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If Clementine is not in Season 2....

Willzy123Willzy123
edited December 2012 in The Walking Dead
then what is the point in Season 2?

It must feature Clem or Christa & Omid, or ANYONE who possibly can be alive or Season 2 shouldn't be called The Walking Dead.

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  • ZeruisZeruis
    edited December 2012
    Even if nobody makes an appearance in season 2 that was in season 1, it'd still be called "season" 2. There are many series out there that are called "season" 2 but do not allude to the previous season in terms of characters.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited December 2012
    The point is that it's the walking dead - not the adventures of Clementine.
  • dubesordubesor
    edited December 2012
    Tbh I don't mind. I can see a season 2 with totally different people. Or even with some old people like Clem, Christa Omid etc. I am not sure which one I would prefer, but I would be fine with either really. I think just starting a totally different set of people would give the writers a lot more freedom. Maybe they even preserve their older characters for a much later season. Maybe meet Clem 5 Years later in Season 3 or something ;)

    Now, thinking about it I would really prefer a new set of people. Hate to say it but I kind of became bored of being the babysitter. A new role would certainly be appreciated.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited December 2012
    Well, my concern with focusing on Clem is that it'll weaken the narrative.

    In Season 1 - we knew that anyone could die at any time - thus there was the potential for loss, a powerful tool in a horror story.

    Remove that, by giving a character -- ANY CHARACTER -- plot armor and you lose that - it becomes..... just another game.

    TWD didn't win Video Game of the Year or whatever for being.... just another game.
  • dubesordubesor
    edited December 2012
    tbh Clem already had plot armor since episode 1. It was soooooo obvious that she wouldn't die in any episode. the focus on her was too hard and obvious since the beginning = typical plot armor.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited December 2012
    No, not really. We knew that she and Lee would live till episode 5. That had been all but stated by the developers.

    There was no real indicator Clem was invulnerable.

    I almost expected to find her dressed up like a turkey when you go to save her from Crazy-Dude.
  • Luigi01080Luigi01080
    edited December 2012
    well if they want a season 3 they can have her wait in that scene and they can have the 2 shadows be some other survivors that we will survive with in season 2 with a new set of people who will eventually meet up with clementine for season 3.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited December 2012
    Now that'd be rather cool.
  • No RegretsNo Regrets
    edited December 2012
    Willzy123 wrote: »
    then what is the point in Season 2?

    It must feature Clem or Christa & Omid, or ANYONE who possibly can be alive or Season 2 shouldn't be called The Walking Dead.
    What is the point? To experience the universe of The Walking Dead through the eyes of a new protagonist and a new cast of characters with different points of view, personalities, quirks, and issues they have to struggle with.
  • zev_zevzev_zev
    edited December 2012
    I think that the second season will be about another group of survivors. About those people who saw the Clem in the distance. We will see how thay survived this three mounth. And at the end of the second season, we will see in the distance Clementine. But if that theory becoming true, I will so much miss to Clem.
  • shedimshedim
    edited December 2012
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    Well, my concern with focusing on Clem is that it'll weaken the narrative.

    In Season 1 - we knew that anyone could die at any time - thus there was the potential for loss, a powerful tool in a horror story.

    Remove that, by giving a character -- ANY CHARACTER -- plot armor and you lose that - it becomes..... just another game.

    TWD didn't win Video Game of the Year or whatever for being.... just another game.

    That's why it was quite retarded to "force" Lee's death in Season 1. I doubt the community wants to play a 9 year old girl for an entire season and introducing a new character as the protagonist is just dumb. Would have been easier to let Lee survive Season 1 and kill him in S2, if they still felt like it.
    No Regrets wrote: »
    What is the point? To experience the universe of The Walking Dead through the eyes of a new protagonist and a new cast of characters with different points of view, personalities, quirks, and issues they have to struggle with.

    So why didn't Kirkman kill Rick after 5 or 10 issues, if it's that great to see the TWD universe through somebody else's eyes? Because he's not a retard unlike the guy who wrote this game's story. People liked Rick and would get bored as hell when people die all the time and the protagonist switches every 5 episodes or so. Imagine if Darth Vader died in the very first Star Wars movie. Would Star Wars still be the same, if he had been replaced by some other evil dude, who gets killed in the 2nd movie only to get replaced by another evil dude in "Return of the Jedi" who turns out to be Luke's father, then? SOunds quite lame, doesn't it.
  • ZeruisZeruis
    edited December 2012
    shedim wrote: »
    That's why it was quite retarded to "force" Lee's death in Season 1. I doubt the community wants to play a 9 year old girl for an entire season and introducing a new character as the protagonist is just dumb. Would have been easier to let Lee survive Season 1 and kill him in S2, if they still felt like it.

    Telltale did great on what they did, imo. Keeping Lee alive would have made the series boring just like the comics. How long has Rick been alive?
  • short_stackshort_stack
    edited December 2012
    im totally fine with a new crew, and leaving the Clementine legacy ambiguous and intact.
  • ChomposaurChomposaur
    edited December 2012
    I disagree with Season 2 needing Clem. What about the people who gave Clem different advice before Lee died? Are their choices just going to be ignored when Season 2 starts and Clem shows up wherever the story needs her? Leaving Clem's story ambigious at least lets all of us be "right" with our playthroughs.
  • anonymau5anonymau5
    edited December 2012
    Luigi01080 wrote: »
    well if they want a season 3 they can have her wait in that scene and they can have the 2 shadows be some other survivors that we will survive with in season 2 with a new set of people who will eventually meet up with clementine for season 3.

