In my game Kenny helped me through out every episode (obviously there were some non-player controlled actions such as him starting the argument in Ep.2) so therefore I declare that Kenny is a good guy. Also, it was completely Ben's fault for Doug/Carley, Duck, Brie, Larry, and Katjaa's deaths.
If you condem Kenny its because youre either A. not married with kids of your own or B. have no real life experience in truly life or death circumstances.
Larry was gonna kill Duck & tried to kill you.
In my experiences Kenny did what I would have expected and in my world Larry wouldnt have lived long enough to make it to the farm.
Not attacking anyone, just throwing it out there.
Well, as far as I know, out of everyone at the end of Episode 4 Kenny is the only one who will go with you no matter what, as long as you've had his back. Christa and Omid will always come if you reveal that you are bitten, but if you've had Kenny's back the whole way he'll come with you even if you hide the bite and insist that you go alone. Of course, I could be wrong on that, but from what I've seen, even if you've backed up everyone else as much as you could, they'll still let you go alone, or at least take some convincing. As long as you've had Kenny's back, he'll have yours without question, so that's good (IMO). Almost all of the time, he'll always say that he'll wait with the boat for you to come back, even if you've been bitten so long as you don't pick the "fuck you" option with him. Hell, in my save where it's only me and Kenny, he basically gave the boat to Christa, Omid, and Ben. He said that if we weren't back by sun down, the three of them should just take the boat and head for open water. Given that that was the only thing keeping him going by the end of Episode 3, seeing him give it up to two strangers and the person who was responsible for his family's death really made me respect the guy. Especially since, the boat having been completed and ready to set sail, going after Clem is most likely to result in his death. Even though he has no moral obligation to go than because it's the "right thing" to do. What can I say? I can't help but respect, or at least feel for, the guy in my game given the choices I've made.
I saved his son, 3 times (Farm, Larry, Dairy)
I saved his wife at the dairy
I saved him in Ep 4
His repayment is to not help with Clem. That's your "Good guy". Its dumb to say "Oh but he helped me" this isnt some Altenate Universe Kenny, its the same guy. He's fine until you go against him, then watch his true disloyal nature come out.
Id laugh my arse off if in Ep5, you take him with you & he betrays all you people who've taken his side. It is EXACTLY what he would do given the right circumstances.
Let me guess, you tried to save Larry? That right there says to him "Kenny, I care more about Larry, who punched me in the face and left me to die, than your family. I'm happy to risk them getting the worst kind of death to save an old douche who may be dead anyway." You also basically made him kill Larry by himself and this clearly makes Kenny extremely guilty which shows his conscience. He realises he looks like a monster now and probably feels like one to. All because you made the wrong choice
Let me guess, you tried to save Larry? That right there says to him "Kenny, I care more about Larry, who punched me in the face and left me to die, than your family. I'm happy to risk them getting the worst kind of death to save an old douche who may be dead anyway." You also basically made him kill Larry by himself and this clearly makes Kenny extremely guilty which shows his conscience. He realises he looks like a monster now and probably feels like one to. All because you made the wrong choice
No, he made the wrong choice. He has no excuse for turning on me after everything Ive done for him, before & after the meatlocker. He is the worst kind of person, a 2-faced prick that will stab you in the back with no remorse if its good for him.
Kenny is a total prick. He just leaves you hanging if you don't side with him all the fucking time. Well sorry Kenny, I just thought you're not always right, I'm so sorry.
Kenny is just the kind of guy that's gonna feed you to the zombies if he just can save his own ass with that. Wouldn't trust him a single inch.
After the "leaving you trapped under the door" I was done with him. When we went back to the hotel I was officially on team Lilly. Her dad was dead (tried to help him, but he was gone so I didnt have to put up with him anymore), she was opening up more.
Yeah, but I was already mad at how he acted because I woulnt help him kill Larry. Then he followed it up with that crap with the door. Not to mention, he keeps crap started. He argues with everybody.
When he started talking that mess, after you ask him to help find clem. I just told him to go f himself. Cant stand that guy. Its worst because Im almost sure his going to live, and Im going to die.
Freakin telltale.
If you condem Kenny its because youre either A. not married with kids of your own or B. have no real life experience in truly life or death circumstances.
Larry was gonna kill Duck & tried to kill you.
In my experiences Kenny did what I would have expected and in my world Larry wouldnt have lived long enough to make it to the farm.
Not attacking anyone, just throwing it out there.
35 have an x wife, 2 kids and 2 step kids. )Not going to get into the internet tough guy thing with "life or death circumstances") And I condemn Kenny with venom. Family isnt an excuse for weak moral character.
Some people are bros with Kenny, and some aren't. Some feel Kenny has accepted Lee and Clem into his family. I agree that if Kenny has accepted you as family, he'll back you up and even sacrifice for you.
However, look at how Kenny interacts with people who aren't in his circle. What if Christa/Omid are in trouble? What if they needed medicine but Kenny didn't need to go to Crawford because he had everything he needed for the boat?
Do you think Kenny would help Christa and Omid? No. Kenny is loyal to his own, and if you're outside that group, you're on your own, and you should probably watch your back.
In fact, with regards to the boat, Kenny made it clear that he's using everyone. They can all travel with him, but when they reach the boat, he sees it as his boat (even though everyone worked to get there), and everyone else will have to fight over spots. So, he uses the group to stay alive, but he's not loyal to them. He's not going to say "We can't go on the boat because not everyone will fit." He'll say "You have to stay behind because you don't fit on my boat."
If Kenny didn't have his family, he would be a bandit by now. He doesn't care about hurting people who are outside of his group or using people. He doesn't even care about hurting people who are inside the group, if they aren't in his inner circle.
So ... Kenny can be loyal but he's also a bad man who will do anything for his group, no matter what it does to others. He's only going to get worse now that he doesn't have a family to keep him in balance.
However ... for the people who have taken Kenny in as part of their family, they have provided some moral stability for Kenny. Kenny is willing to give up the boat to instead go for Clem, not because she's a little girl in trouble, but because she and Lee are part of his family. What little is left of Kenny's morality does not come from within, but from being part of a group and being watched by his group. When he's on his own, he leaves women to be eaten alive by zombies, and murders people he hates. If you're not part of Kenny's inner circle, he's a danger to you, because he has no sense of right or wrong beyond protecting his group.
