I would never save someone who wears socks with sandals. Besides, Carley had a gun, and she seemed like an alright character. We got to spent a lot of time with her. Because of that, I saved her rather than the guy standing on lookout who only gets interaction with you when you're searching for the pharmacy keys.
I picked Carley because I liked her more. For some reason Doug just kinda annoyed me. He didn't seem to do anything, and was somewhat boring of a character. On my second play through where I chose Doug he was a lot cooler, but I still prefer Carley.
I picked Carley because I liked her more. For some reason Doug just kinda annoyed me. He didn't seem to do anything, and was somewhat boring of a character. On my second play through where I chose Doug he was a lot cooler, but I still prefer Carley.
Yeah, they should have brought Doug's character out a little more like they do in the next episodes as well as give him more screen time. It would give players a good incentive to save Doug over Carley in episode 1 because, as is, there really isn't many good reasons to save Doug in your first, main playthrough.
Well you are in the extreme minority, just like me and anyone else who saved Doug. Like I said, its in the 20% range. I can't exactly remember if its 23% or 28% but whatever the number; it should be highlighted for social condemnation for the Western world.
Well you are in the extreme minority, just like me and anyone else who saved Doug. Like I said, its in the 20% range. I can't exactly remember if its 23% or 28% but whatever the number; it should be highlighted for social condemnation for the Western world.
Then I'm also in the 3% that fed Doug in Episode 2. I heard he usually refuses, but I gave him some jerky, and he took the jerky. So I was like, "Alright."
F. ? Carley stands up for herself and another person by standing up to Lilly, something Doug could have never done.
Actually, Carley got heated and involved in an argument she had to know would end in Lilly becoming completely unscrewed. All she did with her "standing up" was get herself killed. Doug tried to calm the situation down and get Lilly to not kill anyone, and he died saving someone else. Also in the drugstore, Carley gets killed because she cant kill 1 zombie. Doug holds off an entire window of zombies using only his spine. Not to mention he saved Carley from a van surrounded by zombies. Doug died with 10 times more of a badass than Carley.
To be honest, the thing that doomed Doug (for me) was the fact he seemed like a gimmick.
Sure he could do a few neat and obscure tricks - but I didn't get a "he'll have my back in a fight" vibe from him.
While that's not why I saved Carley, it is why I didn't even try to save Doug.
Originally I thought I could save both, but when I found out I couldn't, I didn't really regret it.
In the long run he has knowledge very few people would have in the world, anyone can learn to fire a gun but not everyone would be able to hot wire a car, set up a power grid circuit board or create distractions using remotes. You could always teach Doug how to shoot.
Carly wasted 6 shots to kill 1 walker at some point, Larry did say at one point she had an itchy trigger finger which suggests that in the time he had spent with her in the group prior to Lee, Clem and Kenny's family appearing she'd somehow showed to him examples of her being bad with both conserving ammo or thinking about the problems using the gun would cause and just jumps into action without clear thinking.
Also in the scenario when you had to save her she had only 1 walker by her ankle she could have easily got off with a good hard kick yet Doug was struggling fighting off 3 and they both had equal chances of survival based on Lee's help? :L
Carly also couldn't figure out how batteries work...yeah...
I saved Carley because she had a gun and is damn good with it. The fact that she was female had nothing to do with it (I'm female). Though, after watching some LPs with Doug, I do kinda regret losing him.
I'm pretty sure they killed Carley in episode 3 because they were tired of making two storylines where so many people were invested in only Carley and not Doug LOL. Poor Doug.
To be honest, I chose Carley because she had a gun. You'd figure tossing her her ammo could save her and she could shoot the two walkers attacking Doug.
Remember this same person with the gun couldn't figure out how batteries worked :L
Thing is a tech guy like Doug would be useful for hotwiring cars or helping to set up small circuit grids for supplying power to an area or a house your fortified in and you can always teach someone how to shoot but you can't teach someone how to use a lot of tech.
