Episode 3- Only 42% left Lilly behind?
After she shoots Carly in the face? Really? What possible reason would people have for keeping her? I had been looking for a way to get rid of her since the drugstore.
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After a while I got the idea there was nothing I could do. As pissed as I was at Lilly, she was a decent shot and knew how to handle herself. I was a wimp with most of the decisions too so keeping Lilly kind of went along with Lee being a saint.
We all know it really doesn't matter if you keep her anyway, but still. Being under the illusion that she'll at least be somewhat helpful especially since Lee bailed her out.
I really wish leaving Ben had been an option. Not a popular choice but dah whelp.
TBH it was solely because Lilly alone seemed like it would violate comic canon, no way she could've survived long enough to get to woodsbury. I would've left her had I known that they retconned her into not being the same Lilly.
I don't know. What happens if you don't leave her?
I let her back in because the moment she shot him you could see on her face that she knew she had made a huge mistake. And I didn't feel angry at her, just extremely frustrated over the loss of my only friend. And I couldn't blame her for doing it, her behavior on episode 3 was the consequence of all the events (especially her father's death) that were happening at those moments and it didn't surprise me that she actually broke down. I was only surprised by the fact that she reached a point where she thought killing someone on the group would solve our problems, but she seemed to regret that enough...
When you enter the RV to get the pencil in order to do the leaf-thingy and get the instructions to start the train, after you pick it up and turn around, Lilly is standing there. Depending on how you treated her, she offers you to get the RV and get out of there. If you say "Yes", she'll tell you to go get Clementine, but when you get to Clem, Lilly steals the RV, and if you say "No", she'll push you out and steal the RV as well.
I wasnt one of those people :P
Maybe because my Lee was interested in her? :rolleyes:
For me, she shot Doug.
Yes, I was just going by the percentages. I remember from Ep. 1 that a large percentage chose to save the hot chick over the chubby nerd.
The fact that she snapped under the pressure is the main reason to leave her behind. She can't be trusted and is susceptible to snapping again and killing another innocent person.
After the episode, I thought for sure the number of people leaving her behind would be in the 70%+ range. It may have been due to the choices I made, but I was extremely happy when her father died and spent the rest of the time trying to undermine and get rid of her, but the game wouldn't allow it.
Now I can't wait to get rid of Ben...
Kenny wanted to let a teenager fall to his death. Both, Lilly and Kenny, had reasons to break down. If you want to blame this on something, blame it on the Zombie Apocalypse
it was the teenager that wanted to fall to his death, if kenny actually wanted to kill ben he could have
Likewise with Lilly. The motel had just been overrun by bandits and walkers, the group lost all of their supplies, and there was a traitor amongst them. Carley standing up to Lilly set her off, which resulted in Carley dying. Again, a heat of the moment thing. In both scenarios, Kenny and Lilly just went through something extremely painful, traumatizing, or horrific (bandit raid/finding out there was a traitor for Lilly. Surrounded by walkers/finding out Ben got Kat and Duck killed for Kenny).
The real choice to keep Lilly or not, I think, was made in the meat locker. If you tried to save Lilly's dad, you know that she will still have your back because you were there for her when she needed it most. So you take her with you to help her through her problems and make up for what she did. If you helped Kenny, then you should probably leave Lilly because you just saw her snap and kill Carley for standing up to her. And since you held her back while her father's head was smashed in, there's a good chance she'll turn her gun on YOU the next time she gets a chance.
I disagree. I think you have that backwards. If you tried to help Lilly out in her moment of need and attempt to save her father only to have her do that to someone you care about, I think the impulse reaction to her betrayal is to turn your back on her.
Boy, who does that remind me of?!
Oh that's right, Lee Everett!
He's a murderer too under similar circumstances and I'm sure you love him.
So why not give her a second chance?
Because she did it in the zombie apocalypse, where losing a member of the group(especially a 100% accuracy shot like Carley) lowers everyone's survival chance drastically. Lilly put everyone at risk forcing them all to get out, even more risk with the shouting and then the gunshot. She may as well have killed everyone on that road.