Kenny is basically a gangster, loyal to his gang and a threat to others.
Let's all look on the bright side. In Episode 5, Kenny will: A) Die, or not be there at all. As someone from Team Kenny, I must say I wasn't happy about him coming with me to save Clem, so much as I was happy I'd get to see him die as a result of it. He said we were friends to the end, so I'm going to take that literally and have him die with me. After saving Clem of course.
says the guy with the x wife.
I find that ironically funny.
So tell me, you wouldnt have gone for your kid first?
You wouldnt have moved him to a safe place or tried to pass him off to his mom before heading back to the danger?
Really?
And where was Hershal while his son was in danger?
The event is scripted as it is, but if he would have run with the pitchfork in his hands to his son instead of going for a gun, well..
..Not going to get into the internet tough guy thing with "life or death circumstances" And I condemn Kenny with venom.
PC chair arbiters are a funny bunch.
Im referring to my time in combat where if its zombies or Op-For, it doesnt matter when your life and the lives of those depending on you are on the line.
I make the reference and I stand behind the statement because if you haven't ever been in a life or death situation, then you dont know how you'd really react.
Its easy to judge when you've no idea.
Ep 1 - He abandons Shawn, literally runs off, even though his child is safe
Ep 2 - He suggests you might be useful at lockpicking because you're "urban"
Ep 2 - He kills Larry as you're trying to save him
Ep 2 - He tells you he'll back you up handling Danny St John, instead he leaves you to die
Ep 3 - He causes a massive argument at the motel over leaving and is the root cause of the paranoia that leads to Carley, Duck and Katjaa dying.
Ep 3 - He once again leaves you to die as you're trapped under a door
Ep 3 - He drops you while trying to get on the truck
Ep 3 - He fucks you over by blabbing about the girl you kill/leave to die infront of Clem
Ep 3 - He tells you your criminal past will be a factor in getting a place on his boat
Ep 3 - He tells you to leave Lilly behind to die, both at the motel and on the road
Ep 4 - He drops you again when trying to escape up the fire escape.
Ep 4 - He wills you to let Ben die
Ep 4 - He refuses to help save Clem
He stands accused of hypocrisy, selfishness, racism, murder, alcoholism, cowardice, carelessness, trouble making, disloyalty and of being judgemental and uncaring.
Kenny defenders, make your case for the accused because I'd gladly use him as a zombie bait given his charge sheet.
Ep 1 - Well, you are right. That was one of Kenny's bad moments. But he was scared (I am pretty sure you would try to run away, too). Furthermore he tried to bring his son to a safe place.
Ep 2 - I helped Kenny, because I was scared of Larry. He would have killed us if he turned.
Ep 2 - He helped me with Danny, because I helped him with Larry. You probably tried to save Larry. That may be the reason why he did not help you.
Ep 3 - Hm, when was Lee trapped under a door? I cannot really remember. :eek::eek:
Ep 3 - He did not drop me on purpose. That is not a reason to hate Kenny.
Ep 3 - Clem did not hear Kenny, did not see?
Ep 3 - It actually makes sense. Lee's criminal past makes him dangerous for his family. I would rather save an innocent person than a murderer.
Ep 3 - Yeah, you are right. There was no reason to leave Lily at the motel, but he had a reason to leave her at the reason.
Ep 4 - It was an accident. He did try to save me, you know.
Ep 4 - He helps me with Clem, because I was pro-Kenny.
He tells you to go check on Danny and that he'll help if you run into trouble. He blatantly lies to your face and then leaves you to die.
It isn't a lie if you help Larry. He probably really DID intent to help you. I've seen the scene both ways, and when he leaves you, it looks like it's because he's afraid. He even comes out of the stall with the "I'm sorry, I fucked up" look on his face, rather than the "you handled yourself, didn't you?" kind of "fuck off" look he gives you if he leaves you under the door. Still, that puts him pretty much on the same boat as Ben because he lets his cowardice get the best of him if you try to save Larry.
there's no way you can judge Kenny because he is a fictitious character. All of his faults and actions are made by a team of programmers and developers. Just sayin'
I personally like Kenny, either way, I see why he did some of the things and the rest? It's called he panicked, don't tell me you haven't made some bad decisions when you were in a hurry or scared.
Oh well if he intended to help me then it's ok then. He can just apologise to the hole in my head caused by Danny and Charlotte.
I guess it's just because I count the reasons why people do stuff as really important. Everythign else he does, if you don't have his back, do make him a total asshole. Leaves you to die once with intent. Hates you for not agreeing with him. Wants to let Ben die in a fit of rage for his family (understandable in my mind, but still very wrong). Is willing to let Clem die based on his opinion of Lee. THAT would make me hate him if all that had happened to me on my first playthrough. Instead I got the bro-Kenny, so maybe I'm a bit biased because on the initial run of each episode he's always been cool to me and Clem.
And I'm sure he WOULD apologize afterward, just in time for Danny to swing around and shoot him
I have not always agreed with Kenny, and in some instanced been against him. He is still coming to help with Clem, but he is a grade A ass. My Lee had to practically beg him to help an 8 year old.
I am hearing a lot about well he couldn't be sure the farm was not surrounded. Well that is making an excuse for a cowardly act. He did not rationalize that he was going to protect his family therefore backing away to check for more Walkers or his wife. No, he let his fear take control of him and he ran away. That is pretty much the definition of coward. You can say it was a mistake but don't pretend it was the act of a man using courage to fight through his fear.
Kenny holds grudges over everything. I don't agree with my friends on everything. We have had heated disagreements before. But never would that stop us for looking out for each other in the face of another threat.
Ep 1 - He abandons Shawn, literally runs off, even though his child is safe
Ep 2 - He suggests you might be useful at lockpicking because you're "urban"
Ep 2 - He kills Larry as you're trying to save him
Ep 2 - He tells you he'll back you up handling Danny St John, instead he leaves you to die
Ep 3 - He causes a massive argument at the motel over leaving and is the root cause of the paranoia that leads to Carley, Duck and Katjaa dying.
