The Last Choice [SPOILERS!]

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
Ok, so

I'm talking about the choice to prevent Lee from turning or not.

My choice in my first playthrough was to make Clem leave Lee behind, handcuffed.

Reasoning:
- Secure option. Lee is handcuffed, couldn't make any harm unless someone went hugging him after reanimation.
- No point to waste a bullet. Resources are pretty scarce.
- No point to risk the noise, as Lee pointed it out.

Plus! I didn't want to make Clem to shoot people she (probably?) viewed as her family. Not when theres another option. No matter how smart and mature she is for her age. No matter how much I want her to grow up fast in the world gone to Z.

I was little surprised to notice that most people didn't pick the same option. Last I checked the ratio was 33-67. I'd like to hear why people did end up picking the option to kill Lee.

I'm not trying to provoke anybody or say your choice was wrong. Just want to hear why people pick... what they picked.

P.S. Damn cliffhangers.
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  • edited November 2012
    I did the same. My philosophy in these situations is always to conserve bullets. I approach a potential zombie apocalypse scenario the way Max Brooks advises in his books "The Zombie Survival Guide" and "World War Z". Keeping well stocked with supplies and ammo is paramount, as is keeping unwarranted noise to a minimum. At one moment I actually thought Clem was going to shoot Lee anyway, which I would have been fine with. But playing Lee, I tried to be as rational as I could.
  • edited November 2012
    the same with Kenny and Duck

    I didn't want him to kill Duck so I didn't want Clem to kill Lee
  • edited November 2012
    Matt7895 wrote: »
    Snippety.

    I really have to get those books sometime.

    Can't say I was rational the whole game though. For example, I did not steal from the station wagon but not before I put some serious thought in it.
  • edited November 2012
    I had Clem shoot me because I wanted to teach her one last lesson. That sometimes you are going to have to do things you really don't want to in order to survive.

    To me that was worth a bullet.
  • edited November 2012
    voteDC wrote: »
    I had Clem shoot me because I wanted to teach her one last lesson. That sometimes you are going to have to do things you really don't want to in order to survive.

    To me that was worth a bullet.

    If Clem is good enough to kill the living shit out of the radio guy I am sure she is more than capable of defending her self if required
  • edited November 2012
    voteDC wrote: »
    I had Clem shoot me because I wanted to teach her one last lesson. That sometimes you are going to have to do things you really don't want to in order to survive.

    To me that was worth a bullet.

    Understood. But I believe the same lesson can be derived from the decision to make her leave Lee's side. Plus, I don't think she really wanted those zombie-guts to be smeared on her either.

    I wouldn't personally put her at more risk just to teach her a lesson she probably knows already.
  • edited November 2012
    Chanut_N wrote: »
    If Clem is good enough to kill the living shit out of the radio guy I am sure she is more than capable of defending her self if required
    It's different hurting someone you don't know than it is people you know and care for.

    At some point she could find herself in a 'Larry' situation and I don't want her to hesitate because she's been travelling with them.
    GoFigure wrote: »
    Understood. But I believe the same lesson can be derived from the decision to make her leave Lee's side. Plus, I don't think she really wanted those zombie-guts to be smeared on her either.

    I wouldn't personally put her at more risk just to teach her a lesson she probably knows already.
    I can understand your point of view but for me it was a lesson she needed to learn, she needed to pull that trigger and know that Lee wasn't getting back up like her parents.
  • edited November 2012
    I thought it'd be therapeutic for Clementine to shoot Lee. I had spent the whole game trying to shield her from everything terrible in this world, but as I lay handcuffed and dying, I knew I couldn't do so anymore. I also thought it would give her a better sense of closure with her relationship with Lee, and she'll never have to think of him as a walker.
  • edited November 2012
    Yes, I can understand it would be a good lesson on growning up. Therapeutic euthanasia (two words I've never used in a row!). But at this point I can only repeat myself.

    1. reference case - Duck.
    2. reference case - walker attacking Molly
    3. reference case - The kidnapper/vengeful-station-wagon-guy

    So she has already mastered the art of shooting things to the head, people and walkers alike. No lessons there.

    I think, at least in Ducks case, she knows that sometimes you have to put loved ones down before they turn but only when it's absolutely necessary (hey, that's a lesson too! :o). I don't see much benefit in a practical lesson, not when theres risks and options.
  • edited November 2012
    Chanut_N wrote: »
    If Clem is good enough to kill the living shit out of the radio guy I am sure she is more than capable of defending her self if required
    Wait, what? Lee killed him in my file... how does Clem do it? Is it because you gave up your weapons?
  • edited November 2012
    aguyuno wrote: »
    Wait, what? Lee killed him in my file... how does Clem do it? Is it because you gave up your weapons?