I think of it more as a lot of players in the heat of the moment chose Carly because
1. She's a women, women and children first probably kicked in.
2. She has a gun which was more likely to help your situation to get out of the pharmacy.
3. She could have possibly saved Doug afterwards.
People more likely saved her for those options at the time but in retrospect Doug would have been a more useful member to the group later but at the time no one thought
"Hmm I wonder if Doug would be more useful later on IF we get out of here alive" what a lot of players thought was
"Hmm I wonder who is more likely TO GET us out of here alive, unarmed guy trapped by 3 zombies or an armed girl only being held by 1."
Carley also new about Lee's past which gets more to save her, also she is more noticable than Doug, Doug barley talks. She saved multiple lifes in the little time we saw her. and episode 2 is actually harder during some points with Doug rather than Carley, same 4 episode 3.
I still find it somewhat dumb how you can't be like "Clem, get Carley her purse!".
This is my problem with a lot of choices in games, not just The Walking Dead. They don't take into account things players think up.
Spec Ops: The Line is a good example of this. There's one scene where you're told, plain as day, to pick between shooting one of two prisoners or they both die. Though the game never tells you it, you can shoot the snipers, you can shoot the ropes, you can walk past, that sort of thing. Extra Creditz's episode on the game pointed out developers should make the scene, then play it as if they were the person with the controller and consider all the different variables they might think up in that situation.
The game never really takes into account variables. What if you saved one quick enough you could reach the other? What if you could toss Carley her ammo, then grab Doug? What if Carley has a revelation she can just stamp on the bloody thing and Doug needs more help? I understand they don't want a "Golden Choice" that always leads to the best outcome, but still...
I think Carley enhanced the story a bit more than Doug did. Come on now, who doesn't like romance? The tragedy became bigger when Lily shot Carley because there was a connection between her and Lee. She could've been a mother figure for Clem had not Lily shot her in the face.
F. ? Carley stands up for herself and another person by standing up to Lilly, something Doug could have never done.
Actually Doug did. His death was because he SAVED BEN'S LIFE! Lilly pulled the gun at him and Doug dove straight at Ben to push him out of the way and died from the stray bullet. He sacrificed his life to save another, something Carley never did.
In fact, she makes someone else die for her because she is too lazy to kick a zombie.
There were a few reasons I picked Carley over Doug. And no, one isn't "IT HAS TITS!".
1. Crack shot, showing a few headshots in the short time we know her.
2. Courageous, shown by how she comes to other's aid.
3. Does what is right, not a "it was orders" kind of person, shown by how she ignored Lilly's order to not help our initial group. She was one that I felt could keep us honest.
4. In the moment, she had a gun; Doug was grabbed by three zombies, I was hoping she'd shoot the ones on her then quickly fire off a few to save Doug (was wrong on that account though).
I liked Doug, but while being a nerd and IT tech is useful at first; down the line we'd need more security and hunters than someone who can program a remote. The power won't last forever, which is exactly what happens at the end of the episode. Not bashing his redneck security system though, that was pretty sweet.
In short, I picked the choice I hoped would be able to get everyone out of the pharmacy alive. It had nothing to do with Guy V Girl.
There were a few reasons I picked Carley over Doug. And no, one isn't "IT HAS TITS!".
1. Crack shot, showing a few headshots in the short time we know her.
2. Courageous, shown by how she comes to other's aid.
3. Does what is right, not a "it was orders" kind of person, shown by how she ignored Lilly's order to not help our initial group. She was one that I felt could keep us honest.
4. In the moment, she had a gun; Doug was grabbed by three zombies, I was hoping she'd shoot the ones on her then quickly fire off a few to save Doug (was wrong on that account though).
I liked Doug, but while being a nerd and IT tech is useful at first; down the line we'd need more security and hunters than someone who can program a remote. The power won't last forever, which is exactly what happens at the end of the episode. Not bashing his redneck security system though, that was pretty sweet.
