesty"...but clementine has been completely dishonest about her radio, keeping her conversations 100% secret from everyone.
- and how does she keep her walkie-talkie charged? Well, what was the story behind the broken flashlight? We never heard that its batteries were still in it...because they're not! Notice that the shards of the flashlight's glass were found right next to clementine's chalk drawings? Ah-hah!
- speaking of the chalk drawings, whose pink chalk was that, making signs for the bandits on the wall, anyway? Of course, clem lies that her pink chalk has "gone somewhere"...but we know better, don't we? She dropped it at the gate when she was making the deliveries for the bandits!
- she's making sure to get rid of every annoyance: Carly was clearly a threat to her control over lee, and had be be eliminated, so clementine's planting evidence worked perfectly. Duck was her #1 annoyance, clem couldn't stand him...and she didn't exactly shed a tear when duck was out of the picture, did she?
- clementine even convinced ben to take the rap for her, and now lee is silencing ben...so she has that whole angle all sewn up, clever little thing that she is!
- lee's dream of a zombie clem chomping into him is a clear indication that, deep in his heart, lee knows clem is not the sweet innocent girl she pretends to be.
- clementine is in cahoots with mr. Shadow/silhouette man, and probably has been since the very beginning.
- and lastly, where did we see the very first walker, where was the very epicenter of this epidemic? right near clementine's treehouse, that's where! Did we ever see what clementine was up to in that sordid treehouse of hers? No we did not!
Proof positive: clementine has been masterminding the whole crew, and is possibly behind the whole epidemic!
from past experience with the irony-deficient reading these forums, i probably should have placed big flashing lights and an "irony alert" sign on this post....
She has said several times she knows it's "pretend". Right now, that guy isn't a threat to Clem, he's just a voice spinning fairy tales to a little girl who misses her mom. But I think she also knows Lee wouldn't like it ("you can't tell me what to do").
I still dont understand your full thought but Im just saying the man on the other end of the radio is 100% not a good guy, I think thats pretty clear. And yea he is a threat to clem... telling her lies and manipulating her to not tell lee OR that her parents are alive, imply he doesnt have the best intentions for clementine.
Of course he's a bad guy. Clem knows that too (she almost dropped a hammer on Lee), but she wouldn't consider a disembodied voice an immediate threat; she'd rather pretend her parents are alright for now.
Who says she's agreed to do anything for him yet? Lee caught the transmission where he was asking for something.
The "Pretend" talks she told Lee about may have been just to throw him off. If he saw Clemmy using the radio, without an explanation, he might assume it works again and destroy her plan. I can see why she said that, as the radio might have been working this entire time. We don't know when they actually started having conversations.
As for the battery and radio thing I used to resurrect this thread with: I know it's just a game, but I like to knit-pick the silly stuff. Another poster mentioned, somewhere, the same things as a silly point. How they don't eat, use the bathroom, etc. We just don't see it and assume it happens. The battery thing... I just mentioned that because Doug states that batteries are pretty scarce. Where are they coming from? :P Yay, knit-picking!
In retrospect, now that I think about it, because of her radio, Clemmy might be the reason batteries are becoming scarce. :O If that's the case, then Clemmy is a thief, to boot.
The only way that TT can make this game even darker is that Clem and the unknown man are in league with each other.
That would be interesting. Lee wakes up in a bathtub, filled with ice, missing his kidneys, with a note taped to his chest. "Call a doctor. Now." Oh, shi--
That would be interesting. Lee wakes up in a bathtub, filled with ice, missing his kidneys, with a note taped to his chest. "Call a doctor. Now." Oh, shi--
:eek: Bahahahahahahahaha
wow. I love it.
Seriously I hope that they don't go the pedo way with the storyline and the guy on the other end of the walkie talkie..I think that would be crossing the line by a lot.
Seriously I hope that they don't go the pedo way with the storyline and the guy on the other end of the walkie talkie..I think that would be crossing the line by a lot.
TTG already crossed one line. I, like many of us, thought Duck was an annoying character. Just for his naivety, and some of his actions in the past that caused us trouble, I was about ready to see him go. Unfortunately, in this episode, they made him a likeable character. I had one of those, "Uh... wait a minute, what's going on here? Why is "Robin" making me smile in this scene?" kind of moments.
