It seems unlikely that Clem's neighborhood went pear-shaped before Atlanta. All the police and SWAT vans are heading towards the city rather than away from it. Shawn also says something to the effect of "we haven't seen anything this bad since Atlanta a couple miles back".
All the police and SWAT vans were heading toward the city because the zombies had already chowed down on the suburbs, gaining numbers for two days prior. The precedent has already been set in regard to military response times in a US crisis (i.e. Hurricane Katrina).
This thread makes a LOT of assumptions, my theory is just as plausible without blowing 2-day holes in the story.
All the police and SWAT vans were heading toward the city because the zombies had already chowed down on the suburbs, gaining numbers for two days prior. The precedent has already been set in regard to military response times in a US crisis (i.e. Hurricane Katrina).
This thread makes a LOT of assumptions, my theory is just as plausible without blowing 2-day holes in the story.
That doesn't make much sense though; the police/SWAT wouldn't have known Clem's neighborhood had fallen unless they were there. That only has two probable results: 1.) they would've been among the casualties, yet we see no signs of such 2.) they successfully dealt with the problem (which is obviously not the case).
Even if we assume the police just got there, threw up their hands and gave up on the neighborhood to make a 180 to the city it's not exactly reasonable to assume they wouldn't report on what they had seen, and "a neighborhood full of corpses and apparent cannibals" rates a bit higher on the alarm scale than simple rioting and civil disobedience (which is how it's described on the radio).
Using Katrina as a benchmark for response times in this case is also a bad one, due to things like flooding and the fact it damaged things like roads and highways and hurricanes tend to keep aircraft grounded. By contrast, at the beginning of the episode 1, the highways were clear (hell, Atlanta itself is only about 100 miles away from Ft. Benning).
That doesn't make much sense though; the police/SWAT wouldn't have known Clem's neighborhood had fallen unless they were there. That only has two probable results: 1.) they would've been among the casualties, yet we see no signs of such 2.) they successfully dealt with the problem (which is obviously not the case).
Please. You see the end of one block of Clem's neighborhood and not many casualties, why? Probably because they were busy chewing on downtown Atlanta.
and "a neighborhood full of corpses and apparent cannibals" rates a bit higher on the alarm scale than simple rioting and civil disobedience (which is how it's described on the radio).
And yet that was exactly what was happening in Atlanta at the time it was being described as civil disobedience and rioting.
Using Katrina as a benchmark for response times in this case is also a bad one, due to things like flooding and the fact it damaged things like roads and highways
No, you're right that was a poor example, considering the authorities were aware of the potential destruction of Katrina in advance, whereas zombies are a little more unpredictable.
This seems rather more like a guess than a fact. While obviously the outbreak was just beginning, we have no idea like in the comics exactly when and where it first happens, and it's more like a gradual process than just something happening at once.
Zombies could have overtaken certain places and spots, while other towns and areas could still have yet to have had any trouble with the Walkers, much like Hershel still hasn't seen or believed what people were telling him.
It is unlikely that the cop would have a 'another day at the office' attitude and chat about past experiences in transporting prisoners, or that he'd be completely unconcerned with the radio chatter and other emergency vehicles, if other cities and towns had 'gone dark.'
That would be national news even if people thought they were dealing with riots or social unrest, and would have likely been the topic of conversation. At the very least it would have given the transporting officer reason to be concerned with the radio traffic. That he isn't implies that Lee is transported at some point during the initial outbreak.
Please. You see the end of one block of Clem's neighborhood and not many casualties, why? Probably because they were busy chewing on downtown Atlanta.
Except that's mutually exclusive with what you originally claimed; that Clem's neighborhood and the suburbs fell first. Plus there's the simple fact that if the Walkers moved from her neighborhood to Atlanta, by definition they had to you know, walk there. Zombies aren't exactly shown to be fast, and they're certainly not faster than speeding cars on a highway - that alone kinda makes the theory unworkable.
And yet that was exactly what was happening in Atlanta at the time it was being described as civil disobedience and rioting.
Incorrect. Atlanta evidently hadn't fallen yet. We don't know how bad it was at the time the police were moving into the area.
No, you're right that was a poor example, considering the authorities were aware of the potential destruction of Katrina in advance, whereas zombies are a little more unpredictable.
