This is why people claiming colour blindness is problematic; because you are essentially ignoring a very real problem. It won't get solved until people acknowledge the problem is there and actually put pressure on companies to change.
The other day fox was advertising for spanish language shows in the middle of Kitchen Nightmares (an english language show for those that aren't familiar with it), change is coming faster than you think. Hispanics make up the majority where I live, and I was treated like crap by the mexican kids I went to school with (they likely learned it from their parents, as that kind of garbage usually begins at home). You can take it to the bank when I tell you that I have never received an ounce of preferencial treatment for having white skin.
The other day fox was advertising for spanish language shows in the middle of Kitchen Nightmares (an english language show for those that aren't familiar with it), change is coming faster than you think. Hispanics make up the majority where I live, and I was treated like crap by the mexican kids I went to school with (they likely learned it from their parents, as that kind of garbage usually begins at home). You can take it to the bank when I tell you that I have never received an ounce of preferencial treatment for having white skin.
Fox, news? Not a chance, that's not a news channel, it's a propaganda machine for the right wing conservative agenda. I was watching the Fox channel that shows Family Guy and American Dad. You've never heard of Kitchen Nightmares? The show where world famous Chef Gordon Ramsay goes into failing restaraunts and fixes all of their problems. Also, I wasn't aware that I had a problem, but thanks for letting me know what it is
Those restaurants mostly go out of business afterward.
Not mostly, but yes sometimes. They were on there last legs before he ever showed up anyways, most couldn't have kept their doors open for more than another month or two.
Dude, TC, this is the FIRST thing that went through my head.
I really really REALLY dont want to have to play as some obnoxious white godfearing yank in season 2. No doubt many yanks didnt want to touch this game because you play as a man of african descent protecting an asian.
@Eric
You do have a problem if you literally enjoy family guy....which IS fox.
Dude, TC, this is the FIRST thing that went through my head.
I really really REALLY dont want to have to play as some obnoxious white godfearing yank in season 2. No doubt many yanks didnt want to touch this game because you play as a man of african descent protecting an asian.
@Eric
You do have a problem if you literally enjoy family guy....which IS fox.
1) Clementine isn't asian.
2) You are a bit obnoxious yourself.
3) I said it's on Fox, I'm drawing a distinction between Fox and Fox News.
4) Family Guy is witty and insightful, if you are from a foreign country, then I don't expect you to get it. I don't find British humor to be very funny, either.
1) Clementine isn't asian.
2) You are a bit obnoxious yourself.
3) I said it's on Fox, I'm drawing a distinction between Fox and Fox News.
4) Family Guy is witty and insightful, if you are from a foreign country, then I don't expect you to get it. I don't find British humor to be very funny, either.
Have a nice day
Uh-huh, eric, aside from the fact that nothing you said there is right, it reveals the true reason to your bully problems. Oh nooooo I'm suuuure it was being white that got you picked on...not the fact that you display narrowmindedness, not knowing what fox is and how it irritates everyone, racism, bad taste in entertainment (no rly, fg lacks any of wit and professional directors have even exclaimed their eyerollyness at how poorly fg is written. Its VERY telling that you dont like 'british humour', the polar opposite of the hated family guy 'humour'. Family guy expects its audience to be unintelligent which is why it takes 5 mins just to tell a bland joke, british humour makes a joke and moves on quickly, relying on an intelligent audience to pick up subtlety, so yeah not for you ) and that you get touchy when told otherwise.
A female protagonist wouldn't be too bad, actually. Though I wonder how anyone could beat Lee's backstory. Or how he started the game.
A female protagonist is a very very bad idea. Black/White/Asian doesn't matter so much, But gender does. Why? because people will have preconcieved notions on what the characters will be like before they go in on a game/movie.
if history has shown us anything, you can't have a famale lead character that is sucessful unless she is exploited sexually. Hell, its the only reason that Lara Croft was sucessful. And before you use the example of Samus, no-one knew she was a woman until the final scene of the game.
Take movie history for example. Why are there no female super hero movies? there are ample comics to choose from. They aren't developed further because of society's preconcieved notions on what men and women are able to do.
Strong female leads are great supporting characters, but are usually killed off or made less significant to their male leads. Tke Vasquez from Aliens or any movie staring Michelle Rodriges.
