Lee Was NOT Unconscious For Days
Everyone is saying that it's ridiculous because Lee was out in the car for days.
But actually, he wasn't.
Lee's eyes flicker open twice. The first time they open, you can hear the cop screaming and zombies feeding. The second time they open, which everyone is saying is hours later, you can actually still hear the cop yelling for help and flesh tearing. I don't think it takes days for a guy to die when being devoured by walkers.
But actually, he wasn't.
Lee's eyes flicker open twice. The first time they open, you can hear the cop screaming and zombies feeding. The second time they open, which everyone is saying is hours later, you can actually still hear the cop yelling for help and flesh tearing. I don't think it takes days for a guy to die when being devoured by walkers.
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That said, there were no walkers around said dead cop. Chances are good he was down for a while. No way to know for certain, but Clem mentioning that the sitter was down for a couple days is a pretty good measure.
Whoops, I didn't see the other thread, sorry!
certainly not days.
We know this because Clem survived on her own for two days before Lee stumbled upon her house, and zombies had had not overrun the city before Lee was being transported to the prison.
The cop transporting Lee has no reaction to the police cars and helicopters speeding in the other direction, the radio chatter in the police car is confusing zombie attacks for disturbances and the like, and the transporting officer doesn't have a care in the world. He even shuts the radio off at one point because it was interrupting his conversation. He was obviously oblivious to what was going on.
The outbreak occurs while Lee is being transported, not before.
I've seen more than a few theories claiming otherwise. These theories speculate that, in other zombie related films/comics/books etc. (they named a movie where this happened but I can't for the life of me remember which film it was) the main character didn't encounter the undead until several days after the beginning of the outbreak. Please explain how the cop was being ripped apart and screaming for two days, then, without dying. Shaun certainly didn't take too long.
Then again, these ARE of course, just theories, not facts, so you may well be right.
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the cop dies just after the crash and went into sleep mode, lee saw some of that then was unconscious for at least a day (he was super thirsty) then he wakes up properly
No.
I think it is unlikely that the zombie apocalypse was in full swing while Lee was being transported, because the transporting officer had a 'another day at the office' attitude. He was completely unconcerned about the radio chatter or the emergency vehicles headed in the other direction. Also the radio traffic was describing attacks as if they were just disturbances or assaults by deranged people. No one yet had any idea of what they were dealing with.
Also when Lee later accesses the answering machine in Clem's house, in the first message Clem's mother says her husband was attacked by someone who was mentally ill, and is in the hospital. Clem's mother did not yet know what they were dealing with either.
Taking all of that into account, it seems more likely that the zombie apocalypse was just beginning while Lee was being transported. People still had no idea of what they were dealing with, and a state of emergency had not yet been declared. Hence, the officer transporting Lee not suspecting that anything was out of the usual.
When Lee awakes however, civilization has practically collapsed. That suggests to me that he was probably out for the two days that Clem was alone.
As for Lee waking up to the cop's screams, that was likely not long after the crash and not days later. He also slips back into unconciousness shortly afterwards.
I just finished reading The Road to Woodbury, and it actually covers why the transporting officer may not have turned immediately. In the book it was mentioned that the time it takes for a person to turn is seemingly random, or at least not undersood by the survivors. Some turn immediately, and others could take hours or days. With that in mind, that officer may have been lying their dead for two days before springing back into action.
"I heard her scream two nights ago."
Geeze come on people!
Timeline:
- 2 nights ago: All hell breaks loose, people start rising, babysitter gets killed
- Day: Lee and the Cop are heading out of Atlanta (reports of "incidents")/Car crash
- 1 night ago: Lee sleeps it off in the car after the cop dies outside, walkers wander off.
- Day 2: Lee wakes up - I think you know what happens from here......
Exactly! Why are people so stupid? If Clementine says "I heard a scream two nights ago". I think that means the apocalypse started two days ago! Meaning Lee was unconscious for 2 days!
Don't call anyone stupid, please. We are talking about this in a civilized manner, thank you.
We are not talking about when the apocalypse started. We know it started two days before. We are talking about how long Lee was out.
Please be sensible and polite while contributing to the thread.
I didn't think about most of that. Thanks!
Another option is that Clem's babysitter actually wasn't killed by a zombie but by a robber/murderer. The house itself is in shambles, drawers are pulled open everywhere, etc.. Walkers wouldn't start pulling at drawers, robbers would. So another possibility is that the babysitter was one of the first wave of zombies that have risen. This would make it more like:
- 2 nights ago: robber/murderer kills babysitter
- Day after: nothing happens, but Clem stays holed up because screams of babysitter. Babysitter, and other dead people, start turning somewhere during the end of the day.