Ep 3 - He once again leaves you to die as you're trapped under a door
Ep 3 - He drops you while trying to get on the truck
Ep 3 - He fucks you over by blabbing about the girl you kill/leave to die infront of Clem
Ep 3 - He tells you your criminal past will be a factor in getting a place on his boat
Ep 3 - He tells you to leave Lilly behind to die, both at the motel and on the road
Ep 4 - He drops you again when trying to escape up the fire escape.
Ep 4 - He wills you to let Ben die
Ep 4 - He refuses to help save Clem
He stands accused of hypocrisy, selfishness, racism, murder, alcoholism, cowardice, carelessness, trouble making, disloyalty and of being judgemental and uncaring.
Kenny defenders, make your case for the accused because I'd gladly use him as a zombie bait given his charge sheet.
I don't know what you're talking about, but Kenny always helped me. You probably was never loyal to him which is the reason why he left you to dry lol. In your game he seems useless, but in mine he's got my back.
I don't know what you're talking about, but Kenny always helped me. You probably was never loyal to him which is the reason why he left you to dry lol. In your game he seems useless, but in mine he's got my back.
Not even close. Kenny is devoid of any critical thinking skills and so is anyone who follows that peabrain. By this time most of us have saved his kid, have fed him, had his back against larry, listened to him and opened the barn door, killed andy for him, got his ass out of a meatlocker, saved his ass again at the motor inn and allowed his family to escape.
Loyalty? Pfffft. Kenny is a tiny little man and anyone who blindly follows that neanderthal is simply a gutless sheep with no ethics or integrity.
Kenny is the ultimate antithesis to Dale. Without any code of ethics, even in a zombie infested world, the breathers are nothing more than walkers themselves.
Not even close. Kenny is devoid of any critical thinking skills and so is anyone who follows that peabrain. By this time most of us have saved his kid, have fed him, had his back against larry, listened to him and opened the barn door, killed andy for him, got his ass out of a meatlocker, saved his ass again at the motor inn and allowed his family to escape.
Loyalty? Pfffft. Kenny is a tiny little man and anyone who blindly follows that neanderthal is simply a gutless sheep with no ethics or integrity.
Kenny is the ultimate antithesis to Dale. Without any code of ethics, even in a zombie infested world, the breathers are nothing more than walkers themselves.
Kenny is a liability, not an asset.
Well firstly Lee would be dead without Kenny. You could have been a complete douche to Kenny from the start and have not helped his son and he still would first give you a lift to Macon and then save youre life. So much for not having a code of ethics. Besides if Kenny was truly a cold hearted bastard, he would have shot and killed Ben by now.
And despite all the things you did before, you still made the stupid choice in the meatlocker. "Hey Kenny, I know I risked you and you're family's lives to save some old asshole who already left me for dead and who may already BE dead. I also know that you're family could have been eaten alive. I know i basically forced you into taking the initiative alone and smashing Larry's head in, something which will traumatise you forever. I know that will make you feel guilty as hell and Larry's face will probably haunt you for the rest of your life and you have no one to reassure you that you did the right thing. But jeez man, why dont you like me?"
And i dont follow Kenny blindly, he just happens to be right all the time which is pretty lucky, in fact the only thing i disagreed on was over Ben. I saved the guy responsible for his sons death and he still helped me. He is one of my greatest assets right now.
Not even close. Kenny is devoid of any critical thinking skills and so is anyone who follows that peabrain. By this time most of us have saved his kid, have fed him, had his back against larry, listened to him and opened the barn door, killed andy for him, got his ass out of a meatlocker, saved his ass again at the motor inn and allowed his family to escape.
Loyalty? Pfffft. Kenny is a tiny little man and anyone who blindly follows that neanderthal is simply a gutless sheep with no ethics or integrity.
Kenny is the ultimate antithesis to Dale. Without any code of ethics, even in a zombie infested world, the breathers are nothing more than walkers themselves.
Kenny is a liability, not an asset.
Save Shawn at the farm and side with Larry at the drugstore and guess what? Kenny comes back for you and saves your life even then. Plus, when the walkers began to overrun the drugstore he was the only one who took charge and got nearly everyone out of there alive. If Christa and Omid stay behind at the end of Episode 4, he'll give them and Ben (if he stayed as well) the boat he's wanted to get since Episode 2. The boat that was supposed to be for his family. The boat that they died, and he nearly died, trying to get to. He even says for them to take it and leave town if he and Lee aren't back by a certain time.
Killing Larry was horrrific. He didn't wake up that day and decide "I'm gonna smash the old fart's head in". The dude thought he was going to turn into a walker and kill everyone in the meat locker. Which results in the rest of the group dying horribly as well. While it will never be certain, there's a good chance that Kenny saved the entire group by dropping that salt lick. He'll also probably be seeing Larry's face, like Shawn's for the rest of his life.
Kenny, believe it or not, says some smart things. Taking the food? A no-brainer. Leaving the girl in the street? She was bitten and the group needed supplies. The reason he's a bit of an ass right now is because his entire family died in front of him about 1 day before Episode 4 started. Not only does he blame himself for their deaths, he also admits he feels terrible about Shawn too. The guy has 3 deaths weighing down on him, two of which are his wife and child.
Well firstly Lee would be dead without Kenny. You could have been a complete douche to Kenny from the start and have not helped his son and he still would first give you a lift to Macon and then save youre life. So much for not having a code of ethics. Besides if Kenny was truly a cold hearted bastard, he would have shot and killed Ben by now.
And despite all the things you did before, you still made the stupid choice in the meatlocker. "Hey Kenny, I know I risked you and you're family's lives to save some old asshole who already left me for dead and who may already BE dead. I also know that you're family could have been eaten alive. I know i basically forced you into taking the initiative alone and smashing Larry's head in, something which will traumatise you forever. I know that will make you feel guilty as hell and Larry's face will probably haunt you for the rest of your life and you have no one to reassure you that you did the right thing. But jeez man, why dont you like me?"
And i dont follow Kenny blindly, he just happens to be right all the time which is pretty lucky, in fact the only thing i disagreed on was over Ben. I saved the guy responsible for his sons death and he still helped me. He is one of my greatest assets right now.
Are you serious? Don't you know there is no choice but for Kenny to take Lee? That is how Telltale designed the game! So for you to say that Kenny still gave you a ride despite previous actions is without any force or effect.
