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Do you think Larry was dead when he had the heart attack?

crysisnovacrysisnova
edited January 2013 in The Walking Dead
I know Larry was loud and annoying, but I thought it was pretty funny to see him pissed anyway. I liked Larry, he was interesting as a character; and I liked the fact that someone in my group would blackmail me if I took one misstep...

What do you think, was he dead before his head was crushed?

I think Lee was still able to save him, Larry would have permanant brain damage if Lee didn't do anything within 4 minutes. Plus, no one had a phone and call 9-1-1...
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  • HiggsBoson2142HiggsBoson2142
    edited October 2012
    It's speculated either Lilly/Lee revived him or Larry re-animated as a walker just before Kenny crushed his head because his mouth started to move. Even though I helped Kenny, I believe he was revived by Lilly. I don't walkers come back that quickly.
  • NeolivesNeolives
    edited October 2012
    I made the decision to help Lilly and it seem like he was going to make it.

    Right before he gets hit with cube, you can see him moving his mouth almost like he was regaining consciousness
  • SodawasserSodawasser
    edited October 2012
    From a realistic medical point of view he was probably dead. Every heart attack which someone already had, weakens that heart. Larry already had some. Than he fell immediately in a coma and the heart stopped beating -> during "normal heart attacks" it doesn't. (must have been a very strong or lethal one) Last but not least old people like Larry normally don't survive a cardiac massage if they don't gain medical support afterwards.
    Kk.. Maybe this is a too realistic point of view; probably Telltale just want that we don't know the answer :P
  • thestalkingheadthestalkinghead
    edited October 2012
    the definition of dead changes with no doctors about, so in that context i believe he was dead
  • Phoenix VIIPhoenix VII
    edited October 2012
    Realistically, he was dead the moment his heart stopped in a room without a defibrillator but, IIRC, in one of the Playing Dead episodes the TTG folks said that the scene was meant to be ambiguous.
  • ThePaSchThePaSch
    edited October 2012
    Phoenix VII wrote: »
    Realistically, he was dead the moment his heart stopped in a room without a defibrillator
    You don't shock a flatline. So scratch that "realistically". :D
  • FoinikasFoinikas
    edited October 2012
    I wanted to think yes but I really think he was alive...
  • ViserViser
    edited October 2012
    Honestly, I'm not sure. I went for Lilly straight away because I couldn't help Kenny kill the guy without knowing if he was dead for sure, and Lilly's pleading for help really got to me (amazing voice-acting not only on that scene, but on the whole game, by the way).
    But that could've gone either way. I think Kenny made the wrong call by being too hasty, but I'm kinda glad we didn't have to find out if Larry was dead or not.
  • WrightyWrighty
    edited October 2012
    I honestly dont know. He already had one before so his heart was already weak and i dont think CPR restarts a heart. But in the end, i think risking the entire group on it is stupid.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited October 2012
    Depends on how severe it was, he might have been unconscious...
  • marcu5marcu5
    edited October 2012
    all i know is this, they gave those who chose to save larry an animation of larrys mouth responding to the CPR

    was he a zombie? don't know, me personally, i think he was alive. however, if he was a zombie, kenny could have waited that millisecond it would have taken to confirm it before dropping the salt lick on his head.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited October 2012
    His blood sprayed.... blood only sprays if your heart is pumping.......
  • thestalkingheadthestalkinghead
    edited October 2012
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    His blood sprayed.... blood only sprays if your heart is pumping.......

    lilly said he has no pulse, she would have had first aid training in the army and also because of her dads condition, the blood sprayed because of the pressure the salt lick put on his skull
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited October 2012
    Ummm... no.

    And as for the pulse, just because she didn't find one, didn't mean he didn't have one. It depends on where she checked, and the strength of said pulse.
  • thestalkingheadthestalkinghead
    edited October 2012
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    Ummm... no.

    And as for the pulse, just because she didn't find one, didn't mean he didn't have one. It depends on where she checked, and the strength of said pulse.

    umm yeah, as i said she would know how to check a pulse
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited October 2012
    Again, no. It may have been too faint for her to feel. Or in her condition she might not have checked it correctly. She was upset at being trapped in a freezer, having eaten one of her people's legs "and" her dad having a heart attack.

