The main thing that annoyed me regarding the season finale is the way people are reacting because it wasn't an epic showdown. Not every finale has to be this spectacular thing that races through to final conclusions at like 100 miles per hour. Quieter finales are just as good, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Of course I also enjoyed all of season 2 because at the basic level I prefer character stories over constant action.
Well i agree in some places. It's the character development that makes the every part of the franchise what it is. Zombie apocalypse is a genre that has been done to death and back and it's the focus on people that keep me interested.
But they built up so much to a big Prison vs Woodbury battle such as the one in the comic. An entire episode was devoted to getting weapons, the meeting with the governor, "this fight will go down to the last man", for the actual battle itself to then have no casualties at all on either side and was a damp squib.
Also, AMC hyped it up too much, with the whole "28 deaths, and will leave people jaws dropped" when it wasn't that good.
That's funny. It reminds me of American Dad's 100th episode where Roger boasts that 100 CHARACTERS WILL DIE THIS EPISODE! About 96 came from a single bus crash filled with every forgotten one shot character they ever had, two more from one of the crash victims colliding with another minor character, killing them both, a random dog and finally
some creepy hotel owner no one gives a shit about.
So you suggest that a obviously parttime deranged 10 year old should make that decision, instead of Hershel. Sorry, but I'm not on your page, actually pretty sure I'm not reading the same book... but hey...
If it's the right decision (and more than enough evidence has been presented to show it was), it's irrelevant who makes it or why.
Well i agree in some places. It's the character development that makes the every part of the franchise what it is. Zombie apocalypse is a genre that has been done to death and back and it's the focus on people that keep me interested.
But they built up so much to a big Prison vs Woodbury battle such as the one in the comic. An entire episode was devoted to getting weapons, the meeting with the governor, "this fight will go down to the last man", for the actual battle itself to then have no casualties at all on either side and was a damp squib.
Technically... I think a few were killed inside the prison. They came out with less than when they came in. Either that or they messed up somehow. Idk, maybe I'm wrong. I think the walkers got a few though inside.
Technically... I think a few were killed inside the prison. They came out with less than when they came in. Either that or they messed up somehow. Idk, maybe I'm wrong. I think the walkers got a few though inside.
Really? I didn't see any. I suppose there was probably some friendly fire in the chaos, maybe a small number to walkers.
The point remains that the battle they did so much build up for never happened. The firefight that killed Axel was the biggest of the "war".
But they built up so much to a big Prison vs Woodbury battle such as the one in the comic. An entire episode was devoted to getting weapons, the meeting with the governor, "this fight will go down to the last man", for the actual battle itself to then have no casualties at all on either side and was a damp squib.
Hear, hear. This is what led a lot of fans to expect a showdown, and AMC didn't deliver unfortunately. For a finale, the season went off with a whimper despite a few bangs along the way (e.g. Lori, Axel, Merle, etc.).
I even predicted that Hershel, Beth, Judith, and Carroll would not survive the finale so Tyreese could step in. But I guess all the deaths AMC promised was mostly just a bunch of extras.
So... over the course of the season we lost potential-fueled characters who could have helped the group in various ways(Axel, Oscar, Merle, Allen, Ben, Milton) and gained a school bus full of liabilities (Fat kid, guy-with-sort-of-Dale-looking-hat etc.)
I was kind of hoping the group would become a series of hardcore soldiers, not a freakin' daycare service.
^I thought Judith, Hershel, and Beth would not make it either. And don't forget T-Dog and Oscar! Those two were some badass black guys xD. Tyresse is one of my favorites of the comics(or was).
The best thing the finale did, was Beth got her first walker kill lol. Her and Carol have actually stepped up, and looked kinda cool in all black xD I imagined men in black.
If it's the right decision (and more than enough evidence has been presented to show it was), it's irrelevant who makes it or why.
If it was the right decision... Do you truely want to tell me that the decision to kill a man should be made by a ten year old and not by Hershel standing right next to him?
