Its like I say when people compare the tv show with the comics, they're such different mediums its hard to say which one is better. I dont think one is better than the other, they each give you a different experience.
The comics altogether contain way more content than the tv show and the games, so I think it's really too early/unfair to compare all of the mediums. I do enjoy some of the mediums better than others for their own reasons. For example, I like that the tv show spent a lot more time developing Shane's character, and that his character had much more of an impact on Rick's character development in the show than in the comics. The conflicting morality dilemmas and character chemistry between Rick and Shane in the show, esp. in season 2, are probably my favourite things about the show. All mediums of The Walking Dead are awesome (except the social game, I hate it), but I enjoy Telltale's game, the show, and the comics more than the other mediums for their own reasons, imo.
This is rather difficult to vote on for me really. The comics have much more of it, so it has good moments, but the game is really short, but the majority of it are really good moments.
I guess I'll pick between the highlights of both and go with that.
Comics:Governor hands down, but that was way to long to count it as a "moment" so I'll go with
Tyesonn's decapitation by his hands up until the final fight/escape
Game:Again not hard to pick,
The entirety of episode 2 from seeing Mark's remains... WHILE HE IS STILL ALIVE, all the way to the final fight with the St John's
... Bah I can't pick, why can't there be an option for that?
Is it? Based on all the shock and mental anguish the character turn over is causing, I dont find it surprising that people are coming here from TV and dont even know where the source material is coming from.
That's probably the path the majority of gamers got here, esp the Carely mourners
Is it? Based on all the shock and mental anguish the character turn over is causing, I dont find it surprising that people are coming here from TV and dont even know where the source material is coming from.
That's probably the path the majority of gamers got here, esp the Carely mourners
To me it sounded like he read the comics though. Preferring the show to the comic is the surprise. I loved the show until I read the comic.
To me it sounded like he read the comics though. Preferring the show to the comic is the surprise. I loved the show until I read the comic.
I didnt even finish season 1; it felt weak but I figured if this was worth basing a show off, the comic must be 'ok'... I was pretty much hooked after my 1st hr of reading
To me it sounded like he read the comics though. Preferring the show to the comic is the surprise. I loved the show until I read the comic.
I watched the show, read the first compendium all the way through, love the show even more. I think the show improves on some things, like as was mentioned above, Shane's role and his relationship with Rick. Now that the show is seemingly getting more in line with the comic, I think and hope more people will be happy with it.
I agree in part. Shane was put to better use. But the show is too heavy on filler, especially in Season One.
I dont find it particularly heavy on filler, just kind of measuredly paced to reflect the comic which, you have to admit, has a lot of time where nothing of consequence is happening. I understand that people have lot less patience with that kind of thing in a tv and movie format. It never bothered me. Ive always enjoyed the character development and story and considered the action and violence as icing.
I love the TV show, I adore the comic book and I can't stop playing the game. Still you can't really compare them. It's like comparing music to movies to paintings.
Even though the TV show and the comic book are following the same story, they go different routes and explore different ideas. I love how the TV show made some weak points in the comic book, very prominent and strong. However, Daryl must die. He's getting too awesome and it starts feeling as if he has fan favourite-armor. I'm pretty sure he will die in season 3.
I like the characters and the actors there better.
How? The TV show is basically the comic storyline if you remove any sort of motivation for the characters' actions and make everyone act like a moron.
They wrote some great characters from the comics entirely out of the story (the show is poorer for Tyrese's absence, and they wasted so much potential with Sophia), they added in a couple filler characters that did nothing, they took some of the best characters from the comics and made them insufferable (Dale and Andrea being the worst case of this, though it's also pretty annoying that they made Hershel so soft, and the show's Carol is just awful), and they kept Shane alive for way longer than they should have. Season two had plenty of problems, but Shane's impact on the farm arc is what really made it irredeemable.
Plus the change in Shane's death (removing Carl from the equation) takes out one of the coolest scenes in the series, and makes Carl far less likeable. Paired with the show's decision to make Carl a stupid kid, he comes off as completely useless in the show.
Plus the change in Shane's death (removing Carl from the equation) takes out one of the coolest scenes in the series, and makes Carl far less likeable. Paired with the show's decision to make Carl a stupid kid, he comes off as completely useless in the show.
And also leaves out another brilliant scene once Rick discovers that everyone is infected, so he decides to go back and dig up his old friend just so he can kill him again.
Add the series so you're not just being one sided.
Done. Unfortunately, I can't sort the options anew without expressly manipulating the poll.
For me, the game beats the comics hands down. After reading the first compendium, I don't even have any interest in the TV series (which I'd only watch for that nice guy from "Love Actually" anyway).
Done. Unfortunately, I can't sort the options anew without expressly manipulating the poll.
