Ben didnt really prove himself in the end.

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
Which is a damn shame.

Yeah, he finally stood up to Kenny and told him what's up, which was good. But he was still a liability in the end. I really feel sorry for the poor kid, he couldnt do anything right and died a horrible death.

- got several people killed.
- Got bitched at all the time and treated like a kid.
- Never got to see his family.
- Had to live for a while with the guilt of indirectly killing Katjaa/Duck.
- Died in an alleyway surrounded by walkers with no one but the guy who hated his guts all this time by his side.
- Probably never got laid.

Such a sad story. :(
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  • edited November 2012
    I disagree, he did prove himself. He stood up for himself and apologized for what he did. He was also willing to risk his life to save Clementine, I think that's enough proof.
  • edited November 2012
    Sure he stood up for himself, but I agree he dident really prove himself.
    A real shame.
  • edited November 2012
    Not everyone who wants to redeem themselves gets an opportunity to do so. But he at least got the opportunity to earn forgiveness, or at least acceptance.
  • edited November 2012
    He was a bitch. When he died I laughed. Then I saw Kenny helping him. I died of sadness.... God damn it, Kenny.
  • edited November 2012
    DarcKage wrote: »
    Which is a damn shame.

    Yeah, he finally stood up to Kenny and told him what's up, which was good. But he was still a liability in the end. I really feel sorry for the poor kid, he couldnt do anything right and died a horrible death.

    - got several people killed.
    - Got bitched at all the time and treated like a kid.
    - Never got to see his family.
    - Had to live for a while with the guilt of indirectly killing Katjaa/Duck.
    - Died in an alleyway surrounded by walkers with no one but the guy who hated his guts all this time by his side.
    - Probably never got laid.

    Such a sad story. :(

    He got Kenny killed. As I expected.

    Ben's killcount:
    -Duck
    -Katjaa
    -Carley/Doug
    -Chuck
    -Brie
    and if you didn't drop the idiot in episode 4
    -Kenny
  • edited November 2012
    ruairi46 wrote: »
    Sure he stood up for himself, but I agree he dident really prove himself.
    A real shame.

    if you brought only ben with you, he will question if he should cut off lee's arm, then tells lee to do it himself. then he passes out when lee cuts his arm. lol.
  • edited November 2012
    Secretly ben was a seriel killer getting kicks out of watching friends die. He pushed his coach on the bear trap..
  • edited November 2012
    Reading people's posts, I'm glad that I let Ben drop in episode 4.
  • edited November 2012
    I wish he didn't die like that. At least he stood up for himself and earned forgiveness from Kenny. But yeah, I often felt sorry for Ben because of how people were always treating him, I even told Omid and Christa to support him after Lee died... and then he goes and gets impaled. That and the final scene where Lee is almost turning with Clem were the two scenes in this Episode where I cried... and of course Kenny had to go with him. Goddammit, I couldn't keep neither my favorite character (Ben) nor the person I liked the least (Kenny) around in the end... =/
  • edited November 2012
    But in the end isn't that really the main theme of The Walking Dead?

    "Life sucks and then you die."
  • edited November 2012
    But in the end isn't that really the main theme of The Walking Dead?

    "Life sucks and then you die."

    So heartwarming.
  • edited November 2012
    Like others are saying at least he finally earned forgiveness from Kenny in the end and he did step up and join my rescue mission for Clem. I think he did prove himself, just not through some cheesy heroic last stand which would have been unrealistic for Ben anyway.
  • edited November 2012
    Ben did good. He tried to do some useful stuff in the house attack. I personally think that his speech about his family, his death and Kenny's sacrifice and ultilmate forgiveness made him one of most best characters. Rest in peace Benny-boy, you deserve it.
  • edited November 2012
    I knew he wouldn.t WHich is why I let him get dropped in the belltower.
  • edited November 2012
    Yeah, Ben's death was shitty and I couldn't do anything but the "..." option for the next few parts of the conversation after it happened, but it was done that way on purpose. The Walking Dead isn't about hero moments.
  • edited November 2012
    Yeah, Ben.... was kinda TTG's whipping post.....
  • edited November 2012
    as much as I dislike ben, after watching what happens when he dies in ep 5, I have to say that for once it wasn't his fault.
  • edited November 2012
    Ben's death is the only one I'm not cool with.