Having advanced warning still doesn't much matter if the highways and roads are impassable and aircraft are grounded. On the same vein, being unpredictable likewise doesn't matter much when you're restricted to a max speed of 3 MPH or less, and we can see the zombies weren't exactly clogging the highways.
There's a saying that covers this quite well: "Amateurs talk tactics, diletantes talk strategy, professionals talk logistics".
Let us all not forget the fact that Clem's neighbourhood had at least 1 Roamer before Lee's car accident happened. Namely: the one he hit.
For a zombie to become a roamer, he first needs to have nothing left in the near area to eat. That means that from all the sounds he hears in the near vaccinity, the highway must have been the one most ressembling food at the time. So no more people nearby in houses to see or smell, only other dead ones.
I think the neighbourhood was already hit relatively bad in the morning of Lee's drive. The city just had priority for the police.
And, as I said before: The driver of Lee's car might be all calm because, basicly, he came into work and started driving Lee before morning rush hour. The one moment when a few zombies stalking in the night turn into a huge problem out on the streets.
Concerning Clem's parents. They obviously called after the babysitter died which was, as Clem herself said: two nights ago. My theory that she might have been the victim of a violent robbery instead of a zombie, seeing the state of the house, is still solid as well.
Except that's mutually exclusive with what you originally claimed; that Clem's neighborhood and the suburbs fell first.
It's not "mutually exclusive", that's what I'm saying - Clem's neighbourhood fell first. Zombie's don't have to move fast, they just need to infect. The bitten would have driven to city hospital facilities. Zombies are more about chain reaction - infect, move, turn, rinse and repeat.
Incorrect. Atlanta evidently hadn't fallen yet. We don't know how bad it was at the time the police were moving into the area.
What do you mean incorrect? What? Do you seriously think they were having issues with "civil disobedience" or is it more likely zombies were munching on people in the streets causing panic and the police had no clue what they were dealing in their radio transmissions? [/QUOTE]
On the same vein, being unpredictable likewise doesn't matter much when you're restricted to a max speed of 3 MPH or less, and we can see the zombies weren't exactly clogging the highways.
On that note, the bitten can drive and board planes.
Let us all not forget the fact that Clem's neighbourhood had at least 1 Roamer before Lee's car accident happened. Namely: the one he hit.
For a zombie to become a roamer, he first needs to have nothing left in the near area to eat. That means that from all the sounds he hears in the near vaccinity, the highway must have been the one most ressembling food at the time. So no more people nearby in houses to see or smell, only other dead ones.
I think the neighbourhood was already hit relatively bad in the morning of Lee's drive. The city just had priority for the police.
The walker they hit wasn't in Clem's neighborhood though, it was on the highway. More seriously, the "route" Lee used to get to Clem's neighborhood can't be used to get back to the highway, especially not by walkers since it's basically a sheer drop of atleast twenty or thirty feet. The one they hit just as easily could've been some poor shmuck who died on the highway itself - hell, that might not even have been the first time he was hit by a car on that highway.
There's also the fact the Walkers in the area left Lee alone despite his shouting and being within what, 30 feet of the cop? They didn't start pursuing until the gunshot, which would make me wonder if they could even hear the traffic on the highway.
It's not "mutually exclusive", that's what I'm saying - Clem's neighbourhood fell first. Zombie's don't have to move fast, they just need to infect. The bitten would have driven to city hospital facilities. Zombies are more about chain reaction - infect, move, turn, rinse and repeat.
Except the problem with the idea is that Clem's neighborhood has more than its fair share of walkers (which are, in and of themselves, readily apparent casualties, what with the missing faces and limbs). On the one hand you're trying to claim the police basically gave up the neighborhood up for dead since it fell first and didn't report on what they had seen because... tiddlywinks, while also trying to claim there weren't many casualties - those two positions are mutually exclusive.
Given how quickly the infection evidently progresses and causes things like loss of conciousness, if mass numbers of zombies-in-waiting were driving to the city odds are we also would've seen more wrecked cars on the highway. Hell, it's specifically mentioned that Clem's dad "didn't feel well enough to drive".
What do you mean incorrect? What? Do you seriously think they were having issues with "civil disobedience" or is it more likely zombies were munching on people in the streets causing panic and the police had no clue what they were dealing in their radio transmissions?