Pre-apocalypse killings don't matter as much as post-apocalypse ones, because most people are forced to stick together to survive and every able body counts. In the normal world, you get punished and the world keeps on turning.
This was it for me. I played the diplomat through most of episodes 1 and 2 and even then I did the same. I helped her out a lot in trying to keep things calm and keep everyone's head on straight, especially Kenny's if you don't agree with him (funnily, he still went with me at end of Ep 4).
And for her to then ruin everything and kill a group member in cold blood like that.. she was dead to me from that moment. I could not see her as a part of the group anymore after that. She became a threat to it.
And my Lee ensures threats are dealth with.
Btw, I tried to save her father (though i hated him) and i still didnt like lilly. nor did i like kenny or ben (but saved him). i wish lilly would have shot ben, i did what i could to accuse him and defend carley, but still i couldnt save her...
I totally thought that would develop. She calls you sweet and says they're lucky to have you in EP1, side with her over Kenny and feed Larry and she seems really into you, and try to save her Dad and she's really nice to you in EP3. Why oh why did you have to kill a group member Lilly... We could have been together
It would've been cool to tell Lilly it wasn't Carley who was the traitor and see how she would've reacted to it.
You mean the guy who's more useful?
But what do I know... Maybe all the fixing remotes and whatnot in the past gave Doug real silky smooth hands. Easier to roll that thick doobie up real right and pass it naw'mean
Yep, that's really what my beef with Doug was. That was unforgivable! :P
Although secretly, I was hopíng she would go back to normal and maybe something between her and Lee would develop (which made me feel sick of myself beacuse, you know, Carley).
"Lee is getting that puss tonight. Lee is getting that puss tonight." xD
Well since Carley can ONLY shoot a gun that depends on bullets, when bullets run out, Carley has no other use. Doug on the other hand doesn't need bullets to be useful, he uses his surroundings to make nifty USEFUL things.
She had just killed a member of the group (Carley) in cold blood. This also wasn't a case of shooting someone who was bit or had just had a heart attack, but rather someone was healty and bodied person and who happened to also be one of the most capable of the group with a firearm. Even worse, she had shot someone in a fit of paranoid rage who clear wasn't the traitor.
There was no other way for it to end with Lilly, IMO. An unjustified murder of someone in your group would have to be one of the worst sins of the Zombie Apocalype, and Lilly had just robbed the group of one of its most capable members.
For that Lilly fully deserved banishment. And flying off the handle like that meant she could no longer be trusted with the other survivors, especially when there were 2 children in the group to think about. (Duck's bite reveal not having happened yet)
I suppose Lilly comes off as slightly more sympathetic if Doug is in the group, since she means to shoot the actual traitor (Ben) and only kills Doug accidentally. But even so, I still think she deserves to be left on the side of the road. In either case she kills the wrong person and endangers the rest of the group, and is clearly unstable and a risk to keep around.
If Lilly was a guy you can bet the number that left her would be more like 90%.
I dumped her ASAP. I tried to be supportive of her the whole way (because she did make good points) but murdering Doug was too far.
At the last moment I figured we could take her and decide after, if we want to leave her behind later we can, right?
Guess not, we should've left dat bitch while we had the chance.
It was no longer about holding grudges, or surviving...it was going to be about living and enjoying these people while I could. I suppose that's what the game's story was about in the end.
It's surprising to me that one of the most powerful stories to come out this year wasn't from a book, movie, television series, or any of that. It was from a video game, and it was only as powerful as it was because of the choices I had to make. I'm forced to think about my choices at the end, and the game cruelly leaves me to interpret Clementine's fate with "Lee's Last Advice." You never get to see the results of your advise, and the only comfort is in knowing that "Clementine will remember this."
The choices were never going to be about changing the ending like I expected, but how they affected people and their situations, and because of that this is one video game...no, this is one story I'm never going to forget. It hits something primal and so very emotional that there is no way video games can't be considered art anymore. This is one for the history of gaming.
You put my feelings into words much better than I could have.
When I posted this thread, I had just finished the episode, and that was the first time I've ever played a game that gut punched me like that...and then came the ending...
This included keeping Lily in the group.
Killing is never good, not even as revenge. Leaving someone behind is close to killing someone.