If The stranger different
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If the stranger was more "together" or "normal"...not a psychopath who talked to a walker head in a bowling ball bag, would you have considered Clementine going with him an option?
I personally wouldn't have. F that dude and his self righteous attitude.
His kind of character is my problem with the show. (i haven't seen the show sense the season 2 break so maybe its different) Everyone talks like they have had it the worst. Like no one else has lost people. Everyone in the show( i.e. Rick) kept saying how they've had to do terrible things, and see terrible things to survive. Everyone that was still alive has seen messed up stuff. Everyone has to be more careful and more on their guard.
That's why you don't leave all your food out in the open, in a car that's wide open, with the lights on. He was blaming Lee and others for what had happened to him instead of taking responsibility and trying to make things better. Just trying to hold on to the past by stealing a little girl and recreating his family.
Any way I wanted to know what other thought? should Lee have always protected and stayed with Clem no matter what or was she better off with others?
sorry for spelling and grammar.
If the stranger was more "together" or "normal"...not a psychopath who talked to a walker head in a bowling ball bag, would you have considered Clementine going with him an option?
I personally wouldn't have. F that dude and his self righteous attitude.
His kind of character is my problem with the show. (i haven't seen the show sense the season 2 break so maybe its different) Everyone talks like they have had it the worst. Like no one else has lost people. Everyone in the show( i.e. Rick) kept saying how they've had to do terrible things, and see terrible things to survive. Everyone that was still alive has seen messed up stuff. Everyone has to be more careful and more on their guard.
That's why you don't leave all your food out in the open, in a car that's wide open, with the lights on. He was blaming Lee and others for what had happened to him instead of taking responsibility and trying to make things better. Just trying to hold on to the past by stealing a little girl and recreating his family.
Any way I wanted to know what other thought? should Lee have always protected and stayed with Clem no matter what or was she better off with others?
sorry for spelling and grammar.
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That said, letting Clem go with him is simply not an option. If the stranger had been the one to find her, then it would have been a completely different story - Lee found her and took care of her to the best of his abilities. You have to work with what is, not what could have been. The question is moot.
I think Ben still reigns supreme in unintelligence. The stranger is at least smart enough to survive completely by himself, Ben probably wouldn't last 10 minutes. It takes more than just luck to live when it's just you...
Eh, I guess you win. Still, stranger was quite a moron.
He told me off for taking her to Crawford when I think he put her in more danger at the Marsh House especially with Clem's parents nearby...
No he is a hypocrite and unstable and can't even look after his own family
He calls Lee a Monster for stupid things such as- lying, letting Clem eat human, and Crawford when he puts Clem in a lot more danger with- The Marsh House, zombie head and locking her in a cupboard.
He only sees other people's mistakes and can't see his own
Some people think giving Clem to Vernon is the "good" choice, and refusing is just being selfish. But the truth is, giving her to Vernon would be a death sentence. We need to look at long-term, not short-term, in which case it becomes clear that leaving her with Vernon(regardless of whether you liked him or not) is a terrible decision.
I imagine it would be the exact same for the stranger(if he was normal), but even worse since he is completely by himself and doesn't even have a safe zone.
Says the guy who locks up kids in a closet.
And lost his own two, and said he'd rather shoot her himself than letting her go with us, great father - just another sicko or weirdo.
It's not the kidnapping that makes him a sicko and/or weirdo, it's the fact that he severed his wife's zombified head, carries around in a bag and talks to it.
Lilly is an example of someone who snapped and became crazy, but wasn't a mental psycho. The stranger is indeed a monster. Maybe he wasn't before the apocalypse, but the moment when he sliced the head off of his wife's corpse was the point of no return.
I considered his wife's head to be a very disturbing way to cope with the pain he had suffered. He kept it to convince himself that everything was still okay. It's not like he happily murdered his wife and kept her head. He found her dead, snapped, lost touch with reality and kept the head to avoid his pain. It reminds me of Hershel and how he kept zombies in his barn, foolishly hoping that one day they could be cured. Do we consider Hershel a mental psycho? He snapped out of it with the help of others. I feel like the Stranger could have too if he wasn't all alone. Even with the head, I guess he just didn't come off to me as a psychotic monster.