ACode of ethics has nothing to do with Kenny taking Lee. Kenny has to take Lee PERIOD or the story comes to an end!
You say Kenny has been right about everything and that is clearly not true.
Even your failed argument that Lee is somehow stupid by attempting to exhaust all options before Larry must be killed shows a real lack of character. Was Larry zombified when Kenny murdered him? NO, Lee was doing CPR moments after his collapse when Kenny crushes his skull. To say this is stupid or a mistake is void of any logic. You dont kill as a choice, only as a last resort. I hope your family members never finds themselves on life support with your finger on the killswitch.
Yeah right, Kenny is such a great asset. He destroyed two lives in that meatlocker, you say he is always right? Your lack of ethics frighten me.
Did Kenny help Lee in the barn? NOPE. That coward sat on his ass in the stall while Lee and Lily took Danny out. Then he runs off and leaves Lee to save Kenny's wife inside the house. Good Job Kenny!
Then Kenny the genius approaches Andy (who has a shotgun) and gets shot point blank in front of his family. Lee then allows Duck to escape while he wrestles with Andy for the gun. Good job again Kenny.
Like I said, Kenny is a liability. Lee is the one who has been bailing out his lack of intelligence. Not the other way around.
Are you serious? Don't you know there is no choice but for Kenny to take Lee? That is how Telltale designed the game! So for you to say that Kenny still gave you a ride despite previous actions is without any force or effect.
ACode of ethics has nothing to do with Kenny taking Lee. Kenny has to take Lee PERIOD or the story comes to an end!
You say Kenny has been right about everything and that is clearly not true.
Even your failed argument that Lee is somehow stupid by attempting to exhaust all options before Larry must be killed shows a real lack of character. Was Larry zombified when Kenny murdered him? NO, Lee was doing CPR moments after his collapse when Kenny crushes his skull. To say this is stupid or a mistake is void of any logic. You dont kill as a choice, only as a last resort. I hope your family members never finds themselves on life support with your finger on the killswitch.
Yeah right, Kenny is such a great asset. He destroyed two lives in that meatlocker, you say he is always right? Your lack of ethics frighten me.
Did Kenny help Lee in the barn? NOPE. That coward sat on his ass in the stall while Lee and Lily took Danny out. Then he runs off and leaves Lee to save Kenny's wife inside the house. Good Job Kenny!
Then Kenny the genius approaches Andy (who has a shotgun) and gets shot point blank in front of his family. Lee then allows Duck to escape while he wrestles with Andy for the gun. Good job again Kenny.
Like I said, Kenny is a liability. Lee is the one who has been bailing out his lack of intelligence. Not the other way around.
how can you say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that but the bad things are because he is a bad character, so do you think lilly didn't do anything wrong when she killed Carley/Doug because the game made her do it?
seriously being locked in a small room with a zombie infected man that collapsed because of a massive heart attack that wasn't breathing and had no pulse is different to life support, larry was dead with no medical expertise or equipment, sure kenny could have waited a few minutes until he turned into a zombie but lilly could have been doing mouth to mouth at that point and larry would have killed her i am pretty sure larry and lilly wouldn't have wanted that
Are you serious? Don't you know there is no choice but for Kenny to take Lee? That is how Telltale designed the game! So for you to say that Kenny still gave you a ride despite previous actions is without any force or effect.
ACode of ethics has nothing to do with Kenny taking Lee. Kenny has to take Lee PERIOD or the story comes to an end!
You say Kenny has been right about everything and that is clearly not true.
Even your failed argument that Lee is somehow stupid by attempting to exhaust all options before Larry must be killed shows a real lack of character. Was Larry zombified when Kenny murdered him? NO, Lee was doing CPR moments after his collapse when Kenny crushes his skull. To say this is stupid or a mistake is void of any logic. You dont kill as a choice, only as a last resort. I hope your family members never finds themselves on life support with your finger on the killswitch.
Yeah right, Kenny is such a great asset. He destroyed two lives in that meatlocker, you say he is always right? Your lack of ethics frighten me.
Did Kenny help Lee in the barn? NOPE. That coward sat on his ass in the stall while Lee and Lily took Danny out. Then he runs off and leaves Lee to save Kenny's wife inside the house. Good Job Kenny!
Then Kenny the genius approaches Andy (who has a shotgun) and gets shot point blank in front of his family. Lee then allows Duck to escape while he wrestles with Andy for the gun. Good job again Kenny.
Like I said, Kenny is a liability. Lee is the one who has been bailing out his lack of intelligence. Not the other way around.
Saying a character did that because "thats how TT designed the game" isnt really a great argument. I could say that you can lose Kenny's loyalty and have him not help Clem because thats how the game was designed and doesnt reflect on his character at all. Is it Using some game evidence and then disregarding another piece because its how the game was designed just seems stupid.
And they could hardly wait until Larry was up and biting people before doing anything. The guy was freaking huge and the only safe and sensible time to kill Larry was before he reaminated. The guy was a freaking time bomb and if he died immediatly after the heart attack, then he was probably seconds from reaminating. It was a last resort. And i hope that never happens aswell, but I dont have any family members Larry sized. And i probably wouldnt be locked in a small room with my dieing family member anyway.
He destroyed one, ruined another and possibly saved the lives of literally everyone in the group. If Larry turned, four people probably die in the meat locker, two more are kept captive and possibly eaten and another two are approaching and have no freaking clue whats going on.
My Kenny helped me fight Danny, so i dont know what youre talking about :P
I wouldnt really blame him if he didnt, the guy had a gun and Kenny did not. And you had just made him do something which will haunt him for the rest of his life.
Andy was holding Duck hostage and Kenny was freaking the hell out. He was desperate to free Duck ASAP and thought he could rush Andy in time. I dont blame him, i could hardly imagine what its like, seeing you're son held at gunpoint by a sick twisted cannibal.
Kenny hasnt really done anything that makes me think he is stupid. When his family is not at risk, he thinks things through, like the girl situation and with the food, and makes the right call. When his family is threatened or have been recently killed, then he is less likely and i understand that totally.
All Kenny wanted to do was keep his family safe. Now they're gone.
And I made him shoot his own son who was going zombie. Shit! What was I thinking?! WHY? WHY DID I DO THAAAAT?!
