People are huge hypocrites!!!
When episode three came, everybody was complaining on how they hated ben and wanted him to die. They failed to realize he was trying to help the group. Episode four comes along and ben tries to sacrifice his life. 78% of people saved him instead.
During the first two episodes, people were complaining how duck was a burden to the group. Episode three comes and everybody is depressed because duck died.
Why do people act this way??????
During the first two episodes, people were complaining how duck was a burden to the group. Episode three comes and everybody is depressed because duck died.
Why do people act this way??????
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For one, I hated Larry, the only thing that dissapointed me about his death was that I couldn't do it myself then drop trou and lay a steamer down his neckhole.
I also really liked Duck, I have a nephew that makes Duck seem like a lovable miniature Einstein by comparison. I also never blamed Ben for the bandit attack (though I wish I could have gut-punched him for abandoning Clem like he did).
What you're seeing isnt necessarily 'everyone' being hypocrites, it's just a very diverse set of opinions by a large group of people.
These positions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. For example, there's a difference between wanting Ben dead, and murdering the kid yourself... People like to keep their hands clean, I guess. Ditto for Duck dying off - was he a burden to the group? Absolutely. That doesn't make it any less sad that the poor kid had to bite it, even if the group's better off with him gone.
Like Lee says to Clem at the end, Ben's a good kid who has made some mistakes. He didn't do anything purposely to hurt anyone (unless he's secretly an evil genius). I nearly threw him off the train, but that was just to scare him.
Besides, he's another possible person to join you at the end.
Turning our backs on our group will just end in everyone dying.
Had to actually think it through, though. I was shocked. Great writing does that.
Agreed!
Ben is a clutzs but he means well. I've never gone in for the 'kill ben' ranting. Out of all the characters he is probably the most relatable. We all wish we could be a Lee-type character (or Molly) but face facts; in that sort of situation we would probably act more like Ben.
Easy now. I never said I didn't like Duck and Ben is at the bottom of the bell tower receiving a traitor's reward.
That is also why this forum keeps some people around...
Saved Ben as well by the way.
Honestly, I was going to drop him, but then I heard Clem saying, "We don't leave friends behind. :mad:" and I pulled him up.
I've always liked Ben. He's a coward sometimes, but he means well, and I'm not about to let him die because of past mistakes. Killing him isn't going to bring Duck and Katjaa back.
There comes a point at which Ben becomes such a huge liability that having him around at all is a detriment to the group AKA the hatchet incident. He may mean well, but he is an idiot and hurts the group badly.
Exactly. His stupidity could've gotten EVERYONE killed, and his cowardice put Clem at risk on several occasions, especially in the street.
Define 'Traitor'.
Noun:
A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.
I'd like to add on that by Betrayal, they mean for purely malicious reasons. Ben probably saved their LIVES by making deals with bandits in exchange for keeping them safe. Otherwise, well, let's just say, there probably wouldn't have been an Episode 3, or 4, or 5. At least not with the same cast, cause they'd be, kinda, you know, like.. Dead?
BTW, when you don´t like somebody you kill him? Wow.
Pretty much how I see it; I may not like myself for it, but at the end of the day, if one guy is repeatedly putting the entire group at risk, it might be time to send that guy packing.
As the old saying goes, a chain's only as strong as its weakest link, and Ben's proven to be a pretty damn weak link.
It's not for not liking him. It's because he's a MAJOR LIABILITY to the group. He can't perform the simplest of tasks. He puts everyone else in danger. It's a survival situation, not just a day at the office.
Posted almost simultaneously. Agreed.
You make is sound as if killing his is the only way to expel him from the group. It's a faulty dilemma.
I can agree with everything you say and it still doesn't necessitate I kill him.
In theory, I could kick him out of the group or just leave the group, as two other possibilities.
Ben killed a lot of people and endangered others, so the group was right to vote. Clem wanted Ben to stay, and Lee isn't going to cross her over that. It's more important to Lee to keep Clem intact than it is to punish Ben. If Kenny wants to vote against Ben, that's fine.
At the time Ben was endangered, no decision had been reached on him, so he was part of the group and it was right to save him if I could.
I'm a man of my word. Now Ben owes me his entire life.
I'm actually glad for the hypocrisy in this case. Because if you think about it, despite the animosity or disgust these people feel for Ben, they're willing to save his life despite their personal feelings.
I was quite happy when statistics show over half of people chose to save Ben. It makes feel a lot better about the human race. I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to people and this kind of gives me newfound optimism. So if a ZA were ever to occur at least I still know that there's people out there willing to reach out to their fellow man.
With that guy's survival skills, if he leaves the group, he is as good as dead.
And honestly, it's easy to get caught up in the emotions behind saving him vs. letting him go. However, when you're in a situation like that, you've got to consider the safety of the group and the girl that you are protecting and whose life you are responsible for.
The other factor that doesn't really come into account is that Carley/Doug's death as well as Kat and Duck's are fresh in the group's mind. I know that it is an unintended side effect of the episodic format, but would as many people be as forgiving if they played the series for the first time all in a row?
I dropped Ben, but only because he asked me to. I mean it. If he hadn't looked me right in the eye and begged for his heroic sacrifice, I would have pulled him up without hesitation. I also would have let Kenny smash his face in a little. Can't let him completely off the hook.