So... over the course of the season we lost potential-fueled characters who could have helped the group in various ways(Axel, Oscar, Merle, Allen, Ben, Milton) and gained a school bus full of liabilities (Fat kid, guy-with-sort-of-Dale-looking-hat etc.)
I was kind of hoping the group would become a series of hardcore soldiers, not a freakin' daycare service.
And where would you find these hardcore soldiers in modern day America? Most of them have been chewed on in other parts of the world... leaving the rest to defend the country...
So... over the course of the season we lost potential-fueled characters who could have helped the group in various ways(Axel, Oscar, Merle, Allen, Ben, Milton) and gained a school bus full of liabilities (Fat kid, guy-with-sort-of-Dale-looking-hat etc.)
I was kind of hoping the group would become a series of hardcore soldiers, not a freakin' daycare service.
Well, Ben didn't have any real potential; nobody named Ben in the Walking Dead does. I mean, seriously, the only notable thing Ben did was to use his face to block a bullet with the governor's name on it.
Everybody else though, yeah. I mean, I didn't see Milton exactly becoming a hardass anytime soon, but I could see him certainly being useful. Not everyone can be Rambo (nor should they).
Hell, I'd be really surprised if the old people and kids were there for anything other than fodder for a future massacre (whether it be caused by the governor, walkers, whatever).
Well, Ben didn't have any real potential; nobody named Ben in the Walking Dead does. I mean, seriously, the only notable thing Ben did was to use his face to block a bullet with the governor's name on it.
Everybody else though, yeah. I mean, I didn't see Milton exactly becoming a hardass anytime soon, but I could see him certainly being useful. Not everyone can be Rambo (nor should they).
I like how they hinted at a friendship between Hershel and Milton, and it amounted to nothing. Aborted arc, much? XD
If it was the right decision... Do you truely want to tell me that the decision to kill a man should be made by a ten year old and not by Hershel standing right next to him?
If Hershel's unwilling to shoot the kid (for whatever reason), why not? It doesn't matter who makes the decision to shoot the kid. Likewise, Carl's age is irrelevant to it being the right call.
The only thing that is relevant is the decision itself and whether it's justifiable based on the evidence (and again, it was). That's it, not who makes that decision, not the age of the person who makes it, etc. all that's logically fallacious, it's chaff; a distraction.
Well, there's a surprise. A network trying to get more viewers by bigging up an episode.
Don't believe network/corporate spiel.
Well to some extent yes, but a lot of the hype for this episode was within the show itself, not just in it's advertising.
I should stress it wasn't that it was a bad episode, there was good emotion/character development, anywhere else in the season i would have really liked it, but for the big moment that that the better part of 15 episodes had been building up to, to last about 15 seconds, with an effortless victory for the prison, makes it a bad finale. It had a very "that was it?" feeling to it.
Well to some extent yes, but a lot of the hype for this episode was within the show itself, not just in it's advertising.
I should stress it wasn't that it was a bad episode, there was good emotion/character development, anywhere else in the season i would have really liked it, but for the big moment that that the better part of 15 episodes had been building up to, to last about 15 seconds, with an effortless victory for the prison, makes it a bad finale. It had a very "that was it?" feeling to it.
I was hoping it would go on like it had for the first 15 minutes, with Martinez blowing shiz up, Allen and Shupert on the mounted guns as well as the Governor going into the prison and getting into a direct battle with Rick and/or Daryl.
Rick Vs Governor knife fight would have been amazing.
By the way, a S4 character by the name of Roy Stark is being cast as a series regular. He seems a bit like Abraham Ford.
I'm hoping for the next season that we might seeing a trouble storyline with Tyrese, Michonne & Sasha. Tyrese & Michonne start some flirting but Sasha doesn't like it since her brother do more love instead caring for the group.
On the other hand a love triangle story involving Glenn, Maggie & a yet unknown woman. The woman start to flirt with Glenn, but Maggie start to piss it off... the 3 argue the whole time and since Beth is close to her sister & also take care of Judith (baby) she could step up here & show finally a little bit of personality. Beth try to solve the problem but it does escalate since Beth do a "Carley" speech and get shot by the woman. Now we would have a "Lilly" situation where the group does have to decide where this lead to, if they throw her out of the group or let her in, making it for Rick a hard decision.