    Ultimately it doesn't matter. He was fucked anyway, even if he wasn't dead at that moment.
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited October 2012
    Without a defribrilator, his medication, or a doctor in the room I was willing to take the chance of him coming back. Now if Katjaa had been in there, I would have had her check him over for a bit just to make sure, but when there's no way to know for sure I'd rather pick "definately safe" over "possibly sorry" any day. I really didn't think he had a chance.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited October 2012
    You're more trusting than I am. I'd have dropped that block on him in a heartbeat. Larry was a ticking 6'6" walking time bomb waiting to turn walker as is.

    Gah, could you imagine what he'd be like as a zombie with all that raw strength he has?
  • NinnuendoNinnuendo
    edited October 2012
    Get in there early enough and his mouth and eyes open and he takes a sharp breath, and is instantly squashed. Seemed pretty obvious to me that he was alive, no moaning, no glazed eyes.
  • FollowLillyFollowLilly
    edited October 2012
    thestalkinghead wrote: »
    lilly said he has no pulse, she would have had first aid training in the army and also because of her dads condition, the blood sprayed because of the pressure the salt lick put on his skull

    2 things about that:
    1. who knows how long ago Lilly took her basic training and how much she remembers
    2. just because Larry had a heart condition, doesnt mean Lilly was prepared for it. For all we know, Lilly and Larry may have rarely met with each other before the ZA.


    anyways, it depends on your perspective of what happened
    If you look at it from the perspective of the realm of fiction, CPR is about 90% effective on patients, so hed probably be alive
    In terms of reality though, I think CPR is only about 10-20% effective, so in that case, hed most likely be a zombie
  • thestalkingheadthestalkinghead
    edited October 2012
    Ninnuendo wrote: »
    Get in there early enough and his mouth and eyes open and he takes a sharp breath, and is instantly squashed. Seemed pretty obvious to me that he was alive, no moaning, no glazed eyes.

    don't think his eyes open he just moves his mouth
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited October 2012
    Well, I asked a practiced nurse and she said that it's possible to revive a heart attack patient with CPR. Then again, she also said she would have dropped the salt lick on his head as soon as he hit the ground, so yeah.
  • thestalkingheadthestalkinghead
    edited October 2012
    Rock114 wrote: »
    Well, I asked a practiced nurse and she said that it's possible to revive a heart attack patient with CPR. Then again, she also said she would have dropped the salt lick on his head as soon as he hit the ground, so yeah.

    yeah like its possible to win the lottery or flip a coin and land on heads 100 times in a row
  • Phoenix VIIPhoenix VII
    edited October 2012
    ThePaSch wrote: »
    You don't shock a flatline. So scratch that "realistically". :D
    You're right. Poor Larry.:(

    Anyway, yeah, dropping the salt lick on Larry is basically the only thing you should do unless you won lotteries consistently before the ZA, since there's no way Kenny and Lee could beat walker Larry without weapons.
  • skepticalguy90skepticalguy90
    edited October 2012
    FollowLilly wrote: »
    2 things about that:
    1. who knows how long ago Lilly took her basic training and how much she remembers
    2. just because Larry had a heart condition, doesnt mean Lilly was prepared for it. For all we know, Lilly and Larry may have rarely met with each other before the ZA.


    anyways, it depends on your perspective of what happened
    If you look at it from the perspective of the realm of fiction, CPR is about 90% effective on patients, so hed probably be alive
    In terms of reality though, I think CPR is only about 10-20% effective, so in that case, hed most likely be a zombie

    CPR is about 0% effective in the real world without a defibrillator.
  • ZeruisZeruis
    edited October 2012
    I actually thought that he was still alive. The last time he got a heart attack, Larry was even capable to talk to Lee in the drugstore. I thought he had a chance.
  • izzywozzyizzywozzy
    edited October 2012
    Telltale wants us to speculate, and their intention is to keep us wondering rather than give a definite answer.
  • Viner16Viner16
    edited October 2012
    Just moves his mouth.