- 1 night ago: First night of walkers, some people die but not that much because most people are indoors in their houses. Probably some news of civil unrest but nothing yet alarms everyone because the second wave of walkers, those killed by the first ones, have not yet risen.
- Day after: Cop gets Lee's ride as his first assignment, during morning rush hour the amount of zombie related incidents rise sharply when wave 2 starts rising in the middle of everyone being outside.
Cop car drives into a zombie from wave 2 that crosses the highway. Probably attracted by the sounds of the cars. Cop gets killed, probably, by the walker he drive into or whatever other walkers attracted by the sound.
A few hours later, in the late afternoon, Lee wakes up after the crash. Dry mouthed from the stress/adrenaline of the accident and minor blood loss from the injury.
The neighbourhood could have gone to hell in just 6-8 hours from morning rush hour to when Lee wakes up. This would also explain why Hershel's son is still doing trips to Atlanta, because it wasn't so bad when he was there the day before, or even earlier that morning.
The cop may have been attacked by a single zombie, it didn't have to be a herd of them. It is unlikely he would be completely devoured, because that isn't what happens to most people. Unless they get swarmed, a little bit of them gets eaten and the rest is left to reanimate. If the zombies completely devoured most of their victims, there wouldn't have been a zombie apocalypse. Their numbers wouldn't have multiplied to the point where civilization collapses.
The cop may have also drug himself out of the vehicle. He was conscious when he was attacked, because Lee hears him screaming.
This seems rather more like a guess than a fact. While obviously the outbreak was just beginning, we have no idea like in the comics exactly when and where it first happens, and it's more like a gradual process than just something happening at once.
Zombies could have overtaken certain places and spots, while other towns and areas could still have yet to have had any trouble with the Walkers, much like Hershel still hasn't seen or believed what people were telling him.
To add another point, hour's or day's, doesnt really matter one bit to the game.
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while it infact it works like this
--xxxxXXX
- = Before Outbreak, no Zombies whatsoever anywhere
x = First people who turn into zombies after dieing, very few if any are aware of what is going on.
X = Total Outbreak, pretty much everyone aware, shitton of zombies everywhere.
So if we talk about Lee being passed out, if you use the first example, yes 2 days is indeed the only answer.
But if you are more aware of the several steps the apocalypse takes it could be anywhere from mere hours to maximum 2 days. Thus, unless officially reported, it will remain unknown and everything else is simply speculation.
Lee must have been out for two days, but the apocalypse hadn't started when Lee was in the cop car. You can see the Atlanta buildings standing fine. But when you're in Clementine's Neighbourhood, and you meet Shawn and Chet or Andre, you see Atlanta's building on fire with explosions. Like in the
Dubesor has pretty much explained what I was about to say.
Has not been forgotten. Mr. Parker was rotten too and only dead for a few minutes. Was discussed and disputed before http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=746977
Except that the cop evidently hadn't turned yet, and Parker evidently didn't stink after his death. The fact Parker looked different could've been a stylistic choice to differentiate him from the living, whereas we're told firsthand from Lee that the cop actually had decayed.
Maybe Katjaa and Lee had just other things in mind? And the Teacher/Travis were on their own in the wild, one shot, the other trapped in a bear trap. I bet they smelled "like shit" anyway.
You don't exactly mistake the smell of say, not bathing as a result of being out in the woods for a while or what have you with the smell of a rotting corpse. Indeed, Mark even says "you never get used to the smell, do you?" when pushing Walkers off the fence with Lee later in the episode.
Yes but I don't think it goes from xxx to XXX in only a couple hours. I think it would take more than a few hours for neighborhoods and cities to be taken over and abandoned. Remember Shawn said the city was worse than Clem's neighborhood.
And I think the cop was knocked out as well. And he got killed a little while before Lee woke up, rather being killed just after the wreck.
I think the game over done it. In the tv show freshly turned people don't have rotting skin. That was one of things that bugged me in the game. As soon as someone died and came back their skin already was rotting.
I think to a pretty big extent it was just a stylistic choice as I said earlier, simply to clearly differentiate them from the living. Clem's parents for example, despite being infected pretty much from the start are still recognizable... by contrast, guys like the helicopter zombie weren't even though he had to have turned sometime after the first episode (there weren't any helicopters jutting out of the pharmacy until Episode 3).
It seems unlikely that Clem's neighborhood went pear-shaped before Atlanta. All the police and SWAT vans are heading towards the city rather than away from it. Shawn also says something to the effect of "we haven't seen anything this bad since Atlanta a couple miles back".