I have no real problem with the deaths or how they were portrayed, my real WTF moment was, if it was preordained that Lee was going to be bit why did they give you the option of checking the trash at all? If being cautious ended up with the same results as being rash why bother with a choice?
Maybe checking the garbage pile meant seeing if Clem was lying under there dead or hiding, since her walkie talkie is right next to it and her hat is nearby.
Because people who want to die would totally announce it everywhere they go...
Agreed. I think what Kenny says earlier doesn't directly go against his actions.. Fighting walkers until they overwhelm you and eat you is different than shooting yourself in the head. His speech was about not giving up no matter how hard it is. So him fighting the horde of walkers to try to help the people he cares about, no matter how difficult or dangerous it was, is what he did.
Maybe he didn't specifically want to die, but didn't care if he survived or not, as long as he helped his friends.
Agreed. I think what Kenny says earlier doesn't directly go against his actions.. Fighting walkers until they overwhelm you and eat you is different than shooting yourself in the head. His speech was about not giving up no matter how hard it is. So him fighting the horde of walkers to try to help the people he cares about, no matter how difficult or dangerous it was, is what he did.
Maybe he didn't specifically want to die, but didn't care if he survived or not, as long as he helped his friends.
Basically a suicide but he put up a fight first. So it wasn't technically just giving up...
It's like a hopeless criminal commiting suicide-by-cop: It's not technically suicide but you know damn well the police are about to fill you with bullets.
Agreed. I think what Kenny says earlier doesn't directly go against his actions.. Fighting walkers until they overwhelm you and eat you is different than shooting yourself in the head. His speech was about not giving up no matter how hard it is. So him fighting the horde of walkers to try to help the people he cares about, no matter how difficult or dangerous it was, is what he did.
Maybe he didn't specifically want to die, but didn't care if he survived or not, as long as he helped his friends.
Him trying to fight off the walkers was pointless and wasn't helping anyone he cared about. In fact it hurt the people who cared about him. The Ben scene at least. Haven't played the other one.
I have no real problem with the deaths or how they were portrayed, my real WTF moment was, if it was preordained that Lee was going to be bit why did they give you the option of checking the trash at all? If being cautious ended up with the same results as being rash why bother with a choice?
Story telling, or put another way, Telling a Tale with a Game.
That's the point here, not scoring points, strategizing or looking for the "best" outcome. It's tailoring the events of the core story to your own beliefs and behaviors to draw you in more deeply than a one-size-fits-all narrative ever could.
Consider: Whether you saved Doug or Carley you know that they are only alive because you sacrificed another character for them. That makes you defensive of them, more strongly attached, committed to wanting the other character's sacrifice to not be in vain. Then when they're shot by Lily the loss hits you all the harder because they were "your" friend. The one you stuck your neck out for. The one that, for whatever reason in that fleeting moment in episode one, you decided you liked better.
I think what TTG is on the verge of here is knocking down the walls that separate stories and games and fusing them into something that's both and neither. When each choice makes you more deeply invested in characters and subsequent events than you would be if you were reading or watching a story, it could be a new art form.
Ducks was sadder. Duck was one of them, part of the group. You got to know him, his death was like losing a family member. He idolized Lee, to the point where Kenny was jealous. He was Robin "for christsakes" to your Batman. The boy in the attic was a stranger, you did not have to witness his death or have no hand in it. In my eyes the fate of the attic boy does not compare with the death of one of your own. I unlike some here have never "cried, wept, grew misty", at any point in this wonderful story, but I was genuinely saddend as I watched Duck die, an emotion I did not feel anywhere close to the extent at the sight of the poor child in the attic.
Either Travis or Ben.
Travis had time to get up and run from the Walkers, and anyone else could have gone to his rescue, but only yelled for him to watch out.
As for Ben... Why didn't he realize the balcony was coming loose? If he hadn't seen it, which was possible, wouldn't he realize it when he tried to stand on it? I can imagine it wouldn't have felt firmly in place and would have swayed a bit.
Either Travis or Ben.
Travis had time to get up and run from the Walkers, and anyone else could have gone to his rescue, but only yelled for him to watch out.
As for Ben... Why didn't he realize the balcony was coming loose? If he hadn't seen it, which was possible, wouldn't he realize it when he tried to stand on it? I can imagine it wouldn't have felt firmly in place and would have swayed a bit.
Travis was in shock. He fell, and with the imminent danger, he just froze. That's also why Ben didn't try to save him, as he also froze. They were too terrified to do anything quickly enough. The rest of the group had already felt like they were out of time and were making their escape, and couldn't turn back by the time they realized what was happening. They had just cut off a man's leg, too, and everything was happening so fast that nobody was thinking clearly.
It's still possible the balcony could have loosened and still 'felt' like it was fine until it was too late. But he had also just seen everyone else make the jump, and since there was no way back and they were in a hurry, he probably wasn't paying much attention to his surroundings.
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Maybe checking the garbage pile meant seeing if Clem was lying under there dead or hiding, since her walkie talkie is right next to it and her hat is nearby.
Because people who want to die would totally announce it everywhere they go...
Agreed. I think what Kenny says earlier doesn't directly go against his actions.. Fighting walkers until they overwhelm you and eat you is different than shooting yourself in the head. His speech was about not giving up no matter how hard it is. So him fighting the horde of walkers to try to help the people he cares about, no matter how difficult or dangerous it was, is what he did.
Maybe he didn't specifically want to die, but didn't care if he survived or not, as long as he helped his friends.
Basically a suicide but he put up a fight first. So it wasn't technically just giving up...
It's like a hopeless criminal commiting suicide-by-cop: It's not technically suicide but you know damn well the police are about to fill you with bullets.
Him trying to fight off the walkers was pointless and wasn't helping anyone he cared about. In fact it hurt the people who cared about him. The Ben scene at least. Haven't played the other one.
Story telling, or put another way, Telling a Tale with a Game.
That's the point here, not scoring points, strategizing or looking for the "best" outcome. It's tailoring the events of the core story to your own beliefs and behaviors to draw you in more deeply than a one-size-fits-all narrative ever could.
Consider: Whether you saved Doug or Carley you know that they are only alive because you sacrificed another character for them. That makes you defensive of them, more strongly attached, committed to wanting the other character's sacrifice to not be in vain. Then when they're shot by Lily the loss hits you all the harder because they were "your" friend. The one you stuck your neck out for. The one that, for whatever reason in that fleeting moment in episode one, you decided you liked better.
I think what TTG is on the verge of here is knocking down the walls that separate stories and games and fusing them into something that's both and neither. When each choice makes you more deeply invested in characters and subsequent events than you would be if you were reading or watching a story, it could be a new art form.
Travis had time to get up and run from the Walkers, and anyone else could have gone to his rescue, but only yelled for him to watch out.
As for Ben... Why didn't he realize the balcony was coming loose? If he hadn't seen it, which was possible, wouldn't he realize it when he tried to stand on it? I can imagine it wouldn't have felt firmly in place and would have swayed a bit.
Travis was in shock. He fell, and with the imminent danger, he just froze. That's also why Ben didn't try to save him, as he also froze. They were too terrified to do anything quickly enough. The rest of the group had already felt like they were out of time and were making their escape, and couldn't turn back by the time they realized what was happening. They had just cut off a man's leg, too, and everything was happening so fast that nobody was thinking clearly.
It's still possible the balcony could have loosened and still 'felt' like it was fine until it was too late. But he had also just seen everyone else make the jump, and since there was no way back and they were in a hurry, he probably wasn't paying much attention to his surroundings.