Then there is the Ripley argument as the Alien movies, (apart from 4) were very sucessful. But Ripley still died. You just cant have a female BAMF and let her live.
Well, I suppose thats enough of a troll post for me today.
Then there is the Ripley argument as the Alien movies, (apart from 4) were very sucessful. But Ripley still died. You just cant have a female BAMF and let her live.
I didn't care for the third movie very much, but it was a lot better than the fourth movie (the writer seemed to have taken a bet to see how many times he could work the word fuck into the dialogue). I think that having female protagonist could work, but I think a lot of people wouldn't want to play as a woman.
Uh-huh, eric, aside from the fact that nothing you said there is right, it reveals the true reason to your bully problems. Oh nooooo I'm suuuure it was being white that got you picked on...not the fact that you display narrowmindedness, not knowing what fox is and how it irritates everyone, racism, bad taste in entertainment (no rly, fg lacks any of wit and professional directors have even exclaimed their eyerollyness at how poorly fg is written. Its VERY telling that you dont like 'british humour', the polar opposite of the hated family guy 'humour'. Family guy expects its audience to be unintelligent which is why it takes 5 mins just to tell a bland joke, british humour makes a joke and moves on quickly, relying on an intelligent audience to pick up subtlety, so yeah not for you ) and that you get touchy when told otherwise.
You can't really turn a blind eye on racism. I'm an advocate for equal rights when it comes to discrimination against: age, sex, religion, sexual orientation and race. And it really grinds my gears when people who pretend like white people do not get driscriminated against as well.
IT DOES HAPPEN. What Eric experienced could have possibly been racism or it could have just been obnoxious individuals. We will never know because racism can easily be masked. One thing about the past before the civil rights movement... people actually had the balls to admit they were racist. Now a days people like to pretend they are not but really harbor animosity torwards individuals. By making comments or doing things subliminally. If you question their motives they will quickly deny being racism or turn it on to you... or worst (and the most common) pretend you are just 'imagining' things or paranoid.
I know it all, being born in raised in the south I've seen and lived it. So don't tell me other wise.
Now to those on this notion about having a female lead would be a bad idea. Why would it? So what if people will sexualize her? Maybe if people will stop writing them that way it wouldn't be so hard. Lara croft was a walking sexual stereotype (tight fitting short top that shows her middrift and short shorts?) Not a fair argument to throw her in.
If anything. If telltale decides to make a female lead character. Why not make her a mother with 2 kids she is looking after during the apocalypse? Its hard to sexualize her that way, and she'd be believable. Then again we have sickos here who still would. (Honestly those threads about Carley and Molly are pathetic. :rolleyes: )
Anyways. Stopping now before someone makes a comment about me writing a novel or doing the TL;DR (the epitome of rudeness).
If anything. If telltale decides to make a female lead character. Why not make her a mother with 2 kids she is looking after during the apocalypse?
Good point. Did you ever see the mini web episodes that were (or are, I'm not sure) on the AMC website? At the end a mother is trying to get her kids to a safe place, but she winds up getting bitten and so she sacrifices herself in the hopes that she can give her kids enough time to get away (she winds up as the half eaten zombie that Rick comes across in the first episode). She isn't a hero in the traditional sense, but it was very touching the way she sacrificied herself for the good of her kids. If done right, then having a female as the main character might actually work out well.
Is it racist to wish that the season 2 protagonist will be another minority?
I mean, with Lee, the game broke so many unfortunate traditions in gaming. And with the Walking Dead in general. After that travesty that was T-Dog's character, I was glad to have Lee. But now that he's gone, I fear TellTale will go the typical cut and paste brown-haired white male route.
I know it shouldn't matter, but on a certain level, it does. Especially when it comes to video games and the representation of diversity. I mean, majority of video game protagonists look like this:
Good point. Did you ever see the mini web episodes that were (or are, I'm not sure) on the AMC website? At the end a mother is trying to get her kids to a safe place, but she winds up getting bitten and so she sacrifices herself in the hopes that she can give her kids enough time to get away (she winds up as the half eaten zombie that Rick comes across in the first episode). She isn't a hero in the traditional sense, but it was very touching the way she sacrificied herself for the good of her kids. If done right, then having a female as the main character might actually work out well.