In short, I picked the choice I hoped would be able to get everyone out of the pharmacy alive. It had nothing to do with Guy V Girl.
The same for me! I guess, I am just someone who is hoping he does the best for the people in the group.
I realized that the game is "better" in a sense when Carley is around, and that Episode 2 and 3 are easier because of her. My reasons?
Carley: Easy mode
-In Episode 2, you get attacked by an undead Travis/David. With Carley around, she will shoot the walker in the head
-In Episode 3, you get the chance to interact with Carley to the point where she can give you a kiss on the cheek, lifting your hopes and spirits.
-In the bandit raid in Episode 3, when the walkers begin to attack, Carley will assist you in taking them out.
-In Episode 3, she also gives you the chance to tell the others about your past, which makes them respect you more.
Doug: Hard mode
-In Episode 2, you get attacked by an undead Travis/David. With Doug around, he will attempt to hit the walker in the head with a plank of wood. It doesn't have much affect and you have to deal with it yourself until Larry/Mark takes it out.
-In Episode 3, you get the chance to interact with Doug. He will tell you that he feels completely useless, which in my case, made me kind of sad.
-In Episode 3, when the bandits raid, Doug will warn you about the incoming walkers, and not wanting to waste any bullets, stays in the RV. That leaves Lee to take them out.
-You saved Doug. He doesn't know about your past. Therefore everybody is taken by surprise when Lilly rats you out.
-Carley only shoots the walker at the very end, the only difference is instead of having to smash the zombies head against the truck 1 more time (which Doug does for you with the board) is that you dont have to move your mouse to the right for Larry/Mark to kill him, so it ends up being the same
-During the gunfight, Carley initially kills 2 bandits, whereas Doug kills 1.
Although Carley does help kill walkers afterwards, Doug "fixes" the solenoid (by smashing it with a hammer) and you get to leave slightly earlier, so you dont have to kill as many walkers
-Although I agree, getting to talk about Doug's sense of inadequacy isnt as appealing as telling the group about your past, I found Doug's interactions much better in Ep.2, so the dialogue is really a matter of personal opinion
really, the only thing is the gunfight is slightly easier with Carley
and that was why she deserved to get shot. I saved doug and he is right that it was a bit more challenging but telltale made the choice completely stupid as they gave people who saved carely a chance to tell everyone about lee's past and gain everyones respect. I feel like they really didnt let doug assist the other players like those who immediatley went for the pretty girl with the gun(campman was right).
Carley deserved to get shot? dude!!! lily was there accusing ppl and Carley didnt like that. and dont say Carley shouldnt talk to lily like that just cuz lily lost her father, we havent even seen Carley's family u dont see her freaking out so much. lily is a very weak survivor and would not last much longer even if she didnt kill Carley or Doug. Carley was trying to be reasonable from the start but lily kept bitching so Carley got angry. thats what happens. if u think Carley deserved to get shot just because of what she did to lily, ur a complete dumb ass and should grow up alittle.
Carley deserved to get shot? dude!!! lily was there accusing ppl and Carley didnt like that.
Lilly accused the right person though.
and dont say Carley shouldnt talk to lily like that just cuz lily lost her father,
She shouldn't though. Lilly was armed and ready to kill and Carley decided to tell her off then instead of... when she wasn't armed and ready to kill. That is the sole reason Carley died.
we havent even seen Carley's family u dont see her freaking out so much.
Maybe because Carley's family didn't get killed by a member of the exact group you are in, and in such a gruesome way. Anyone would snap from that.
lily is a very weak survivor and would not last much longer even if she didnt kill Carley or Doug.
She seemed to be doing a pretty good job to me.
Carley was trying to be reasonable from the start but lily kept bitching so Carley got angry.