We would have Hershel/Glenn/Maggie & Carl for sure beeing on the negative side and since Carl seems to try for having more balls like his father he is the 1st one for saying she should be throwed out.
If Hershel's unwilling to shoot the kid (for whatever reason), why not? It doesn't matter who makes the decision to shoot the kid. Likewise, Carl's age is irrelevant to it being the right call.
The only thing that is relevant is the decision itself and whether it's justifiable based on the evidence (and again, it was). That's it, not who makes that decision, not the age of the person who makes it, etc. all that's logically fallacious, it's chaff; a distraction.
We could probably go on forever and never get to an agreement...
In my eyes Carl killed that kid in cold blood, basing and justifing his decision based on childish conclusions, saying that people the group left alive earlier would always come back and kill someone. I see his point (from a childs point of view), still I don't agree... neither to his, nor to your points of view. Murder will never be the right way to go - not now, not in an apocalyptic scenario.
We could probably go on forever and never get to an agreement...
In my eyes Carl killed that kid in cold blood, basing and justifing his decision based on childish conclusions, saying that people the group left alive earlier would always come back and kill someone. I see his point (from a childs point of view), still I don't agree... neither to his, nor to your points of view. Murder will never be the right way to go - not now, not in an apocalyptic scenario.
I guess I'll rest it there...
Even Carl's justification after the fact doesn't matter to it being the right call (though, given his experience, he's not exactly wrong); that's why I just look at the decision itself on its merits based on the evidence.
Did shotgun kid have a loaded weapon in hand with his finger near the trigger? Yes. Did he demonstrate hostile intent? Yes, he had just taken part in the attack on the prison group. Did he refuse to comply with instructions when given the chance to surrender? Again, yes.
Nobody's offered evidence to the contrary of those three points... Even today, if someone were acting like shotgun kid during a surrender? I wouldn't just be permitted to shoot him, I would be expected to shoot him.
I agree,it was really bad and hard to watch and spend 40 minutes watching.I invested in watching this series because of how well written it was,the finale episode summed up how bad season 3 was,and by the looks of things season 4 will be more of the same...
From the looks of what? Have you seen any previews of S4 yet? Wait, there aren't any. They have a new showrunner crying out loud.
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Well i agree in some places. It's the character development that makes the every part of the franchise what it is. Zombie apocalypse is a genre that has been done to death and back and it's the focus on people that keep me interested.
But they built up so much to a big Prison vs Woodbury battle such as the one in the comic. An entire episode was devoted to getting weapons, the meeting with the governor, "this fight will go down to the last man", for the actual battle itself to then have no casualties at all on either side and was a damp squib.
That's funny. It reminds me of American Dad's 100th episode where Roger boasts that 100 CHARACTERS WILL DIE THIS EPISODE! About 96 came from a single bus crash filled with every forgotten one shot character they ever had, two more from one of the crash victims colliding with another minor character, killing them both, a random dog and finally
If it's the right decision (and more than enough evidence has been presented to show it was), it's irrelevant who makes it or why.
Technically... I think a few were killed inside the prison. They came out with less than when they came in. Either that or they messed up somehow. Idk, maybe I'm wrong. I think the walkers got a few though inside.
Really? I didn't see any. I suppose there was probably some friendly fire in the chaos, maybe a small number to walkers.
The point remains that the battle they did so much build up for never happened. The firefight that killed Axel was the biggest of the "war".
Hear, hear. This is what led a lot of fans to expect a showdown, and AMC didn't deliver unfortunately. For a finale, the season went off with a whimper despite a few bangs along the way (e.g. Lori, Axel, Merle, etc.).
I even predicted that Hershel, Beth, Judith, and Carroll would not survive the finale so Tyreese could step in. But I guess all the deaths AMC promised was mostly just a bunch of extras.
I was kind of hoping the group would become a series of hardcore soldiers, not a freakin' daycare service.