I'm not sure it's ever said he left his son alone (atleast deliberately); the stranger "took him hunting" and "came back without him" - we don't really know what happened in between those two events.
I can also sorta understand why he'd leave his car like that. He might not have known there were other people in the area (Lee and company didn't until they ran into them). Out of gas in the middle of the woods at night? If you need to leave it, you'd want it to be where you can find it... and typically speaking, I'd generally consider it a fairly safe bet that most people aren't just wandering around the woods at night during the zombie apocalypse... hell, I actually make fun of Chet in Episode 1 for that "yeah, this dude just what, walks home in the middle of the night during the ZA? Really?"
^ Pretty much sums up my feelings for him.
Still nope.
I never wanted to give Clem up to anyone else, but Lee was going to lose her one way or another; out of desperation, I did consider it. Of course this was before the stranger went from appearing to be depressively unstable to completely delusional.
* Both are absurdly good at surviving (the car is unscratched and the stranger isn't even dirty)
* Both are exceptionally intelligent and great problem solvers
* Both take their child with them in dangerous situations due to paranoia
* Their child survives mostly due to luck
* Both mess up when they realise their child is gone (food; bite)
* Without their child neither has anything to live for
If Clem died a few episodes back due to someone else's actions, Lee would be a black version of the stranger.
I think the point of the stranger is that the people in the game who cracked weren't necessarily weak. Rather they had just one thing they cared about, which they lost.
I agree with most of your points... the stranger in my opinion isn't a great problem solver because how kidnapping a girl is a solution to Lee's bad choices, he's crazy and lost his mind due to the bad choice he made which costed his son's life and supplies. On the other hand Lee is sane and knows what's best for Clem, although it would be interesting to see how would Lee's journey proceed without Clem....but I guess if Telltale would have picked that path Lee would continue to live 'sanely' somehow, maybe he wouldn't have gotten bit in the first place and got out of Savannah safe with the group.
He has nothing to hold on to, so he goes on a crazy revenge trip, it goes to show once more, that if people have nothing to lose, they can become quite dangerous.
I don't think most people realize just how much massive foreshadowing is in that opening car ride.
Yeah, there are some people that fit with that; Irene, Jolene, Lilly and Campman.
Speaking of which, I could care less if he was different and not as psychotic, he crossed the line when he kidnapped Clementine
If he wanted to kill Lee and take Clem he had plenty of opportunities. He just wants the man "responsible" to suffer as much as he did.
Yes, because it's would be best way for Clem. Even if she would be unhappy, sad... it's doesn't matter, she would be alive and in safety.
The key difference here is if Lee had lost Clem, he wouldn't
"I'd rather kill her myself. Because that's would happen if she goes with you."
Maybe, but consider he couldn't even
Just like Lee he only has got a Beretta with one bullet in the hole left,
if that zombie would enter the room, he'd shoot him, and then what? The whole zombie-neighbourhood would start kicking the doors in.
Also I doubt he cares much about her, if it came down to making a sacrifice for her, he would probably run off, save his own ass.
I must agree with that point, they indeed had very much luck, and if it wasn't for that walker, Lee would have tried to fend off the herd, which wouldn't have worked out, due to
Mind, that as said above
True. BUT: Stranger had a car, don't forget about it. But I don't understand why Lee didn't try to looking for keys to the car.
He did. He took them when he walked up to it and uses them to open the trunk. (or gives them to Kenny so the rest of the group can take the food)
Hmmm, I guess that gives the whole thing another variable. Assuming the car had fuel left, they could have made it out.
I'm asking myself how
Yeah, Lee could have taken the car as well, guess he probably didn't think of it, or didn't want to
You are confusing, we are talking about episode 5.
By the way, how Stranger could get to Savannah, if the keys to the car were left with Lee (or Kenny)???
Oops, I was thinking episode 2. My bad.
Don't you need tools for that?
He probably had some tools with him.
Or maybe Kenny/Lee just left the damn keys in the tailgate when they unlocked the car. Not like they'd have any reason to take the keys with them after they took everything inside. Not like it was their car.