For me, the game beats the comics hands down. After reading the first compendium, I don't even have any interest in the TV series (which I'd only watch for that nice guy from "Love Actually" anyway).
Andrew Lincoln, glad he finally broke into the American market it's very rare for English tv actors.
The tv show was a bit slow season 2, with scenes like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFOQZ6Sr_dI cut out and boring over dramatic soap opera pieces kept in, leaves you wonder why...
How so? The TV Show is as much about survival as the comics. Is there a deeper motivation I am unaware of?
I disagree that Shane's death came way too late. For someone who read the comics first and then watched the show, it may seem like that, because people seem to expect too much that the show follow the exact same events like in the comic, even if that was never supposed to be the case. Having watched the TV show first, Shane's death in the comics felt really anti-climatic, and his whole character seemed like a caricature. Whereas Shane in the show had a legitimate gripe with Rick's leadership, Shane's entire motivation that lead him to getting killed in the comics was "Hey, the government'll save us! I wanted to bang your wife but then you came back, now die!"
But I got over it, because the Shane in the comics is not the Shane from the TV show. Personally I liked Dale in the show better too; the whole romantic sublot with Andrea seemed weird to me.
One of the most compelling aspects of The Walking Dead comic was watching Generic Good Guy Rick being slowly but completely ruined by a lawless world....but it's not that way in the show: TV's The Walking Dead had Shane survive two full seasons, and that was a mistake. He was cast as the reckless bad boy antihero from the start, and...watching his descent from amoral to evil just wasn't compelling TV.
In adapting the comic, The Walking Dead writers decided to split the Rick character up into Good Guy Rick and Bad Guy Shane, and had them bounce off of each other, rather than having one single character wrestle with opposing moral concepts.
TV Dale, I'm sad to say, was just boring. He brought the show grinding to a halt every time he opened his mouth, and even if he made sense at the time, or served some higher moral purpose, the end result was always the same: poorly written lectures about vague morality. TV Dale was the perfect excuse for the writers to tell instead of show.
Two differences in the prison arc between the two though. No Tyreese for Rick to butt heads with to drive him crazy, and the big reveal of the series (WE are THE WALKING DEAD!) has been missed. What's there to really mess with Rick after that? Is it just the war?
It's too early to really tell for me since I'm only half way through the comics,haven't seen the show and the game isn't over yet either with at least another season of the game to come also.I adore the comics and the game.
Still, the paragraphs you quoted assume that Rick will not experience any sort of personal change in morality, even though the death of Shane and the ending of season 2 -- Rick establishing himself as the leader of the group ("This is not a democracy.")-- I think point otherwise.
That was an A-1 moment for me. I was really cheering Rick on there. Now we can see how he leads things without Shane thwarting him at every turn.
Two differences in the prison arc between the two though. No Tyreese for Rick to butt heads with to drive him crazy, and the big reveal of the series (WE are THE WALKING DEAD!) has been missed. What's there to really mess with Rick after that? Is it just the war?
I guess so, but I have no idea how well that'll play out. You know they're going to have to tone the conflict (and to an extent, the Governor) down or it'll be too over-the-top for basic cable.
Also, keep in mind that so far we've had two seasons that each covered the length of one volume/six issues of the comics. The prison arc was six volumes long. They can't possibly drag it on in the show for six seasons, so things are going to be cut out, and events are going to happen much faster. And I can't believe that I'm concerned about the pace of the show becoming too fast after they just dragged out the farm arc for half a season longer than they should have.
Still, the paragraphs you quoted assume that Rick will not experience any sort of personal change in morality, even though the death of Shane and the ending of season 2 -- Rick establishing himself as the leader of the group ("This is not a democracy.")-- I think point otherwise.
Keep in mind that I took that all out of context to illustrate the problems I had with the characters. There's a bit more that explains how it should get better without them.
But now Shane is dead...and now they have no choice but to make Rick actually grow as a character! They're going to be forced to continue Shane's antagonist role within Rick himself, rather than having him sit on Rick's shoulder in a little devil costume and whisper cartoonishly evil suggestions in his ear, like he has been.
And if Shane was Rick's cartoon devil, then Dale was the fisherman's-hat-clad angel on Rick's opposite shoulder. With not one, but both of them gone, the entirety of Rick's conscience has to be internalized -- you know, like a normal human being and not a man-shaped glob of Protagonist Brand Mayonnaise. So while I know that it looks like they killed off two of the more interesting characters on the show, take heart in that it was all in the purpose of giving us one really great one later.
I like the TV show Shane much better than the comic book one. Also Robert Kirkman himself said in the latest comic book issue
that comic book Glenn had turned into a shadow of the TV show Glenn that's why he had to die. The TV show has both stronger and weaker points than the comic book.T-Dog/Tyreese is definitely one of the weak ones.