I did see the first two mini-webisodes but never watched the whole thing. That sounds sad but thats a believable character.
OP, it's never racist to want more minority representation in the media. Don't worry about these guys are saying.
And yeah, guys, skin color/gender/ability might not matter to YOU, when YOU see people who look like you all the time, but it does matter to lots of other people. I'll admit that I probably can't understand even close to entirely because I'm white what it's like to try to find positive media as a person of color, but I am a minority in at least two other ways that impact my life on a daily basis... and for one of them, I can honestly say I have never seen a positive representation in gaming. It's not shallow or racist or sexist at all to want to see more positive representation of people who look like you or face similar challenges, especially when representation that isn't stereotyped/troped/negative is really hard to find. Visibility does not necessarily mean acceptance.
OP, it's never racist to want more minority It's not shallow or racist or sexist at all to want to see more positive representation of people who look like you or face similar challenges, especially when representation that isn't stereotyped/troped/negative is really hard to find. Visibility does not necessarily mean acceptance.
Lee starts out in the back of a cop car after murdering his wife's lover, and a lot of the options you have as you play Lee don't cast him in a positive light. I get wanting to see more minorities, what I don't like is hearing "I don't want any more white people." That is racist and insulting, and I think that a person can make their point without resorting to that kind of talk. Either way, it's just my opinion.
People want more diversity. That means, yes. Less white men. The world is changing and becoming more diverse, people are just tired of seeing the same kind of faces over and over again.
It's starting to get repetitive, and I'm glad Kirkman and Telltale have taken a few steps to address it.
Lee starts out in the back of a cop car after murdering his wife's lover, and a lot of the options you have as you play Lee don't cast him in a positive light. I get wanting to see more minorities, what I don't like is hearing "I don't want any more white people." That is racist and insulting, and I think that a person can make their point without resorting to that kind of talk. Either way, it's just my opinion.
You totally missed the point of my post.
1) It's impossible to be racist against white people. I'm not going to argue with you about this so let's agree to disagree.
2) I'm white, as I said before, lol. I don't have an issue playing white people but I think that we have had plenty of positive representation and it's time to let other people have a turn every once in a while. And not every white person is a grizzled guy in their 30s, either. I'd like to see more characters like me, as OP would. To me personally, skin color doesn't matter so much, but I totally understand where they are coming from.
3) Lee is extremely nuanced and that's what's great about his character, but I feel uncomfortable saying more because, again, I'm white and I don't think it's really my place to say if his representation was negative or not.
Funny thing is that you could easily make a zombie fiction meme where the majority of heroes are african american males. Just look at the Romero movies and their remakes alone. Lee fits right in with them. I'm reading Road to Woodbury right now and one of the main characters Josh is another that comes to mind. I don't think there is anything wrong with the OP hoping for a character he could relate to. Personally, I don't really care who stars in the next game as long as they are someone sympathetic.
1) It's impossible to be racist against white people. I'm not going to argue with you about this so let's agree to disagree.
2) I'm white, as I said before, lol. I don't have an issue playing white people but I think that we have had plenty of positive representation and it's time to let other people have a turn every once in a while. And not every white person is a grizzled guy in their 30s, either. I'd like to see more characters like me, as OP would. To me personally, skin color doesn't matter so much, but I totally understand where they are coming from.
3) Lee is extremely nuanced and that's what's great about his character, but I feel uncomfortable saying more because, again, I'm white and I don't think it's really my place to say if his representation was negative or not.
1) That arguement comes from a lack of understanding about what racisim is and is most oflten spouted by racists that don't want to take responsibility for their hateful thoughts and deeds. I couldn't disagree with you more, but as long as you are willing to leave it alone, then I will agree to disagree with you.
2) Most games in this country are made by whites, and played by people that also happen to be white. It is understandable that the characters are also frequently white as well. To be frank, I don't care about my characters skin color all that much.
3) You have the right to your opinion, no matter what your skin color is. Lee can be seen as both negative and positive. You shouldn't need to have black skin in order to say that.
you could add delusional and retarded to that too.
I don't know what happened to all of the gifts and advantages that I was supposed to receive for being born white (maybe they mixed up my address and sent them to somebody else), but someone sure owes me one hell of an explanation.