    Kenny decided to go off in a blaze of glory? Okay.

    Lee is shot/passes out from the infection after a sad and heartfelt goodbye to Clem? Fine.

    Ben dies because a railing was loose? Fuck no!

    I would be fine if he ended up like Crista and Omid, having no idea what happened to him or where he went! At least then I could dream!

    Not cool, man.
  • edited November 2012
    He did do ONE small thing. he gives you your gun back in the mansion. Of course it's empty so it never comes to any use, but yeah.

    Actually, is it possible to not use your bullets in the fight scene before? If so, would the game recognize it later in the alley scene? I have some experimenting to do tomorrow...
  • edited November 2012
    He did do ONE small thing. he gives you your gun back in the mansion. Of course it's empty so it never comes to any use, but yeah.

    Actually, is it possible to not use your bullets in the fight scene before? If so, would the game recognize it later in the alley scene? I have some experimenting to do tomorrow...

    the game would not advance unless you use up your bullets.

    oh, and it was ben who told everyone that you don't have to get bit to become a walker.
  • edited November 2012
    george1120 wrote: »
    if you brought only ben with you, he will question if he should cut off lee's arm, then tells lee to do it himself. then he passes out when lee cuts his arm. lol.

    Are you serious? Omg that's hilarious lmao. And also I was right that ben never got to truly redeem himself and pull his weight. That's just how TWD is.
  • edited November 2012
    george1120 wrote: »
    the game would not advance unless you use up your bullets.

    oh, and it was ben who told everyone that you don't have to get bit to become a walker.

    Ah, nevermind on the ammo thing then. I thought I heard somewhere that you could technically save the bullets so I almost thought I was onto something there.

    And I was thinking of after episode 4. Personally, I kind of like the way he went. Him not getting the chance to prove himself, but he definitely showed the resolution to, and didn't have another big screw up. (if anyone counts falling off the balcony after kennys weight made it come loose as a screwup...that's just mean)

    Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that both sides can still feel that their philosophy on dropping/saving him is valid.
  • edited November 2012
    If you don't hate Ben you have severe psychological problems.

    And yes, I know he's not a bad person.
  • edited November 2012
    Chrizza wrote: »
    If you don't hate Ben you have severe psychological problems.
    If you hate Ben you have severe psychological problems.
  • edited November 2012
    those 2 bullets, I will have to do some experimenting myself.
  • edited November 2012
    I did not fire any of my bullets in the scene before we entered the attic. When I dropped my gun I felt stupid for not helping kill the zombies. Then Ben picked it up and gave it back to me with all the ammunition left in it.

    Later Kenny asked me for if I had more bullets left, I gave him my gun and he fired two bullets. One definitely into Ben, and one I assume into himself.

    Unless I spaced out during these scenes then I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

    So Ben grabbing my gun, was a valuable act indeed...
  • edited November 2012
    Ben also "killed" Larry...

    Kenny - "Remember what Ben said, gotta destroy the brain...
  • edited November 2012
    Ben also "killed" Larry...

    Kenny - "Remember what Ben said, gotta destroy the brain...
    Good point.

    Ben is by far the most dangerous person in this game.
  • edited November 2012
    Chrizza wrote: »
    Good point.

    Ben is by far the most dangerous person in this game.

    Really? So say he didn't tell anyone about turning without being bitten. Would you rather have Larry becoming a walker in that room with Clem, Lee, Kenny and Lilly? The way I see it, he saved everyone in that room by saying that, even if in the end I tried to help Lilly anyways.
  • edited November 2012
    Viser wrote: »
    Really? So say he didn't tell anyone about turning without being bitten. Would you rather have Larry becoming a walker in that room with Clem, Lee, Kenny and Lilly? The way I see it, he saved everyone in that room by saying that, even if in the end I tried to help Lilly anyways.
    Oh, no, I agree with putting Larry down. I just think it's funny Ben can be linked to yet another death.
  • edited November 2012
    Pre-Episode 5 Ben supporters "Ben's gonna redeem himself, all you Ben haters will see."

    Instead, ben falls to his death, which causes Kenny to get killed. And thus saving absouley no one. And in my playthrough, he lost the boat to Vernon. So he was a useless character from the start, his antics in Episode 3 moved the plot along, but not in a good direction.