The best thing the finale did, was Beth got her first walker kill lol. Her and Carol have actually stepped up, and looked kinda cool in all black xD I imagined men in black.
Well, there's a surprise. A network trying to get more viewers by bigging up an episode.
Don't believe network/corporate spiel.
If it was the right decision... Do you truely want to tell me that the decision to kill a man should be made by a ten year old and not by Hershel standing right next to him?
And where would you find these hardcore soldiers in modern day America? Most of them have been chewed on in other parts of the world... leaving the rest to defend the country...
Well, Ben didn't have any real potential; nobody named Ben in the Walking Dead does. I mean, seriously, the only notable thing Ben did was to use his face to block a bullet with the governor's name on it.
Everybody else though, yeah. I mean, I didn't see Milton exactly becoming a hardass anytime soon, but I could see him certainly being useful. Not everyone can be Rambo (nor should they).
Hell, I'd be really surprised if the old people and kids were there for anything other than fodder for a future massacre (whether it be caused by the governor, walkers, whatever).
I like how they hinted at a friendship between Hershel and Milton, and it amounted to nothing. Aborted arc, much? XD
If Hershel's unwilling to shoot the kid (for whatever reason), why not? It doesn't matter who makes the decision to shoot the kid. Likewise, Carl's age is irrelevant to it being the right call.
The only thing that is relevant is the decision itself and whether it's justifiable based on the evidence (and again, it was). That's it, not who makes that decision, not the age of the person who makes it, etc. all that's logically fallacious, it's chaff; a distraction.
Well to some extent yes, but a lot of the hype for this episode was within the show itself, not just in it's advertising.
I should stress it wasn't that it was a bad episode, there was good emotion/character development, anywhere else in the season i would have really liked it, but for the big moment that that the better part of 15 episodes had been building up to, to last about 15 seconds, with an effortless victory for the prison, makes it a bad finale. It had a very "that was it?" feeling to it.
I was hoping it would go on like it had for the first 15 minutes, with Martinez blowing shiz up, Allen and Shupert on the mounted guns as well as the Governor going into the prison and getting into a direct battle with Rick and/or Daryl.
Rick Vs Governor knife fight would have been amazing.
By the way, a S4 character by the name of Roy Stark is being cast as a series regular. He seems a bit like Abraham Ford.
On the other hand a love triangle story involving Glenn, Maggie & a yet unknown woman. The woman start to flirt with Glenn, but Maggie start to piss it off... the 3 argue the whole time and since Beth is close to her sister & also take care of Judith (baby) she could step up here & show finally a little bit of personality. Beth try to solve the problem but it does escalate since Beth do a "Carley" speech and get shot by the woman. Now we would have a "Lilly" situation where the group does have to decide where this lead to, if they throw her out of the group or let her in, making it for Rick a hard decision.
We would have Hershel/Glenn/Maggie & Carl for sure beeing on the negative side and since Carl seems to try for having more balls like his father he is the 1st one for saying she should be throwed out.
In my eyes Carl killed that kid in cold blood, basing and justifing his decision based on childish conclusions, saying that people the group left alive earlier would always come back and kill someone. I see his point (from a childs point of view), still I don't agree... neither to his, nor to your points of view. Murder will never be the right way to go - not now, not in an apocalyptic scenario.
I guess I'll rest it there...
Even Carl's justification after the fact doesn't matter to it being the right call (though, given his experience, he's not exactly wrong); that's why I just look at the decision itself on its merits based on the evidence.
Did shotgun kid have a loaded weapon in hand with his finger near the trigger? Yes. Did he demonstrate hostile intent? Yes, he had just taken part in the attack on the prison group. Did he refuse to comply with instructions when given the chance to surrender? Again, yes.
Nobody's offered evidence to the contrary of those three points... Even today, if someone were acting like shotgun kid during a surrender? I wouldn't just be permitted to shoot him, I would be expected to shoot him.
From the looks of what? Have you seen any previews of S4 yet? Wait, there aren't any. They have a new showrunner crying out loud.