I'm closing this because this has degraded too much. Please don't insult other users in the future. It's alright to argue, but it's not OK insult people's posts or to insult people's beliefs, style, or tastes. Please be considerate to people in the future.
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The other day fox was advertising for spanish language shows in the middle of Kitchen Nightmares (an english language show for those that aren't familiar with it), change is coming faster than you think. Hispanics make up the majority where I live, and I was treated like crap by the mexican kids I went to school with (they likely learned it from their parents, as that kind of garbage usually begins at home). You can take it to the bank when I tell you that I have never received an ounce of preferencial treatment for having white skin.
Fox? As in FoxNews?
There's your problem right there.
Not mostly, but yes sometimes. They were on there last legs before he ever showed up anyways, most couldn't have kept their doors open for more than another month or two.
I really really REALLY dont want to have to play as some obnoxious white godfearing yank in season 2. No doubt many yanks didnt want to touch this game because you play as a man of african descent protecting an asian.
@Eric
You do have a problem if you literally enjoy family guy....which IS fox.
1) Clementine isn't asian.
2) You are a bit obnoxious yourself.
3) I said it's on Fox, I'm drawing a distinction between Fox and Fox News.
4) Family Guy is witty and insightful, if you are from a foreign country, then I don't expect you to get it. I don't find British humor to be very funny, either.
Have a nice day
Uh-huh, eric, aside from the fact that nothing you said there is right, it reveals the true reason to your bully problems. Oh nooooo I'm suuuure it was being white that got you picked on...not the fact that you display narrowmindedness, not knowing what fox is and how it irritates everyone, racism, bad taste in entertainment (no rly, fg lacks any of wit and professional directors have even exclaimed their eyerollyness at how poorly fg is written. Its VERY telling that you dont like 'british humour', the polar opposite of the hated family guy 'humour'. Family guy expects its audience to be unintelligent which is why it takes 5 mins just to tell a bland joke, british humour makes a joke and moves on quickly, relying on an intelligent audience to pick up subtlety, so yeah not for you
You make no sense. I'd argue with you, but you are probably just some immature kid, and I really don't care what you think.
A female protagonist is a very very bad idea. Black/White/Asian doesn't matter so much, But gender does. Why? because people will have preconcieved notions on what the characters will be like before they go in on a game/movie.
if history has shown us anything, you can't have a famale lead character that is sucessful unless she is exploited sexually. Hell, its the only reason that Lara Croft was sucessful. And before you use the example of Samus, no-one knew she was a woman until the final scene of the game.
Take movie history for example. Why are there no female super hero movies? there are ample comics to choose from. They aren't developed further because of society's preconcieved notions on what men and women are able to do.
Strong female leads are great supporting characters, but are usually killed off or made less significant to their male leads. Tke Vasquez from Aliens or any movie staring Michelle Rodriges.
Then there is the Ripley argument as the Alien movies, (apart from 4) were very sucessful. But Ripley still died. You just cant have a female BAMF and let her live.
Well, I suppose thats enough of a troll post for me today.
I didn't care for the third movie very much, but it was a lot better than the fourth movie (the writer seemed to have taken a bet to see how many times he could work the word fuck into the dialogue). I think that having female protagonist could work, but I think a lot of people wouldn't want to play as a woman.
Exactly what was wrong with T-Dog? He was the biggest fan favorite next to Darryl.
You can't really turn a blind eye on racism. I'm an advocate for equal rights when it comes to discrimination against: age, sex, religion, sexual orientation and race. And it really grinds my gears when people who pretend like white people do not get driscriminated against as well.
IT DOES HAPPEN. What Eric experienced could have possibly been racism or it could have just been obnoxious individuals. We will never know because racism can easily be masked. One thing about the past before the civil rights movement... people actually had the balls to admit they were racist. Now a days people like to pretend they are not but really harbor animosity torwards individuals. By making comments or doing things subliminally. If you question their motives they will quickly deny being racism or turn it on to you... or worst (and the most common) pretend you are just 'imagining' things or paranoid.
I know it all, being born in raised in the south I've seen and lived it. So don't tell me other wise.