"Someone just let bandits into our base and now we are stranded in an RV" isn't exactly bitching, it's called "figuring out who needs justice" and she did figure out who it was. Carley decided to but in and make Lilly think it was her.
if u think Carley deserved to get shot just because of what she did to lily, ur a complete dumb ass and should grow up alittle.
Says the person that got so mad because someone said a fictional character deserved to die. Why do people defend Carley when she died due to pissing off the person with the gun, and then had many brilliant moments such as forgetting batteries exist, and wasting ammo constantly, and telling a convicted killer she knows nothing about that she knows who he is, and dear god the list goes on
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If anything, Carley's reaction was extremely practical. While Glenn's was fueled by basement nerd hormones.
Yeah, haha. Lee was really fast to jump on board too.
How the fuck did he pull that off?
If he's got that kind of aim and precision, they should have given that boy a firearm
Of course, I might be jealous because I can't aim a laser pointer for nothing.
He was probably fiddling with it before it got in Andy's eye.
Sure he could do a few neat and obscure tricks - but I didn't get a "he'll have my back in a fight" vibe from him.
While that's not why I saved Carley, it is why I didn't even try to save Doug.
Originally I thought I could save both, but when I found out I couldn't, I didn't really regret it.
Well you are in the extreme minority, just like me and anyone else who saved Doug. Like I said, its in the 20% range. I can't exactly remember if its 23% or 28% but whatever the number; it should be highlighted for social condemnation for the Western world.
Then I'm also in the 3% that fed Doug in Episode 2. I heard he usually refuses, but I gave him some jerky, and he took the jerky. So I was like, "Alright."
Carley: Dumb bitch with a gun
Doug: Resourceful and not a dumb bitch.
Actually, Carley got heated and involved in an argument she had to know would end in Lilly becoming completely unscrewed. All she did with her "standing up" was get herself killed. Doug tried to calm the situation down and get Lilly to not kill anyone, and he died saving someone else. Also in the drugstore, Carley gets killed because she cant kill 1 zombie. Doug holds off an entire window of zombies using only his spine. Not to mention he saved Carley from a van surrounded by zombies. Doug died with 10 times more of a badass than Carley.
In the long run he has knowledge very few people would have in the world, anyone can learn to fire a gun but not everyone would be able to hot wire a car, set up a power grid circuit board or create distractions using remotes. You could always teach Doug how to shoot.
Carly wasted 6 shots to kill 1 walker at some point, Larry did say at one point she had an itchy trigger finger which suggests that in the time he had spent with her in the group prior to Lee, Clem and Kenny's family appearing she'd somehow showed to him examples of her being bad with both conserving ammo or thinking about the problems using the gun would cause and just jumps into action without clear thinking.
Also in the scenario when you had to save her she had only 1 walker by her ankle she could have easily got off with a good hard kick yet Doug was struggling fighting off 3 and they both had equal chances of survival based on Lee's help? :L
Carly also couldn't figure out how batteries work...yeah...
And where exactly would one get multiple books providing tech know-how during an Apocalypse?
And, I mean, look at him! He's like a rolly-polly! Who wouldn't pick the guy?
I mean that time where you leave the Pharmacy at the gates is pretty much the only time you talk to him, and it's hardly anything.
To be honest, I chose Carley because she had a gun. You'd figure tossing her her ammo could save her and she could shoot the two walkers attacking Doug.
Carley also new about Lee's past which gets more to save her, also she is more noticable than Doug, Doug barley talks. She saved multiple lifes in the little time we saw her. and episode 2 is actually harder during some points with Doug rather than Carley, same 4 episode 3.
This is my problem with a lot of choices in games, not just The Walking Dead. They don't take into account things players think up.
Spec Ops: The Line is a good example of this. There's one scene where you're told, plain as day, to pick between shooting one of two prisoners or they both die. Though the game never tells you it, you can shoot the snipers, you can shoot the ropes, you can walk past, that sort of thing. Extra Creditz's episode on the game pointed out developers should make the scene, then play it as if they were the person with the controller and consider all the different variables they might think up in that situation.
