Who do you think will end up surviving longer in Z A . Carl from the Comics or Clem
Who do u think will survive longer in the Z A Carl from the comics or clementine from the game?
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Honestly - Kirkman can let Carl die whenever he wants to. I don't think his readers are even that much emotionally invested. Shocking, all right, but not unexpected. But when Telltale kills off Clementine...
...I really don't want to be in this forum when that happens. :eek:
Name one scene besides the epilogue in which Lee wasn't there... and I'll enumerate 10 in which Clementine wasn't present. Seriously, I can imagine a game in which you don't really play as the actual protagonist... but not a good one.
Unless the two are BOTH portrayed as immortal. That's another story.
Probably Carl but hopefully Clem!
Clem though, I'm pretty sure she'll survive for a long time with a group but not that long... She has to listen to her guardian and not talk to creepers on walkie-talkies
We may play as Lee, but i think the emotional focus is on Clementine rather than Lee himself. A lot of players feel sad at Lee's death not just for him but because he won't be there to protect her anymore. As the game progresses you get a stronger theme that Clem is Lee's priority, and nearly everything he does survival-wise has her in mind. In episode 5, she is literally the sole motivator for Lee to press on.
I'd say she's a major focus of the game story-wise, at least.
I'd also say Clem has a better chance of survival than Carl. Carl's likely to cause his own death before the environment does. He's too stubborn, too eager, and too hot-headed. With some of the crap he's pulled in the comics I'm surprised he's still alive to date.
Better suited? I've said it before. Carl's missing an eye, the kid has no depth perception.
He's the only character in any iteration of the story I'd be nervous about.....
This. I'm not sure whose story it is because it's so well balanced between the two, not necessarily in terms of presence but in terms of where the story resonates.
So if the question is who can longer live in ZA alone I bet for Carl. If it will be surviving in group, I bet for Clem.
It's true about Carl. I've been reading the comics for a long time, and am fully caught up and waiting for the next issues release tomorrow. I think Kirkman, god bless him, has really worn thin the whole "get emotionally invested" in his characters. He kills them off more for shock value now than to actually advance the plot. Right now in the comic, there are seriously three characters that I like. It's not like it was when they were at the prison when there was a rich cast of characters to enjoy and read about. His side characters are really failing.
And it's also true, that each issue I just sort of expect anyone and everyone to die. It doesn't really matter too much if they do or don't at this point. I think the best thing Kirkman could possibly do is to either kill Rick and bring in a new protagonist, or just completely reformat the comic and start over with a new group.
Either way, back to the main question. It's difficult to tell. Carl really didn't start coming into his own and become the bad ass that people like until post-prison. That was well into a year after the apocalypse started. Clem has only been seen up until about 4 months after the start, and the way her story closes out at the end of Season 2, she might start becoming a more proactive survivor earlier than Carl did.
Clem is 3-4 months into the apocalypse and already emotionally devastated.
He's like a fucking terminator... when he lost that eye, I expected a red glow to be underneath.
As like Clementine taking over from Lee.
(I don't wonna that Rick will ever die!!! )
I'm betting that's what will cause his downfall. Sooner or later he's going to be charging at walkers rambo style and the harsh reality that he's not superman will come crashing down on him in the form of one bite mark...on the neck. No amputations this time...
I don't see Clem taking over anything.
Who in their right mind will follow the lead of a 9 year old?
...so to answer the question, I hope Clem survives to be an old woman, never mind longer than somebody else. But not at the cost of her soul.
Based on the above, DEFINITELY CARL! Technically, he already has survived longer, but if I'm thinking ahead... I can't see Clem years into the future, able to survive on her own. In a group, sure, and she might even be a strong second, but I can't see her being on her own - and that's why I think that she wouldn't survive as long.
At some point in the ZA, a person would be alone. Either the scouting group they were out with gets attacked and they're separated or the sole survivor, or their whole small group is wiped out.
Carl would be fine on his own. Maybe go dark, but he'd be fine, still. Clem wouldn't. She was able to make it to the country after shooting Lee, true, but I think she's the type that would forever seek out a group. And if she couldn't find one after a while, I think she might go a little crazy. Lose all hope, all that kind of thing.
Carl has a stronger spirit, he's a better shot, he's a tougher kid. He might not be the most likeable to some people, but he is the more equipped for survival. :P
"Well, you still have a couple of kids and this one has a good spirit."
Interestingly, I see Carl and Clementine two sides of the same coin, like Rick and Lee. You could say Clementine represents innocence and Carl represents maliciousness (or what have you). But I believe that is false, I see Clementine representing maturity and Carl representing toughness. And that's why I told Clementine to shoot Lee, why should I try to preserve Clementine's innocence when she's in such a ruthless, uncaring world? Hopefully it toughened her, if she could shoot Lee I know she could do anything.
Meanwhile Carl, while at the absolute peak of toughness, doesn't have much in the way of maturity, he's arrogant and I believe that to be his downfall, in his current state. For example
What is also interesting is the two characters flaws: Clementine is too dependent and Carl is too arrogant. Clementine could easily die if kept alone over a long period of time, however Carl could easily die as well if he rushed into a situation without much thought. Although those two flaws will be abolished in time, with Rick's influence over Carl and Clementine showing signs of becoming more independent in episode four and five (following Lee to the river, standing up for Ben, going into the doggy door without permission).
Although Carl is obviously the greater shooter, Clementine is not bad at all. That walker that was attacking Molly was one hard walker to hit, my Lee couldn't do it and she seemed to do it effortlessly. Also Clementine has the advantage concerning survival tips as well, in my opinion. My Lee spent five episodes telling her tips on how to survive, teaching her not to be afraid, to always keep moving, et cetera. Meanwhile Rick gives Carl very little in the way of tips, mostly because Carl is so independent.
I still believe Carl has the definite edge but, given time, I can see Clementine becoming a real machine. As to if that will be a good thing or not has yet to be seen. I don't want Clementine to become like Carl because although he'll probably survive longer than Clementine in the end, he's pretty much already dead inside.
If the 9 year old is holding you at gunpoint, I'd say those chances are decently high.
Voto por un final feliz para Clementine y su salida de la historia.
Lee.
I hadn't thought of it that way too much, although I have to disagree that Carl's dead inside. Just a personal perspective thing lol
But yes, I can see Clem being a strong person later on. And Carl could use some maturity, although the incident you brought up was pretty bad ass!
We had Clem shoot us, too. I think it was the right course of action, because, like you said, it's a tough world she's living in now. That Clem I think would do a lot better than the Clem that can't, won't, or didn't shoot Lee.