    Post-Episode 5 Ben supporters "It's not about redemption, he apologized and was forgiven by Kenny, that's enough."


    Sure, whatever.
  • edited November 2012
    Actually, I never saved Ben hoping he would do something for me. I just wasn't going to let someone fall to their death, when I could pull them up.

    To me, Kenny risking his life for Ben meant more than him risking his life for Christa. It would be easier for him to go to the aid of a pregnant woman he had no problems with. So that was more of a bonus to me.
  • edited November 2012
    Viser wrote: »
    Really? So say he didn't tell anyone about turning without being bitten. Would you rather have Larry becoming a walker in that room with Clem, Lee, Kenny and Lilly? The way I see it, he saved everyone in that room by saying that, even if in the end I tried to help Lilly anyways.

    That's a real stretch. If you do CPR fast enough, Larry comes back. I think the creators confirmed this. On top of that, heart attacks can take a while to kill depending on the person.

    And even if Larry did came back, you don't think the Trio of Badasses (Lee, Lilly, and Kenny) could handle him?
  • edited November 2012
    Doctanian wrote: »
    That's a real stretch. If you do CPR fast enough, Larry comes back. I think the creators confirmed this. On top of that, heart attacks can take a while to kill depending on the person.

    And even if Larry did came back, you don't think the Trio of Badasses (Lee, Lilly, and Kenny) could handle him?

    His mouth just moves. TT never confirmed or denied Larry being alive, so we'll never know and it's up to each player to decide if he could be saved or not. And no they couldn't handle him! They might be badasses, but Lilly wouldn't help put down her zombified father, while Lee and Kenny don't even have any weapons. IF Larry was about to come back, Kenny saved everyone.
  • edited November 2012
    I wonder what would've happened if they didn't rescue Ben. Would everyone survive and be way better off or would they be killed by the bandits?
    Doctanian wrote: »
    That's a real stretch. If you do CPR fast enough, Larry comes back. I think the creators confirmed this. On top of that, heart attacks can take a while to kill depending on the person.

    And even if Larry did came back, you don't think the Trio of Badasses (Lee, Lilly, and Kenny) could handle him?

    Yep,I think they confirmed it and you can clearly see him breathe just before Kenny kills him off.
  • edited November 2012
    Rock114 wrote: »
    His mouth just moves. TT never confirmed or denied Larry being alive, so we'll never know and it's up to each player to decide if he could be saved or not. And no they couldn't handle him! They might be badasses, but Lilly wouldn't help put down her zombified father, while Lee and Kenny don't even have any weapons. IF Larry was about to come back, Kenny saved everyone.

    Pretty sure they confirmed it, dude. Kenny didn't save anyone.
  • edited November 2012
    ruairi46 wrote: »
    Secretly ben was a seriel killer getting kicks out of watching friends die. He pushed his coach on the bear trap..

    the untold story.
  • edited November 2012
    To me it was realistic that he never got the chance to redeem himself, it's the Walking Dead. Ben is a screw up and he died like one it was a fitting ending to him although he redeemed himself with Kenny and the loss of his family. In my eyes he never redeemed himself for Carley/Doug's death. Other than that he redeemed himself
  • edited November 2012
    Chrizza wrote: »
    Oh, no, I agree with putting Larry down. I just think it's funny Ben can be linked to yet another death.

    You can link everyone to every death, that's the problem with the whole "Ben killed everyone" line of thinking.

    Take Lee for example, from the very beginning would the cop have crashed into that walker and died if Lee hadn't killed the senator and needed to be driven to the prison? and as a result would any of what happened afterwards have happened without Lee there to influence things?
    Doctanian wrote: »
    Pretty sure they confirmed it, dude. Kenny didn't save anyone.

    They only confirmed that Larry moved, not that he was alive or had turned.
  • edited November 2012
    Chrizza wrote: »
    Oh, no, I agree with putting Larry down. I just think it's funny Ben can be linked to yet another death.

    No, I meant that if Ben hadn't told them about turning no matter how you die, Larry would've turned without them expecting it to happen. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been able to handle a guy his size without at least expecting him to turn.

    And no, It wasn't confirmed that Larry is alive. They meant for that scene to be ambiguous, it would be pretty weird if they said "yup, Larry was alive.", and if you are indeed quick enough you'll realize his mouth moves but that's it, he doesn't open his eyes or anything.
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