That sums Kenny up. He accepts that you've helped him, but if you've gone against him then that is the deciding factor in him fucking you over. A guy that you could side with for months, but will turn on you regardless the moment you don't.
Selfish, disloyal, fickle, Kenny is the biggest threat to your group. That's why when I accidentally ended up with him in my group (thanks for the game-wiping bug Telltale), I stopped the game, replayed the scene and told him to fuck off. I don't want him, he causes nothing but trouble.
That sums Kenny up. He accepts that you've helped him, but if you've gone against him then that is the deciding factor in him fucking you over. A guy that you could side with for months, but will turn on you regardless the moment you don't.
Selfish, disloyal, fickle, Kenny is the biggest threat to your group. That's why when I accidentally ended up with him in my group (thanks for the game-wiping bug Telltale), I stopped the game, replayed the scene and told him to fuck off. I don't want him, he causes nothing but trouble.
Um do you mean when Kenny says "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?" about Molly? Because ive seen some pretty anti-Kenny playthroughs and i dont remember hearing that. And i was pretty sure that was dark humour. Huge difference between saying something like that and actually doing it. Not to mention she was really aggressive (and annoying) and was going to leave us to die before Clem made puppy eyes.
And you dont have to be on Kenny's side for everything, most people lose his loyalty because of the Larry decision, which makes sense. My Kenny was loyal, selfless and predictable. And are you calling him selfish because he didnt fight Andy who had a gun and he didnt or because he didnt throw himself into danger to rescue you. After what you did to him, i dont blame you. And good job. You didnt even try to recruit another ally for rescuing Clem because you just dont like him.
ahem right at the end kenny starts the boat. suddenly the boat explodes because of a gas leak making telltale the biggest trolls on the planet. come on you all secretly know this is going to happen. its in the back of your head whispering "hes going to die you know.". not to mention all the foreshadowing of his death. death is walking right beside kenny everywhere he goes. shawn,larry,his son,his wife, maybe carly... some random zombie child, the fat chick, ben, and you getting scratched. i so see him dieing.
Um do you mean when Kenny says "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?" about Molly? Because ive seen some pretty anti-Kenny playthroughs and i dont remember hearing that.
I didn't bring him because I'm quite certain that he'd take care of himself at the first sign of trouble.
I think with all the crap that's happened to Kenny recently it's quite easy to forget the stuff you did from early episodes like Duck and the tractor and having his back at the pharmacy. Your Kenny is tortured with guilt. He feels bad for Shawn, and even worse Larry. With Larry, you basically made him smash his head in and so his guilt constantly reminds him of Larry and he blames you for it. Anyway he might have acknowledged you helping Kat and Duck if you hadn't told him to just go fuck himself.
If he went with you, he abandons the boat which the guy has probably been dreaming about to go help you find Clem. It would be stupid to think he's just going to run off at the first sign of trouble.
how can you say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that but the bad things are because he is a bad character, so do you think lilly didn't do anything wrong when she killed Carley/Doug because the game made her do it?
seriously being locked in a small room with a zombie infected man that collapsed because of a massive heart attack that wasn't breathing and had no pulse is different to life support, larry was dead with no medical expertise or equipment, sure kenny could have waited a few minutes until he turned into a zombie but lilly could have been doing mouth to mouth at that point and larry would have killed her i am pretty sure larry and lilly wouldn't have wanted that
Where did I say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that? You're making stuff up. Answer the question....Does your interaction with Kenny change whether he takes you in the RV or not?
As far as the life support comment...you're just not getting it so here it layed out for you. Who are you to decide when the point of no return is?
So, once he passes out and isnt breathing, you somehow know through your medical expertise that he is dead and gone with no hope of revival. Riiiight. Say Hello to Herschel Greene for me!
Saying a character did that because "thats how TT designed the game" isnt really a great argument. I could say that you can lose Kenny's loyalty and have him not help Clem because thats how the game was designed and doesnt reflect on his character at all. Is it Using some game evidence and then disregarding another piece because its how the game was designed just seems stupid.
And they could hardly wait until Larry was up and biting people before doing anything. The guy was freaking huge and the only safe and sensible time to kill Larry was before he reaminated. The guy was a freaking time bomb and if he died immediatly after the heart attack, then he was probably seconds from reaminating. It was a last resort. And i hope that never happens aswell, but I dont have any family members Larry sized. And i probably wouldnt be locked in a small room with my dieing family member anyway.
He destroyed one, ruined another and possibly saved the lives of literally everyone in the group. If Larry turned, four people probably die in the meat locker, two more are kept captive and possibly eaten and another two are approaching and have no freaking clue whats going on.
My Kenny helped me fight Danny, so i dont know what youre talking about :P
I wouldnt really blame him if he didnt, the guy had a gun and Kenny did not. And you had just made him do something which will haunt him for the rest of his life.
Andy was holding Duck hostage and Kenny was freaking the hell out. He was desperate to free Duck ASAP and thought he could rush Andy in time. I dont blame him, i could hardly imagine what its like, seeing you're son held at gunpoint by a sick twisted cannibal.
Kenny hasnt really done anything that makes me think he is stupid. When his family is not at risk, he thinks things through, like the girl situation and with the food, and makes the right call. When his family is threatened or have been recently killed, then he is less likely and i understand that totally.
Lol, You're just not getting it dude. You're saying that Lee gets a ride from Kenny because Kenny has a code of ethics. Uh no. Go back and replay the game dude, one of the first things Kenny tells Lee is that he can use someone to busts heads together. You act as if Kenny is doing Lee a favor out of his infinite goodness yet fail to address the real motive for his actions in taking lee which is that he's using Lee as a means to protect his family. Do you not understand this?
You yourself wrote that it doesn't matter if you are good or bad to Kenny because he will take Lee anyway which proves my point. If Lee was an asshole to Kenny, why would Kenny take Lee?
Would Kenny take a chance against the safety of his family by taking an asshole in his RV?
Would it be ethical to keep a dangerous "urban" asshole around his family or does Kenny's code of ethics only apply to Lee?
So does Kenny have a choice on whether he takes Lee or not in the game?
Did telltale design the game so that Kenny and Lee must go together to macon?
Are you missing something???