RE: Carl on TV; I don't think they would go there vis a vis Shane/Carl.
The TV show had the misfortune of having Frank Darbont as the show runner. I know he loves the genre and whatnot but he just wasn't up to it. Too bad Vince Gilligan wasn't available.
The show can't really match the visual power of the comics, so dark and just this side of surrealist in the art. There aren't many TV directors who could. Maybe it's simply a matter of budget.
I'm not surprised the TV fans don't rate the comic as highly. It's often the same way with people who see the remake before the original.
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Wow. That's really surprising.
I guess I'll pick between the highlights of both and go with that.
Comics:Governor hands down, but that was way to long to count it as a "moment" so I'll go with
Game:Again not hard to pick,
... Bah I can't pick, why can't there be an option for that?
Is it? Based on all the shock and mental anguish the character turn over is causing, I dont find it surprising that people are coming here from TV and dont even know where the source material is coming from.
That's probably the path the majority of gamers got here, esp the Carely mourners
To me it sounded like he read the comics though. Preferring the show to the comic is the surprise. I loved the show until I read the comic.
I didnt even finish season 1; it felt weak but I figured if this was worth basing a show off, the comic must be 'ok'... I was pretty much hooked after my 1st hr of reading
I watched the show, read the first compendium all the way through, love the show even more. I think the show improves on some things, like as was mentioned above, Shane's role and his relationship with Rick. Now that the show is seemingly getting more in line with the comic, I think and hope more people will be happy with it.
1. Game.
2. Tv show.
3. Comics.
I dont find it particularly heavy on filler, just kind of measuredly paced to reflect the comic which, you have to admit, has a lot of time where nothing of consequence is happening. I understand that people have lot less patience with that kind of thing in a tv and movie format. It never bothered me. Ive always enjoyed the character development and story and considered the action and violence as icing.
Even though the TV show and the comic book are following the same story, they go different routes and explore different ideas. I love how the TV show made some weak points in the comic book, very prominent and strong. However, Daryl must die. He's getting too awesome and it starts feeling as if he has fan favourite-armor. I'm pretty sure he will die in season 3.
How? The TV show is basically the comic storyline if you remove any sort of motivation for the characters' actions and make everyone act like a moron.
They wrote some great characters from the comics entirely out of the story (the show is poorer for Tyrese's absence, and they wasted so much potential with Sophia), they added in a couple filler characters that did nothing, they took some of the best characters from the comics and made them insufferable (Dale and Andrea being the worst case of this, though it's also pretty annoying that they made Hershel so soft, and the show's Carol is just awful), and they kept Shane alive for way longer than they should have. Season two had plenty of problems, but Shane's impact on the farm arc is what really made it irredeemable.
And also leaves out another brilliant scene once Rick discovers that everyone is infected, so he decides to go back and dig up his old friend just so he can kill him again.
Done. Unfortunately, I can't sort the options anew without expressly manipulating the poll.
For me, the game beats the comics hands down. After reading the first compendium, I don't even have any interest in the TV series (which I'd only watch for that nice guy from "Love Actually" anyway).
Andrew Lincoln, glad he finally broke into the American market it's very rare for English tv actors.
The tv show was a bit slow season 2, with scenes like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFOQZ6Sr_dI cut out and boring over dramatic soap opera pieces kept in, leaves you wonder why...
It's not even about the comparison to the comics, though I admit that it doesn't help much. As much as I hate to cite Cracked.com as a source, Robert Brockway pretty much said what I think about Shane and Dale better than I ever could have.
That was an A-1 moment for me. I was really cheering Rick on there. Now we can see how he leads things without Shane thwarting him at every turn.
I guess so, but I have no idea how well that'll play out. You know they're going to have to tone the conflict (and to an extent, the Governor) down or it'll be too over-the-top for basic cable.
Also, keep in mind that so far we've had two seasons that each covered the length of one volume/six issues of the comics. The prison arc was six volumes long. They can't possibly drag it on in the show for six seasons, so things are going to be cut out, and events are going to happen much faster. And I can't believe that I'm concerned about the pace of the show becoming too fast after they just dragged out the farm arc for half a season longer than they should have.
Keep in mind that I took that all out of context to illustrate the problems I had with the characters. There's a bit more that explains how it should get better without them.
The TV show had the misfortune of having Frank Darbont as the show runner. I know he loves the genre and whatnot but he just wasn't up to it. Too bad Vince Gilligan wasn't available.
The show can't really match the visual power of the comics, so dark and just this side of surrealist in the art. There aren't many TV directors who could. Maybe it's simply a matter of budget.
I'm not surprised the TV fans don't rate the comic as highly. It's often the same way with people who see the remake before the original.