    No. Just don't choke him and Clem will eventually shoot him in the head.

    EDIT: And yeah, I did put all my stuff on the table too. Not sure if that counts, though.
  • edited November 2012
    I just didn't want TTG to twist it so that Lee comes unstuck and she has to do it in the second series or whatever. I prefer knowing that Lee can't possibly hurt her.
  • edited November 2012
    Plus, by not getting shot in the head, there is always the possibility of playing season 2 as Lee the Zombie... mmmm... braiiins..
  • edited November 2012
    GoFigure wrote: »
    No. Just don't choke him and Clem will eventually shoot him in the head.

    EDIT: And yeah, I did put all my stuff on the table too. Not sure if that counts, though.
    Oh. I'd imagine it does for the record, cause after I choked him down, Lee pulled his gun and shot him (or you can not if you want but I said fuck that).
  • edited November 2012
    I wanted to give her the strength to survive the apocalypse, and to show her the despicable things you might have to do. That's why I let her put Lee down.
  • edited November 2012
    C`nr wrote: »
    I just didn't want TTG to twist it so that Lee comes unstuck and she has to do it in the second series or whatever. I prefer knowing that Lee can't possibly hurt her.

    This was actually my plan before I knew how the things turned out. I would not let Lee become a danger to anyone but since that danger was at least minimized or probably even neutralized, I didn't see it necessary anymore.

    Yes, I risked a change of him getting unstuck. :/
  • edited November 2012
    Personally, the thought of leaving someone you care about chained to a heater to become a zombie is FAR more emotionally devastating than putting them out of their misery.

    I know she's young, but I think she would definitely regret it later in life is she left him like that.
  • edited November 2012
    oligo wrote: »
    Personally, the thought of leaving someone you care about chained to a heater to become a zombie is FAR more emotionally devastating than putting them out of their misery.

    I know she's young, but I think she would definitely regret it later in life is she left him like that.

    If it was Lee's choice and Clementine honored it. She shouldn't regret it. I admit, there's a change she will but she shouldn't.
  • edited November 2012
    i've let him alive because we never knew if he would turn or not, perhaps he is only ill of infection and he will survive so i gave him a chance and i never thought one second he could be dead anyway.. seems he could and that's really weird as there is no reply to this answer.. to be followed i guess
  • edited November 2012
    Flona1972 wrote: »
    i've let him alive because we never knew if he would turn or not, perhaps he is only ill of infection and he will survive so i gave him a chance and i never thought one second he could be dead anyway.. seems he could and that's really weird as there is no reply to this answer.. to be followed i guess

    -_-"

    I respect your opinion but...this is more than a day dreaming
  • edited November 2012
    Chanut_N wrote: »
    -_-"

    I respect your opinion but...this is more than a day dreaming

    Indeed. That is... very optimistic. Considering how fatal the bite is in TWD and the mortality rate of amputees.

    But, well, one can always hope. There's nothing wrong in little optimism. :)
  • edited November 2012
    GoFigure wrote: »
    No. Just don't choke him and Clem will eventually shoot him in the head.

    EDIT: And yeah, I did put all my stuff on the table too. Not sure if that counts, though.

    I stopped pressing Q when I saw his eyes. He was terrified, but I immediately regretted it because he pinned me on the floor
  • edited November 2012
    Leaving Lee behind and putting the handcuffs on him would be poetic justice. He was going to prison at the start of the game, remember?
  • edited November 2012
    magzhi wrote: »
    I stopped pressing Q when I saw his eyes. He was terrified, but I immediately regretted it because he pinned me on the floor

    Well, yeah. You have to lose the fight in order to get Clementine save Lee.
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Leaving Lee behind and putting the handcuffs on him would be poetic justice. He was going to prison at the start of the game, remember?

    Huh. Never thought of it that way. Guess so! :D
  • edited November 2012
    I Had her shoot Lee for 2 reasons. 1) It was a learning point for her to learn to do despicable things when the absolute need has arisen. 2) I didn't want her to ever think back and wonder whether or not he turned and in consequence think of Lee as a walker, I wanted her to remember him as he was. You have to think about it as more than just a single issue. IIRC it was discussed earlier in the game as to not wanting to become one of "those things".
  • edited November 2012
    Walker#8 wrote: »
    I Had her shoot Lee for 2 reasons. 1) It was a learning point for her to learn to do despicable things when the absolute need has arisen.

    But there was no absolute need. Doesn't that contradict the whole point of the lesson?
    Walker#8 wrote: »
    2) I didn't want her to ever think back and wonder whether or not he turned and in consequence think of Lee as a walker, I wanted her to remember him as he was. You have to think about it as more than just a single issue. IIRC it was discussed earlier in the game as to not wanting to become one of "those things".