Yeah, I had a bad feeling after that. When the Walker fell on Duck and Kat, I kind of had an, "Oh, no...." feeling. When it was revealed that it was his time to go, I was pretty upset. TTG does some weird, yet amazing, stuff, sometimes.
TTG already crossed one line. I, like many of us, thought Duck was an annoying character. Just for his naivety, and some of his actions in the past that caused us trouble, I was about ready to see him go. Unfortunately, in this episode, they made him a likeable character. I had one of those, "Uh... wait a minute, what's going on here? Why is "Robin" making me smile in this scene?" kind of moments.
Yeah, I had a bad feeling after that. When the Walker fell on Duck and Kat, I kind of had an, "Oh, no...." feeling. When it was revealed that it was his time to go, I was pretty upset. TTG does some weird, yet amazing, stuff, sometimes.
I didn't think that Duck getting bitten and needing to be put down was over the line. In the new world no one is safe from zombies.
I guess the pedo theme to me would go across the line because it would be a human related issue. I mean...we gotta deal with that shit in real life. Since we are suspending reality by having a zombie apocalypse let that be the killer of children and not our real world issues.
I didn't think that Duck getting bitten and needing to be put down was over the line. In the new world no one is safe from zombies.
I guess the pedo theme to me would go across the line because it would be a human related issue. I mean...we gotta deal with that shit in real life. Since we are suspending reality by having a zombie apocalypse let that be the killer of children and not our real world issues.
I agree, however, real world issues are so much more emotional since we can relate to them. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Clemmy to end up that way, but this is a Grimdark game. Other fictional entries deal with that scenario, too, so I wouldn't put it past the game play in any way, shape or form.
I get a sense of innocence from Clemmy that seems like it's a needed factor for the game. Clem keeps us going, without going into too much detail, and we actually need that. It keeps the drive alive. If something of that nature were to happen to Clemmy, I see the players and game play of the game taking a drastic turn. That's usually a bad thing, especially for popularity.
This "could" happen, but I doubt it will. Dat sequel...
I dont think tt has gone over the line at all, and if you do please go watch some rated r horror movies like SAW or play other M rated games. I think a huge part of it is the graphics too, I love them but when you see a guys leg being chopped up the blood is just animated.
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Yes, right on both accounts.
Have you ever seen a child psychopath?
Meet 6 1/2 year old Beth. Clem seem anything like her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-Re_Fl_L4
Its good entertainment and you still get to have some influence, if you don't like it, discontinue playing, which you won't, when episode 4 comes through I'm sure you'll be saying the same shit hownits terrible even though you keep
Paying for it hahahah
At first I was excited cause of the enthusiam as i thought you agreed with me. dont get me wrong, reading through put a smirk on my face however i hope everyone knows I am not being drastic here, i mean my main point that clem doesnt trust Lee is pretty logical. thanks for the laugh though
And I DO think that some of them (1,2,3,4,8,9) could absolutely be valid conclusions, even if others are over-the-top.
It just seemed like it would have been rude to have started a separate thread, given your topic here. Didn't mean to hijack it.
okay...that was funny...can't stop laughing....
he took ALOT of interest when he saw clem, i bet he is a child molester
It seems much more it me that him and Christa have a child on the way (or are planning to), with the way he was enthusiastic that a child was able to survive, therefore making him be able to prove to Christa that it is possible to keep a child with the current apocalypse.
haha no problem and thanks. You honestly had me going until I read the footnote, not that I am stupid just that my faith in humanity has lead me to understand that some people actually are that stupid.
Lee has in many ways followed Clem, not in a forcefull way obviously but almost every single time you move its clear through the choice options (if you chose them) that Lee always takes Clems opinion into consideration. She didnt get dragged to Macon... where else was she supposed to go? They got kicked off the farm and instead of walking they went with kennys family RV to Macon which was where they were heading.
Why is Lee important to her survival? Are you joking? Besides Omid and Christa MAYBE (we just met) I do not want Ben, Kenny, or Chuck taking care of clem for more than obvious reasons.