    Your guess is as good as mine ;)
  • cormorancormoran
    edited October 2012
    Larry was dead the moment he punched my Lee to the ground in the pharmacy, he just didn't know it yet.
  • deleted45551884deleted45551884 Banned
    edited October 2012
    Hmm...I think he was.
  • CyreenCyreen
    edited October 2012
    Whether Larry was dead or alive is whichever decision you need to rationalize. Either way, he wasn't getting up again.
  • SodawasserSodawasser
    edited October 2012
    A defibrillator is useless if your heart stopped it can only reanimate you if you have a ventricular fibrillation.. If your heart really stopped only a CPR can help. (This things don't work that way you see it in films) I just had to right this because some people talked a lot of defibrillators here ;)
  • rachellouise85rachellouise85
    edited October 2012
    Wow. Look at all these experts. :D
  • ThePaSchThePaSch
    edited October 2012
    skepticalguy90 wrote: »
    CPR is about 0% effective in the real world without a defibrillator.

    Your statement is about 0% accurate.
    Defibrillators do NOT have anything to do with CPR or "restarting a stopped heart". They can't do that. Defibrillators defibrillate; when the heart is fibrillating, you shock it to stop it so the body's internal pacemaker can 'start from scratch'. If the heart already stopped, stopping it some more won't do anything.
  • skepticalguy90skepticalguy90
    edited October 2012
    ThePaSch wrote: »
    Your statement is about 0% accurate.
    Defibrillators do NOT have anything to do with CPR or "restarting a stopped heart". They can't do that. Defibrillators defibrillate; when the heart is fibrillating, you shock it to stop it so the body's internal pacemaker can 'start from scratch'. If the heart already stopped, stopping it some more won't do anything.

    CPR is rarely effective without further medical assistance which none of those characters could have provided. You may be right about the defibrillator, but the point is that CPR is still most likely ineffective in that case makes the point about the defibrillator moot.
  • ThePaSchThePaSch
    edited October 2012
    That is true; plus, a well executed CPR usually ends up cracking a few of the patient's ribs. And by a few, I mean quite a few. And that could lead to pneumionia without medical care (which, you are right, nobody could have provided), which, again, leads to death.
    Not to mention the intense pain.
  • alithanar8alithanar8
    edited October 2012
    quite frankly Larry was dead to me after the drug store, but I do honestly believe he had died from the heart attack
  • AwkwardlyNERDAwkwardlyNERD
    edited December 2012
    After performing CPR four times, you see his mouth move and he swallows, so no.
  • ScaevaScaeva
    edited December 2012
    Larry was clinically dead.

    His heart had stopped and he was not breathing.

    While there may have been a small possibility of resuscitating Larry with CPR, he wasn't going to survive without the benefit of immediate medical attention. He needed to get to an emergency room. Unfortunately for Larry, he was locked in a meat locker in a world where civilization had collapsed and hospitals no longer existed.

    Without the benefit of modern medicine Larry had no chance at survival even if he was resuscitated. He had a massive heart attack, which wasn't going to be cured with a few pills. He likely needed surgery.

    Check out the treatment options for someone who has suffered a massive heart attack:
    The patient needs to be rushed to the hospital so that the right kind of medication and techniques can be used. For immediate patient care, administering painkillers, CPR (administering jerks on the chest) or rescue breaths becomes essential. A patient is usually treated with the help of AED (automatic external defibrillator) in which shocks are administered to the heart so that it starts on its normal rhythm again. Other than that, a patient might also be put through a surgery to correct the blocks in the arteries and the like.

    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/massive-heart-attack.html

    Defibrillators and surgeries weren't options for Larry, even if (and that is a big IF) he could be resuscitated. Larry wasn't going to make it out of that meat locker, even if his face wasn't introduced to a salt lick.

    In short, he was a zombie waiting to happen and Lilly was in denial.
  • LauriNicoleLauriNicole
    edited December 2012
    Tell Kenny to lay off. Just hold a salt lick over his head and see if he reanimates. The moment he does, drop it on his head.

    Okay, that's not the best idea I've ever had.
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