Im not the one disregarding evidence, you're the one who selectively chooses what u see. All of it:
Ep 1 - He abandons Shawn, literally runs off, even though his child is safe
Ep 2 - He suggests you might be useful at lockpicking because you're "urban"
Ep 2 - He kills Larry as you're trying to save him
Ep 2 - He tells you he'll back you up handling Danny St John, instead he leaves you to die
Ep 3 - He causes a massive argument at the motel over leaving and is the root cause of the paranoia that leads to Carley, Duck and Katjaa dying.
Ep 3 - He once again leaves you to die as you're trapped under a door
Ep 3 - He drops you while trying to get on the truck
Ep 3 - He fucks you over by blabbing about the girl you kill/leave to die infront of Clem
Ep 3 - He tells you your criminal past will be a factor in getting a place on his boat
Ep 3 - He tells you to leave Lilly behind to die, both at the motel and on the road
Ep 4 - He drops you again when trying to escape up the fire escape.
Ep 4 - He wills you to let Ben die
Ep 4 - He refuses to help save Clem
Take a good look at Kenny's craptacular actions. The burden is on you to rebutt the presumption and so far all I hear is semantics. His actions speak for themselves.
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Larry was gonna kill Duck & tried to kill you.
In my experiences Kenny did what I would have expected and in my world Larry wouldnt have lived long enough to make it to the farm.
Not attacking anyone, just throwing it out there.
I saved his son, 3 times (Farm, Larry, Dairy)
I saved his wife at the dairy
I saved him in Ep 4
His repayment is to not help with Clem. That's your "Good guy". Its dumb to say "Oh but he helped me" this isnt some Altenate Universe Kenny, its the same guy. He's fine until you go against him, then watch his true disloyal nature come out.
Id laugh my arse off if in Ep5, you take him with you & he betrays all you people who've taken his side. It is EXACTLY what he would do given the right circumstances.
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Kenny is just the kind of guy that's gonna feed you to the zombies if he just can save his own ass with that. Wouldn't trust him a single inch.
Yeah, but I was already mad at how he acted because I woulnt help him kill Larry. Then he followed it up with that crap with the door. Not to mention, he keeps crap started. He argues with everybody.
When he started talking that mess, after you ask him to help find clem. I just told him to go f himself. Cant stand that guy. Its worst because Im almost sure his going to live, and Im going to die.
Freakin telltale.
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35 have an x wife, 2 kids and 2 step kids. )Not going to get into the internet tough guy thing with "life or death circumstances") And I condemn Kenny with venom. Family isnt an excuse for weak moral character.
Some people are bros with Kenny, and some aren't. Some feel Kenny has accepted Lee and Clem into his family. I agree that if Kenny has accepted you as family, he'll back you up and even sacrifice for you.
However, look at how Kenny interacts with people who aren't in his circle. What if Christa/Omid are in trouble? What if they needed medicine but Kenny didn't need to go to Crawford because he had everything he needed for the boat?
Do you think Kenny would help Christa and Omid? No. Kenny is loyal to his own, and if you're outside that group, you're on your own, and you should probably watch your back.
In fact, with regards to the boat, Kenny made it clear that he's using everyone. They can all travel with him, but when they reach the boat, he sees it as his boat (even though everyone worked to get there), and everyone else will have to fight over spots. So, he uses the group to stay alive, but he's not loyal to them. He's not going to say "We can't go on the boat because not everyone will fit." He'll say "You have to stay behind because you don't fit on my boat."
If Kenny didn't have his family, he would be a bandit by now. He doesn't care about hurting people who are outside of his group or using people. He doesn't even care about hurting people who are inside the group, if they aren't in his inner circle.
So ... Kenny can be loyal but he's also a bad man who will do anything for his group, no matter what it does to others. He's only going to get worse now that he doesn't have a family to keep him in balance.
However ... for the people who have taken Kenny in as part of their family, they have provided some moral stability for Kenny. Kenny is willing to give up the boat to instead go for Clem, not because she's a little girl in trouble, but because she and Lee are part of his family. What little is left of Kenny's morality does not come from within, but from being part of a group and being watched by his group. When he's on his own, he leaves women to be eaten alive by zombies, and murders people he hates. If you're not part of Kenny's inner circle, he's a danger to you, because he has no sense of right or wrong beyond protecting his group.
Kenny is basically a gangster, loyal to his gang and a threat to others.
says the guy with the x wife.
I find that ironically funny.
So tell me, you wouldnt have gone for your kid first?
You wouldnt have moved him to a safe place or tried to pass him off to his mom before heading back to the danger?
Really?
And where was Hershal while his son was in danger?
The event is scripted as it is, but if he would have run with the pitchfork in his hands to his son instead of going for a gun, well..
PC chair arbiters are a funny bunch.
Im referring to my time in combat where if its zombies or Op-For, it doesnt matter when your life and the lives of those depending on you are on the line.
I make the reference and I stand behind the statement because if you haven't ever been in a life or death situation, then you dont know how you'd really react.
Its easy to judge when you've no idea.
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Ep 2 - I helped Kenny, because I was scared of Larry. He would have killed us if he turned.
Ep 2 - He helped me with Danny, because I helped him with Larry. You probably tried to save Larry. That may be the reason why he did not help you.
Ep 3 - Hm, when was Lee trapped under a door? I cannot really remember. :eek::eek:
Ep 3 - He did not drop me on purpose. That is not a reason to hate Kenny.
Ep 3 - Clem did not hear Kenny, did not see?
Ep 3 - It actually makes sense. Lee's criminal past makes him dangerous for his family. I would rather save an innocent person than a murderer.
Ep 3 - Yeah, you are right. There was no reason to leave Lily at the motel, but he had a reason to leave her at the reason.
Ep 4 - It was an accident. He did try to save me, you know.
Ep 4 - He helps me with Clem, because I was pro-Kenny.
That'd be fine except for one thing.
He tells you to go check on Danny and that he'll help if you run into trouble. He blatantly lies to your face and then leaves you to die.
It isn't a lie if you help Larry. He probably really DID intent to help you. I've seen the scene both ways, and when he leaves you, it looks like it's because he's afraid. He even comes out of the stall with the "I'm sorry, I fucked up" look on his face, rather than the "you handled yourself, didn't you?" kind of "fuck off" look he gives you if he leaves you under the door. Still, that puts him pretty much on the same boat as Ben because he lets his cowardice get the best of him if you try to save Larry.