She would leave you for her parents but from what we have known she wouldnt just run away without letting him know... I mean clearly Clem has her priorities with number one being her parents but until than she knows Lee is the closest thing she has, I dont think she would leave him in the dust for her parents. I personally think that unless her parents didnt want to get on the boat and thus forcing her to make a decision (assuming one of them is alive ofcourse) she would stick with Lee
I kind of agree with you on lilly, but thats besides the point here.
That one almost passed, but that theory is flawed. :P First of all, the flashlight was an incandescent, handheld light (Jeeze, haven't they heard of LED lights?). Clem's radio probably took AA's, judging by the pack Doug offered her (Plus the size of her radio). The problem with the flashlight theory is, those lights usually take a 6 volt battery. You know, the HUGE ones.
I know it's in good fun, but I had to correct you.
Down with the citrus child.
See if there is one plot hole in the whole game, I really dont care if its the radio. I know I sound like a hypocrite but i think you guys are thinking too hard about this. Who cares how the radio kept its power maybe Clem turned it off when she wasnt using it, it looks like a pretty legit wakie talkie so maybe it does get that range.
Um...
Ben admitted to being the traitor
WOOSH
Fanky's got that covered:
Carley was in charge of finding flashlights. She doesn't like diodes.
What? How do you not understand that doesnt make sense. She completely trusts the guy and she thinks her parents are ok. The only reason she wouldnt tell Lee is because the guy on the radio told her not to or she doesnt trust him. Pick one.
Being a woman you think Carley would have been familiar with how batteries work.
She has said several times she knows it's "pretend". Right now, that guy isn't a threat to Clem, he's just a voice spinning fairy tales to a little girl who misses her mom. But I think she also knows Lee wouldn't like it ("you can't tell me what to do").
*detective duck theme*
I still dont understand your full thought but Im just saying the man on the other end of the radio is 100% not a good guy, I think thats pretty clear. And yea he is a threat to clem... telling her lies and manipulating her to not tell lee OR that her parents are alive, imply he doesnt have the best intentions for clementine.
Who says she's agreed to do anything for him yet? Lee caught the transmission where he was asking for something.
Called it right here, right now.
As for the battery and radio thing I used to resurrect this thread with: I know it's just a game, but I like to knit-pick the silly stuff. Another poster mentioned, somewhere, the same things as a silly point. How they don't eat, use the bathroom, etc. We just don't see it and assume it happens. The battery thing... I just mentioned that because Doug states that batteries are pretty scarce.
In retrospect, now that I think about it, because of her radio, Clemmy might be the reason batteries are becoming scarce. :O If that's the case, then Clemmy is a thief, to boot.
That would be interesting. Lee wakes up in a bathtub, filled with ice, missing his kidneys, with a note taped to his chest. "Call a doctor. Now." Oh, shi--
:eek: Bahahahahahahahaha
wow. I love it.
Seriously I hope that they don't go the pedo way with the storyline and the guy on the other end of the walkie talkie..I think that would be crossing the line by a lot.
TTG already crossed one line. I, like many of us, thought Duck was an annoying character. Just for his naivety, and some of his actions in the past that caused us trouble, I was about ready to see him go. Unfortunately, in this episode, they made him a likeable character. I had one of those, "Uh... wait a minute, what's going on here? Why is "Robin" making me smile in this scene?" kind of moments.
Yeah, I had a bad feeling after that. When the Walker fell on Duck and Kat, I kind of had an, "Oh, no...." feeling. When it was revealed that it was his time to go, I was pretty upset.
I didn't think that Duck getting bitten and needing to be put down was over the line. In the new world no one is safe from zombies.
I guess the pedo theme to me would go across the line because it would be a human related issue. I mean...we gotta deal with that shit in real life. Since we are suspending reality by having a zombie apocalypse let that be the killer of children and not our real world issues.
I agree, however, real world issues are so much more emotional since we can relate to them. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Clemmy to end up that way, but this is a Grimdark game. Other fictional entries deal with that scenario, too, so I wouldn't put it past the game play in any way, shape or form.
I get a sense of innocence from Clemmy that seems like it's a needed factor for the game. Clem keeps us going, without going into too much detail, and we actually need that. It keeps the drive alive. If something of that nature were to happen to Clemmy, I see the players and game play of the game taking a drastic turn. That's usually a bad thing, especially for popularity.
This "could" happen, but I doubt it will. Dat sequel...