    This. I vote for this.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited December 2012
    @Shedim - I don't think it was forced, I think it was a case of keeping true to their plans despite being able to go ahead with Season 2.
  • plaqueconspiracyplaqueconspiracy
    edited December 2012
    I'm gay in that way that I love open endings. I could be done with this particular story right now and be satisfied.

    Let's see what happens tho
  • zev_zevzev_zev
    edited December 2012
    From the interview with "The Walking Dead" voice actors:

    [Melissa Hatchison] Let’s just put it this way. That was one of the most INTENSE recording sessions I have EVER had. I’m pretty sure Dave and Gavin would agree with me on this one. Hold on to your hats, kids. This ride isn’t over yet!

    Any more questions about Clem will be in second season?
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited December 2012
    Sure. Melissa Hutchison STILL couldn't be in Season 2 and just be glad that the series continues - or she could just take another role (she's been in three other Telltale franchises as of yet). ;)

    As for the other characters and their "need" to be in another Season - the comic pretty much makes a point about not meeting people twice. Most people in the zombie world just don't know whether most of their former relations live on, have died or run around as zombies. Like Ben in the game, for instance.
  • fishmahboifishmahboi
    edited December 2012
    Would Clem's appearance in Season 2 not be inevitable anyway due to the cliffhanger at the end of Episode 5 or would Telltale, just as Chomosaur said, keep her fate following that scene hidden and leave it to speculation as one plays as the new group of survivors.
  • CarScarCarScar
    edited December 2012
    zev_zev wrote: »
    From the interview with "The Walking Dead" voice actors:

    [Melissa Hatchison] Let’s just put it this way. That was one of the most INTENSE recording sessions I have EVER had. I’m pretty sure Dave and Gavin would agree with me on this one. Hold on to your hats, kids. This ride isn’t over yet!

    Any more questions about Clem will be in second season?
    I'm pretty sure I heard that interview and I do believe she was referring to episode five and not season two.
  • AnTeaAnTea
    edited December 2012
    The thing is, The Walking Dead, as a TV show or a comics, has always been following the story of the ame person/people.
    I think it would be disappointing not to keep going on with Clementine, since she's probably the most interesting character ever. I mean, how this little girl, who is a symbol of "hope in a world of despair" is gonna change her way of living? There's a lot to do with Clementine, a lot of interesting things to do. And I don't think TTG would ignore this.
  • zev_zevzev_zev
    edited December 2012
    AnTea wrote: »
    The thing is, The Walking Dead, as a TV show or a comics, has always been following the story of the ame person/people.
    I think it would be disappointing not to keep going on with Clementine, since she's probably the most interesting character ever. I mean, how this little girl, who is a symbol of "hope in a world of despair" is gonna change her way of living? There's a lot to do with Clementine, a lot of interesting things to do. And I don't think TTG would ignore this.

    Totally agree with you.
  • KingOfTheDeadKingOfTheDead
    edited December 2012
    The walking dead is "the zombie movie that never ends, we won't wonder what happens to the characters we will see it" not a direct quote from RK but it kind of sums it up. Clem will be in it the epilogue basically tells you that you'll see Clem next time
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited December 2012
    This game is not the comic though......
  • KingOfTheDeadKingOfTheDead
    edited December 2012
    But it's based on it :p
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited December 2012
    Not the point though - you can't apply a quote directed at the comic to a game made by different people (even if RK has final say so on it - which I'm assuming is the case)
  • KingOfTheDeadKingOfTheDead
    edited December 2012
    I'm saying it's based of his comic so they must follow something. That quote I used even though it's not direct I said it because I feel that for Clem lovers like myself it gives hope well see her next season
  • watertommyzwatertommyz
    edited December 2012
    I think Clementine will make cameo appearances, and depending on what you told her in the ending she will either....

    A. Help the new group in various situations.
    B. Screw the new group in various situations.

    However, knowing what happens kind of ruins the whole "reflect and wonder" about your choices aspect. I think Telltale has a lot to balance out, and it's going to be hard to top this one. Though, we do need to know what happened to Omid and Christa...I was just beginning to like them.
  • MornaiMornai
    edited December 2012
    Without the after credits scene, i would have been fine if Clementine was not in season 2. Since they added that scene, however, it seems extremely obvious they're setting something up involving her for season 2, otherwise they wouldn't have added it in there.

    The fade to black with Lee would have been perfect for that "you decide what happens to Clementine" etc. style of ambiguity, but the last scene goes against it. With that, i will be disappointed if she's not involved in some way.
  • watertommyzwatertommyz
    edited December 2012
    Mornai wrote: »
    Without the after credits scene, i would have been fine if Clementine was not in season 2. Since they added that scene, however, it seems extremely obvious they're setting something up involving her for season 2, otherwise they wouldn't have added it in there.

    The fade to black with Lee would have been perfect for that "you decide what happens to Clementine" etc. style of ambiguity, but the last scene goes against it. With that, i will be disappointed if she's not involved in some way.

    I actually still felt the same way about the after credits scene. It just reinforced it in a way, but yes it does look more like its purpose was to go "well, what happens next?"

    I think it works for both purposes.
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