Oh well if he intended to help me then it's ok then. He can just apologise to the hole in my head caused by Danny and Charlotte.
I personally like Kenny, either way, I see why he did some of the things and the rest? It's called he panicked, don't tell me you haven't made some bad decisions when you were in a hurry or scared.
I guess it's just because I count the reasons why people do stuff as really important. Everythign else he does, if you don't have his back, do make him a total asshole. Leaves you to die once with intent. Hates you for not agreeing with him. Wants to let Ben die in a fit of rage for his family (understandable in my mind, but still very wrong). Is willing to let Clem die based on his opinion of Lee. THAT would make me hate him if all that had happened to me on my first playthrough. Instead I got the bro-Kenny, so maybe I'm a bit biased because on the initial run of each episode he's always been cool to me and Clem.
And I'm sure he WOULD apologize afterward, just in time for Danny to swing around and shoot him
I am hearing a lot about well he couldn't be sure the farm was not surrounded. Well that is making an excuse for a cowardly act. He did not rationalize that he was going to protect his family therefore backing away to check for more Walkers or his wife. No, he let his fear take control of him and he ran away. That is pretty much the definition of coward. You can say it was a mistake but don't pretend it was the act of a man using courage to fight through his fear.
Kenny holds grudges over everything. I don't agree with my friends on everything. We have had heated disagreements before. But never would that stop us for looking out for each other in the face of another threat.
I don't know what you're talking about, but Kenny always helped me. You probably was never loyal to him which is the reason why he left you to dry lol. In your game he seems useless, but in mine he's got my back.
Go read back over this thread, the guy should be kissing my feet for all I've done for him.
Not even close. Kenny is devoid of any critical thinking skills and so is anyone who follows that peabrain. By this time most of us have saved his kid, have fed him, had his back against larry, listened to him and opened the barn door, killed andy for him, got his ass out of a meatlocker, saved his ass again at the motor inn and allowed his family to escape.
Loyalty? Pfffft. Kenny is a tiny little man and anyone who blindly follows that neanderthal is simply a gutless sheep with no ethics or integrity.
Kenny is the ultimate antithesis to Dale. Without any code of ethics, even in a zombie infested world, the breathers are nothing more than walkers themselves.
Kenny is a liability, not an asset.
Well firstly Lee would be dead without Kenny. You could have been a complete douche to Kenny from the start and have not helped his son and he still would first give you a lift to Macon and then save youre life. So much for not having a code of ethics. Besides if Kenny was truly a cold hearted bastard, he would have shot and killed Ben by now.
And despite all the things you did before, you still made the stupid choice in the meatlocker. "Hey Kenny, I know I risked you and you're family's lives to save some old asshole who already left me for dead and who may already BE dead. I also know that you're family could have been eaten alive. I know i basically forced you into taking the initiative alone and smashing Larry's head in, something which will traumatise you forever. I know that will make you feel guilty as hell and Larry's face will probably haunt you for the rest of your life and you have no one to reassure you that you did the right thing. But jeez man, why dont you like me?"
And i dont follow Kenny blindly, he just happens to be right all the time which is pretty lucky, in fact the only thing i disagreed on was over Ben. I saved the guy responsible for his sons death and he still helped me. He is one of my greatest assets right now.
Save Shawn at the farm and side with Larry at the drugstore and guess what? Kenny comes back for you and saves your life even then. Plus, when the walkers began to overrun the drugstore he was the only one who took charge and got nearly everyone out of there alive. If Christa and Omid stay behind at the end of Episode 4, he'll give them and Ben (if he stayed as well) the boat he's wanted to get since Episode 2. The boat that was supposed to be for his family. The boat that they died, and he nearly died, trying to get to. He even says for them to take it and leave town if he and Lee aren't back by a certain time.
Killing Larry was horrrific. He didn't wake up that day and decide "I'm gonna smash the old fart's head in". The dude thought he was going to turn into a walker and kill everyone in the meat locker. Which results in the rest of the group dying horribly as well. While it will never be certain, there's a good chance that Kenny saved the entire group by dropping that salt lick. He'll also probably be seeing Larry's face, like Shawn's for the rest of his life.
Kenny, believe it or not, says some smart things. Taking the food? A no-brainer. Leaving the girl in the street? She was bitten and the group needed supplies. The reason he's a bit of an ass right now is because his entire family died in front of him about 1 day before Episode 4 started. Not only does he blame himself for their deaths, he also admits he feels terrible about Shawn too. The guy has 3 deaths weighing down on him, two of which are his wife and child.
Are you serious? Don't you know there is no choice but for Kenny to take Lee? That is how Telltale designed the game! So for you to say that Kenny still gave you a ride despite previous actions is without any force or effect.
ACode of ethics has nothing to do with Kenny taking Lee. Kenny has to take Lee PERIOD or the story comes to an end!
You say Kenny has been right about everything and that is clearly not true.
Even your failed argument that Lee is somehow stupid by attempting to exhaust all options before Larry must be killed shows a real lack of character. Was Larry zombified when Kenny murdered him? NO, Lee was doing CPR moments after his collapse when Kenny crushes his skull. To say this is stupid or a mistake is void of any logic. You dont kill as a choice, only as a last resort. I hope your family members never finds themselves on life support with your finger on the killswitch.
Yeah right, Kenny is such a great asset. He destroyed two lives in that meatlocker, you say he is always right? Your lack of ethics frighten me.
Did Kenny help Lee in the barn? NOPE. That coward sat on his ass in the stall while Lee and Lily took Danny out. Then he runs off and leaves Lee to save Kenny's wife inside the house. Good Job Kenny!
Then Kenny the genius approaches Andy (who has a shotgun) and gets shot point blank in front of his family. Lee then allows Duck to escape while he wrestles with Andy for the gun. Good job again Kenny.