Now to those on this notion about having a female lead would be a bad idea. Why would it? So what if people will sexualize her? Maybe if people will stop writing them that way it wouldn't be so hard. Lara croft was a walking sexual stereotype (tight fitting short top that shows her middrift and short shorts?) Not a fair argument to throw her in.
If anything. If telltale decides to make a female lead character. Why not make her a mother with 2 kids she is looking after during the apocalypse? Its hard to sexualize her that way, and she'd be believable. Then again we have sickos here who still would. (Honestly those threads about Carley and Molly are pathetic. :rolleyes: )
Anyways. Stopping now before someone makes a comment about me writing a novel or doing the TL;DR (the epitome of rudeness).
Good point. Did you ever see the mini web episodes that were (or are, I'm not sure) on the AMC website? At the end a mother is trying to get her kids to a safe place, but she winds up getting bitten and so she sacrifices herself in the hopes that she can give her kids enough time to get away (she winds up as the half eaten zombie that Rick comes across in the first episode). She isn't a hero in the traditional sense, but it was very touching the way she sacrificied herself for the good of her kids. If done right, then having a female as the main character might actually work out well.
He answered that earlier, he thinks that the travesty was that T-Dog's character didn't get to develop as much as other characters on the show.
most of those pictured have black hair...
I think he had about as much as Carol did up until he died. They just aren't main characters.
I did see the first two mini-webisodes but never watched the whole thing. That sounds sad but thats a believable character.
And yeah, guys, skin color/gender/ability might not matter to YOU, when YOU see people who look like you all the time, but it does matter to lots of other people. I'll admit that I probably can't understand even close to entirely because I'm white what it's like to try to find positive media as a person of color, but I am a minority in at least two other ways that impact my life on a daily basis... and for one of them, I can honestly say I have never seen a positive representation in gaming. It's not shallow or racist or sexist at all to want to see more positive representation of people who look like you or face similar challenges, especially when representation that isn't stereotyped/troped/negative is really hard to find. Visibility does not necessarily mean acceptance.
Lee starts out in the back of a cop car after murdering his wife's lover, and a lot of the options you have as you play Lee don't cast him in a positive light. I get wanting to see more minorities, what I don't like is hearing "I don't want any more white people." That is racist and insulting, and I think that a person can make their point without resorting to that kind of talk. Either way, it's just my opinion.
It's starting to get repetitive, and I'm glad Kirkman and Telltale have taken a few steps to address it.
"Oh they're gonna have to glue you back together. In hell!"
You totally missed the point of my post.
1) It's impossible to be racist against white people. I'm not going to argue with you about this so let's agree to disagree.
2) I'm white, as I said before, lol. I don't have an issue playing white people but I think that we have had plenty of positive representation and it's time to let other people have a turn every once in a while. And not every white person is a grizzled guy in their 30s, either. I'd like to see more characters like me, as OP would. To me personally, skin color doesn't matter so much, but I totally understand where they are coming from.
3) Lee is extremely nuanced and that's what's great about his character, but I feel uncomfortable saying more because, again, I'm white and I don't think it's really my place to say if his representation was negative or not.
Funny thing is that you could easily make a zombie fiction meme where the majority of heroes are african american males. Just look at the Romero movies and their remakes alone. Lee fits right in with them. I'm reading Road to Woodbury right now and one of the main characters Josh is another that comes to mind. I don't think there is anything wrong with the OP hoping for a character he could relate to. Personally, I don't really care who stars in the next game as long as they are someone sympathetic.
This is wrong on so many levels.
1) That arguement comes from a lack of understanding about what racisim is and is most oflten spouted by racists that don't want to take responsibility for their hateful thoughts and deeds. I couldn't disagree with you more, but as long as you are willing to leave it alone, then I will agree to disagree with you.
2) Most games in this country are made by whites, and played by people that also happen to be white. It is understandable that the characters are also frequently white as well. To be frank, I don't care about my characters skin color all that much.
3) You have the right to your opinion, no matter what your skin color is. Lee can be seen as both negative and positive. You shouldn't need to have black skin in order to say that.
I don't know what happened to all of the gifts and advantages that I was supposed to receive for being born white (maybe they mixed up my address and sent them to somebody else), but someone sure owes me one hell of an explanation.