    Yes, well. She already saw her parents as walkers and she's wont (likely) get to see Lee reanimated. And I figure Lee's lesson "It's not me anymore." will stick and she learns not to dwell on it too much.
  • edited November 2012
    GoFigure wrote: »
    Indeed. That is... very optimistic. Considering how fatal the bite is in TWD and the mortality rate of amputees.

    But, well, one can always hope. There's nothing wrong in little optimism. :)

    but in the comic the guy is still alive after an amputation so i really thought it would be the same.. never thought they would kill Lee specially if there is a season 2 to come, was a bit shocked in fact even if i didn't kill him if other players did it means he will really be dead in the next season.. unless clementine missed him? must play again and kill him to see this :p
  • edited November 2012
    Flona1972 wrote: »
    but in the comic the guy is still alive after an amputation so i really thought it would be the same.. never thought they would kill Lee specially if there is a season 2 to come, was a bit shocked in fact even if i didn't kill him if other players did it means he will really be dead in the next season.. unless clementine missed him? must play again and kill him to see this :p

    Unless you amputate the body part wich you got bit you won't turn, but for Lee it was too late.
  • edited November 2012
    GoFigure wrote: »
    But there was no absolute need. Doesn't that contradict the whole point of the lesson?



    Yes, well. She already saw her parents as walkers and she's wont (likely) get to see Lee reanimated. And I figure Lee's lesson "It's not me anymore." will stick and she learns not to dwell on it too much.


    Yeah there was no Need at that point but it braces her for future situations and readies her for it.
  • edited November 2012
    Yep I made Clem go with me handcuffed, no point in wasting resources.
  • edited November 2012
    I didn't want Clem to have to deal with me after all that we had been through. I chose for her to leave me behind.
  • edited November 2012
    Brohan wrote: »
    Unless you amputate the body part wich you got bit you won't turn, but for Lee it was too late.

    i didn't tell anybody Lee was bitten so i was wondering if i did at the beginning if he would still be alive, as you say you won't turn if you amputate so i didn't expect him to die :/
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    edited November 2012
    GoFigure wrote: »
    Yes, I can understand it would be a good lesson on growning up. Therapeutic euthanasia (two words I've never used in a row!). But at this point I can only repeat myself.

    1. reference case - Duck.
    2. reference case - walker attacking Molly
    3. reference case - The kidnapper/vengeful-station-wagon-guy

    So she has already mastered the art of shooting things to the head, people and walkers alike. No lessons there.

    I think, at least in Ducks case, she knows that sometimes you have to put loved ones down before they turn but only when it's absolutely necessary (hey, that's a lesson too! :o). I don't see much benefit in a practical lesson, not when theres risks and options.

    There is a huge difference between 'knowing' and 'doing'. Simply knowing that sometimes you may have to kill someone you care about doesn't necessarily prepare you to actually put that knowledge into practice, she'd be less likely to hesitate in the future. Just like surgeons, Would you prefer a surgeon that has both studied medicine in Uni and trained on cadavers/dummies or one that just studied in Uni with no practical experience?

    So the risk in not doing it now is that she may hesitate in the future and get bitten.
  • edited November 2012
    If it was you, would you rather have the last memories of a person, be as human, or being as an walker?.
  • edited November 2012
    I had her shoot.

    It's to give closure, and to make her stronger in the end. In the new world, it's all about being able to make tough decisions that you wouldnt be able to do when everything was normal.
  • edited November 2012
    Speaking of Which, what happened to Omid and Christie? And why was clem in a corn field?
  • edited November 2012
    Didn't make her shoot Lee , she didn't want to.
    He was handcuffed , so no point.He's gonna die anyway ,and he didn't seem to suffer .

    Besides , kids in The Walking Dead comic , always end up being little psycho...
    So I don't feel the need to tell her to be strong and off Lee , when she's in no danger.
    The less trigger she has to pull , the better.
  • edited November 2012
    Would you want to die, knowing that you (or at least your body) would roam around as a walker?
  • edited November 2012
    I had her kill me for all i know she would be alone forever she need to be able to pull trigger when needed. So i thought it would make her stronger honestly just to survive.
  • edited November 2012
    Once you're a walker , you are dead.
    The only thought that would bother me is killing people in the "afterlife".
    If you die chained to something , you won't be roaming the street looking for preys.
    So who cares?

    The only people that it could hurt is the people that loved you , seeing you as zombie is kind of a mockery of your old self.

    But if it's so important for Clem , she 'll come back in a few years and kill zombie Lee.(well what would be left of him)
    I really don't see the benefit for a child to kill a dying person , regrets are better than trauma ,IMHO.

    But again , that's just my way of seeing things.
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