Like I said, Kenny is a liability. Lee is the one who has been bailing out his lack of intelligence. Not the other way around.
how can you say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that but the bad things are because he is a bad character, so do you think lilly didn't do anything wrong when she killed Carley/Doug because the game made her do it?
seriously being locked in a small room with a zombie infected man that collapsed because of a massive heart attack that wasn't breathing and had no pulse is different to life support, larry was dead with no medical expertise or equipment, sure kenny could have waited a few minutes until he turned into a zombie but lilly could have been doing mouth to mouth at that point and larry would have killed her i am pretty sure larry and lilly wouldn't have wanted that
Saying a character did that because "thats how TT designed the game" isnt really a great argument. I could say that you can lose Kenny's loyalty and have him not help Clem because thats how the game was designed and doesnt reflect on his character at all. Is it Using some game evidence and then disregarding another piece because its how the game was designed just seems stupid.
And they could hardly wait until Larry was up and biting people before doing anything. The guy was freaking huge and the only safe and sensible time to kill Larry was before he reaminated. The guy was a freaking time bomb and if he died immediatly after the heart attack, then he was probably seconds from reaminating. It was a last resort. And i hope that never happens aswell, but I dont have any family members Larry sized. And i probably wouldnt be locked in a small room with my dieing family member anyway.
He destroyed one, ruined another and possibly saved the lives of literally everyone in the group. If Larry turned, four people probably die in the meat locker, two more are kept captive and possibly eaten and another two are approaching and have no freaking clue whats going on.
My Kenny helped me fight Danny, so i dont know what youre talking about :P
I wouldnt really blame him if he didnt, the guy had a gun and Kenny did not. And you had just made him do something which will haunt him for the rest of his life.
Andy was holding Duck hostage and Kenny was freaking the hell out. He was desperate to free Duck ASAP and thought he could rush Andy in time. I dont blame him, i could hardly imagine what its like, seeing you're son held at gunpoint by a sick twisted cannibal.
Kenny hasnt really done anything that makes me think he is stupid. When his family is not at risk, he thinks things through, like the girl situation and with the food, and makes the right call. When his family is threatened or have been recently killed, then he is less likely and i understand that totally.
And I made him shoot his own son who was going zombie. Shit! What was I thinking?! WHY? WHY DID I DO THAAAAT?!
That sums Kenny up. He accepts that you've helped him, but if you've gone against him then that is the deciding factor in him fucking you over. A guy that you could side with for months, but will turn on you regardless the moment you don't.
Selfish, disloyal, fickle, Kenny is the biggest threat to your group. That's why when I accidentally ended up with him in my group (thanks for the game-wiping bug Telltale), I stopped the game, replayed the scene and told him to fuck off. I don't want him, he causes nothing but trouble.
Um do you mean when Kenny says "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?" about Molly? Because ive seen some pretty anti-Kenny playthroughs and i dont remember hearing that. And i was pretty sure that was dark humour. Huge difference between saying something like that and actually doing it. Not to mention she was really aggressive (and annoying) and was going to leave us to die before Clem made puppy eyes.
And you dont have to be on Kenny's side for everything, most people lose his loyalty because of the Larry decision, which makes sense. My Kenny was loyal, selfless and predictable. And are you calling him selfish because he didnt fight Andy who had a gun and he didnt or because he didnt throw himself into danger to rescue you. After what you did to him, i dont blame you. And good job. You didnt even try to recruit another ally for rescuing Clem because you just dont like him.
It's basically what he says at the end of Ep4.
I didn't bring him because I'm quite certain that he'd take care of himself at the first sign of trouble.
I think with all the crap that's happened to Kenny recently it's quite easy to forget the stuff you did from early episodes like Duck and the tractor and having his back at the pharmacy. Your Kenny is tortured with guilt. He feels bad for Shawn, and even worse Larry. With Larry, you basically made him smash his head in and so his guilt constantly reminds him of Larry and he blames you for it. Anyway he might have acknowledged you helping Kat and Duck if you hadn't told him to just go fuck himself.
If he went with you, he abandons the boat which the guy has probably been dreaming about to go help you find Clem. It would be stupid to think he's just going to run off at the first sign of trouble.
Where did I say all the good things he does are just because the game has to do that? You're making stuff up. Answer the question....Does your interaction with Kenny change whether he takes you in the RV or not?
As far as the life support comment...you're just not getting it so here it layed out for you. Who are you to decide when the point of no return is?
So, once he passes out and isnt breathing, you somehow know through your medical expertise that he is dead and gone with no hope of revival. Riiiight. Say Hello to Herschel Greene for me!
Lol, You're just not getting it dude. You're saying that Lee gets a ride from Kenny because Kenny has a code of ethics. Uh no. Go back and replay the game dude, one of the first things Kenny tells Lee is that he can use someone to busts heads together. You act as if Kenny is doing Lee a favor out of his infinite goodness yet fail to address the real motive for his actions in taking lee which is that he's using Lee as a means to protect his family. Do you not understand this?
You yourself wrote that it doesn't matter if you are good or bad to Kenny because he will take Lee anyway which proves my point. If Lee was an asshole to Kenny, why would Kenny take Lee?
Would Kenny take a chance against the safety of his family by taking an asshole in his RV?
Would it be ethical to keep a dangerous "urban" asshole around his family or does Kenny's code of ethics only apply to Lee?
So does Kenny have a choice on whether he takes Lee or not in the game?
Did telltale design the game so that Kenny and Lee must go together to macon?
Are you missing something???
Im not the one disregarding evidence, you're the one who selectively chooses what u see. All of it:
Ep 1 - He abandons Shawn, literally runs off, even though his child is safe
Ep 2 - He suggests you might be useful at lockpicking because you're "urban"
Ep 2 - He kills Larry as you're trying to save him
Ep 2 - He tells you he'll back you up handling Danny St John, instead he leaves you to die
Ep 3 - He causes a massive argument at the motel over leaving and is the root cause of the paranoia that leads to Carley, Duck and Katjaa dying.
Ep 3 - He once again leaves you to die as you're trapped under a door
Ep 3 - He drops you while trying to get on the truck
Ep 3 - He fucks you over by blabbing about the girl you kill/leave to die infront of Clem
Ep 3 - He tells you your criminal past will be a factor in getting a place on his boat
Ep 3 - He tells you to leave Lilly behind to die, both at the motel and on the road
Ep 4 - He drops you again when trying to escape up the fire escape.
Ep 4 - He wills you to let Ben die
Ep 4 - He refuses to help save Clem
Take a good look at Kenny's craptacular actions. The burden is on you to rebutt the presumption and so far all I hear is semantics. His actions speak for themselves.