There's no evidence they were full on eating people in the streets yet, as far as we can tell, which is what you claimed was going on. Given the tone of Diana's message in Savannah: "Ed had a little incident with some crazy guy at the hotel", it doesn't exactly sound like there was all that much panic at the outset. Plus, if they were having issues with mass cannibalism, it wouldn't be difficult to call it as such.
On that note, the bitten can drive and board planes.
Actually, apparently the bitten can't drive; Ed couldn't. We're told as much on the answering machine. :rolleyes: Given their tendency to pass out shortly after being bitten, that also raises questions about their ability to stand around in lines and go through security at the airport.
Don't be so condescending, you're obviously not that intelligent (that would be "dilettantes" to those that can spell).
It's not my fault you apparently didn't understand that debris-filled roads and grounded aircraft happen to increase response times.
If nitpicking a typo is all you can do to make yourself feel better about it, knock yourself out. Oh, and you screwed up a quote tag; neener-neener.
He was unconscious for, at least, a day. He woke up 3 times after the crash: the first time was evening (and I heard the police officer screaming and getting eaten), the second was night (he was still getting eaten) and the third was evening again.
Except the problem with the idea is that Clem's neighborhood has more than its fair share of walkers (which are, in and of themselves, readily apparent casualties, what with the missing faces and limbs). On the one hand you're trying to claim the police basically gave up the neighborhood up for dead since it fell first and didn't report on what they had seen because... tiddlywinks, while also trying to claim there weren't many casualties - those two positions are mutually exclusive.
I neither claimed the police "gave up" nor that there were or weren't sufficient casualties in Clem's neighbourhood. What I did do was question your fanfiction hypothesis, which is rather limited in scope.
There's no evidence they were full on eating people in the streets yet, as far as we can tell, which is what you claimed was going on. Given the tone of Diana's message in Savannah: "Ed had a little incident with some crazy guy at the hotel", it doesn't exactly sound like there was all that much panic at the outset.
You are aware there's about 250 miles between Atlanta and Savannah? As for "not much panic at the outset", that would explain how outer suburbs could fall without a great deal of notice from authorities.
Actually, apparently the bitten can't drive; Ed couldn't. We're told as much on the answering machine. :rolleyes: Given their tendency to pass out shortly after being bitten, that also raises questions about their ability to stand around in lines and go through security at the airport.
Wow, it's amazing Lee managed to finish the game at all.
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All the police and SWAT vans were heading toward the city because the zombies had already chowed down on the suburbs, gaining numbers for two days prior. The precedent has already been set in regard to military response times in a US crisis (i.e. Hurricane Katrina).
This thread makes a LOT of assumptions, my theory is just as plausible without blowing 2-day holes in the story.
That doesn't make much sense though; the police/SWAT wouldn't have known Clem's neighborhood had fallen unless they were there. That only has two probable results: 1.) they would've been among the casualties, yet we see no signs of such 2.) they successfully dealt with the problem (which is obviously not the case).
Even if we assume the police just got there, threw up their hands and gave up on the neighborhood to make a 180 to the city it's not exactly reasonable to assume they wouldn't report on what they had seen, and "a neighborhood full of corpses and apparent cannibals" rates a bit higher on the alarm scale than simple rioting and civil disobedience (which is how it's described on the radio).
Using Katrina as a benchmark for response times in this case is also a bad one, due to things like flooding and the fact it damaged things like roads and highways and hurricanes tend to keep aircraft grounded. By contrast, at the beginning of the episode 1, the highways were clear (hell, Atlanta itself is only about 100 miles away from Ft. Benning).
Please. You see the end of one block of Clem's neighborhood and not many casualties, why? Probably because they were busy chewing on downtown Atlanta.
And yet that was exactly what was happening in Atlanta at the time it was being described as civil disobedience and rioting.
No, you're right that was a poor example, considering the authorities were aware of the potential destruction of Katrina in advance, whereas zombies are a little more unpredictable.
It is unlikely that the cop would have a 'another day at the office' attitude and chat about past experiences in transporting prisoners, or that he'd be completely unconcerned with the radio chatter and other emergency vehicles, if other cities and towns had 'gone dark.'
That would be national news even if people thought they were dealing with riots or social unrest, and would have likely been the topic of conversation. At the very least it would have given the transporting officer reason to be concerned with the radio traffic. That he isn't implies that Lee is transported at some point during the initial outbreak.