The game never really takes into account variables. What if you saved one quick enough you could reach the other? What if you could toss Carley her ammo, then grab Doug? What if Carley has a revelation she can just stamp on the bloody thing and Doug needs more help? I understand they don't want a "Golden Choice" that always leads to the best outcome, but still...
Doug defends Ben to the point where he sacrafices his own life to save him
I think that is 100X more
I'd like to see a billboard with "SAVE DOUG" On it.
Apparently 70-80% of the people playing the game.
Beat me to it
Actually Doug did. His death was because he SAVED BEN'S LIFE! Lilly pulled the gun at him and Doug dove straight at Ben to push him out of the way and died from the stray bullet. He sacrificed his life to save another, something Carley never did.
In fact, she makes someone else die for her because she is too lazy to kick a zombie.
1. Crack shot, showing a few headshots in the short time we know her.
2. Courageous, shown by how she comes to other's aid.
3. Does what is right, not a "it was orders" kind of person, shown by how she ignored Lilly's order to not help our initial group. She was one that I felt could keep us honest.
4. In the moment, she had a gun; Doug was grabbed by three zombies, I was hoping she'd shoot the ones on her then quickly fire off a few to save Doug (was wrong on that account though).
I liked Doug, but while being a nerd and IT tech is useful at first; down the line we'd need more security and hunters than someone who can program a remote. The power won't last forever, which is exactly what happens at the end of the episode. Not bashing his redneck security system though, that was pretty sweet.
In short, I picked the choice I hoped would be able to get everyone out of the pharmacy alive. It had nothing to do with Guy V Girl.
The same for me! I guess, I am just someone who is hoping he does the best for the people in the group.
-Carley only shoots the walker at the very end, the only difference is instead of having to smash the zombies head against the truck 1 more time (which Doug does for you with the board) is that you dont have to move your mouse to the right for Larry/Mark to kill him, so it ends up being the same
-During the gunfight, Carley initially kills 2 bandits, whereas Doug kills 1.
Although Carley does help kill walkers afterwards, Doug "fixes" the solenoid (by smashing it with a hammer) and you get to leave slightly earlier, so you dont have to kill as many walkers
-Although I agree, getting to talk about Doug's sense of inadequacy isnt as appealing as telling the group about your past, I found Doug's interactions much better in Ep.2, so the dialogue is really a matter of personal opinion
really, the only thing is the gunfight is slightly easier with Carley
Still, Carley and Lilly were opposites.
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Carley deserved to get shot? dude!!! lily was there accusing ppl and Carley didnt like that. and dont say Carley shouldnt talk to lily like that just cuz lily lost her father, we havent even seen Carley's family u dont see her freaking out so much. lily is a very weak survivor and would not last much longer even if she didnt kill Carley or Doug. Carley was trying to be reasonable from the start but lily kept bitching so Carley got angry. thats what happens. if u think Carley deserved to get shot just because of what she did to lily, ur a complete dumb ass and should grow up alittle.
*facepalm*
Lilly accused the right person though.
She shouldn't though. Lilly was armed and ready to kill and Carley decided to tell her off then instead of... when she wasn't armed and ready to kill. That is the sole reason Carley died.
Maybe because Carley's family didn't get killed by a member of the exact group you are in, and in such a gruesome way. Anyone would snap from that.
She seemed to be doing a pretty good job to me.
"Someone just let bandits into our base and now we are stranded in an RV" isn't exactly bitching, it's called "figuring out who needs justice" and she did figure out who it was. Carley decided to but in and make Lilly think it was her.
Says the person that got so mad because someone said a fictional character deserved to die. Why do people defend Carley when she died due to pissing off the person with the gun, and then had many brilliant moments such as forgetting batteries exist, and wasting ammo constantly, and telling a convicted killer she knows nothing about that she knows who he is, and dear god the list goes on