Except that's mutually exclusive with what you originally claimed; that Clem's neighborhood and the suburbs fell first. Plus there's the simple fact that if the Walkers moved from her neighborhood to Atlanta, by definition they had to you know, walk there. Zombies aren't exactly shown to be fast, and they're certainly not faster than speeding cars on a highway - that alone kinda makes the theory unworkable.
Incorrect. Atlanta evidently hadn't fallen yet. We don't know how bad it was at the time the police were moving into the area.
Having advanced warning still doesn't much matter if the highways and roads are impassable and aircraft are grounded. On the same vein, being unpredictable likewise doesn't matter much when you're restricted to a max speed of 3 MPH or less, and we can see the zombies weren't exactly clogging the highways.
There's a saying that covers this quite well: "Amateurs talk tactics, diletantes talk strategy, professionals talk logistics".
For a zombie to become a roamer, he first needs to have nothing left in the near area to eat. That means that from all the sounds he hears in the near vaccinity, the highway must have been the one most ressembling food at the time. So no more people nearby in houses to see or smell, only other dead ones.
I think the neighbourhood was already hit relatively bad in the morning of Lee's drive. The city just had priority for the police.
And, as I said before: The driver of Lee's car might be all calm because, basicly, he came into work and started driving Lee before morning rush hour. The one moment when a few zombies stalking in the night turn into a huge problem out on the streets.
Concerning Clem's parents. They obviously called after the babysitter died which was, as Clem herself said: two nights ago. My theory that she might have been the victim of a violent robbery instead of a zombie, seeing the state of the house, is still solid as well.
It's not "mutually exclusive", that's what I'm saying - Clem's neighbourhood fell first. Zombie's don't have to move fast, they just need to infect. The bitten would have driven to city hospital facilities. Zombies are more about chain reaction - infect, move, turn, rinse and repeat.
What do you mean incorrect? What? Do you seriously think they were having issues with "civil disobedience" or is it more likely zombies were munching on people in the streets causing panic and the police had no clue what they were dealing in their radio transmissions? [/QUOTE]
On that note, the bitten can drive and board planes.
Don't be so condescending, you're obviously not that intelligent (that would be "dilettantes" to those that can spell).
The walker they hit wasn't in Clem's neighborhood though, it was on the highway.
There's also the fact the Walkers in the area left Lee alone despite his shouting and being within what, 30 feet of the cop? They didn't start pursuing until the gunshot, which would make me wonder if they could even hear the traffic on the highway.
Except the problem with the idea is that Clem's neighborhood has more than its fair share of walkers (which are, in and of themselves, readily apparent casualties, what with the missing faces and limbs). On the one hand you're trying to claim the police basically gave up the neighborhood up for dead since it fell first and didn't report on what they had seen because... tiddlywinks, while also trying to claim there weren't many casualties - those two positions are mutually exclusive.
Given how quickly the infection evidently progresses and causes things like loss of conciousness, if mass numbers of zombies-in-waiting were driving to the city odds are we also would've seen more wrecked cars on the highway. Hell, it's specifically mentioned that Clem's dad "didn't feel well enough to drive".
There's no evidence they were full on eating people in the streets yet, as far as we can tell, which is what you claimed was going on. Given the tone of Diana's message in Savannah: "Ed had a little incident with some crazy guy at the hotel", it doesn't exactly sound like there was all that much panic at the outset. Plus, if they were having issues with mass cannibalism, it wouldn't be difficult to call it as such.
Actually, apparently the bitten can't drive; Ed couldn't. We're told as much on the answering machine. :rolleyes: Given their tendency to pass out shortly after being bitten, that also raises questions about their ability to stand around in lines and go through security at the airport.
It's not my fault you apparently didn't understand that debris-filled roads and grounded aircraft happen to increase response times.
If nitpicking a typo is all you can do to make yourself feel better about it, knock yourself out. Oh, and you screwed up a quote tag; neener-neener.
Seriously? Second...
I neither claimed the police "gave up" nor that there were or weren't sufficient casualties in Clem's neighbourhood. What I did do was question your fanfiction hypothesis, which is rather limited in scope.
You are aware there's about 250 miles between Atlanta and Savannah? As for "not much panic at the outset", that would explain how outer suburbs could fall without a great deal of notice from authorities.
Wow, it's amazing Lee managed to finish the game at all.