We've had to take several classes on drawing the human figure. Drawing and Anatomy was the most major one, but there was also Drawing & Perspective, Life Drawing and Drawing for Animation. On those we always had to work on gestural drawings so a model always came in. We had this one female model for a really long time that I even got to know and now we're friends. At first we only had girls but the professor finally got us some males, and wowee. *ahem*
At first, everyone in that class was thankful that they lived in southern Florida, (the beaches around here supposedly gives us people with some of the best bodies) but then when Drawing for Animation came about, there was a surprising amount of people who had chubbier characters and had no idea how to draw the fat correctly, even when it was a disproportionate character. Unfortunately the professor couldn't find us more plus-size models for that class for whatever reason. *sigh* But at least that class made more people appreciate all the different body types out there.
At first, everyone in that class was thankful that they lived in southern Florida, (the beaches around here supposedly gives us people with some of the best bodies) but then when Drawing for Animation came about, there was a surprising amount of people who had chubbier characters and had no idea how to draw the fat correctly, even when it was a disproportionate character. Unfortunately the professor couldn't find us more plus-size models for that class for whatever reason. *sigh* But at least that class made more people appreciate all the different body types out there.
As I said we never had the same model twice within the same year (was a school policy, so we'd learn to draw as many different body types as possible), and although the males were all model-like (muscular, thin, tall but not giant, etc), the females has a pretty good variety. Short, tall, skinny, obese, fair, dark, regular or asymetrical, you name it. I wish it had been the same with males, but they could only find people to pose who were runway material. I guess males are more self-conscious about posing nude?
When I said "anatomy" I meant actually dissecting people, not "life drawing" as it's usually called on the West Coast. Cutting them open ... seeing how muscle joins bone through the sinew, etc ...
Meh. Anyway, most colleges in the Western states at least offer art classes; that's what I meant about students taking those classes for the "easy" credits. There's this idea that you just doodle around in an art course so it's an easier way to get necessary credits to fill out an already heavy load. Obviously, this is not really so, which is why so many people drop out of these classes very, very early on.
And how did the Science! thread get turned into an art discussion? Huh.
When I said "anatomy" I meant actually dissecting people, not "life drawing" as it's usually called on the West Coast. Cutting them open ... seeing how muscle joins bone through the sinew, etc ...
I know. I was just pointing out that there are other ways to have humans in front of you and study their anatomy. Plus this way they're reusable without your needing to wear a gas mask.
And I'm still talking about earthquakes (Seriously, is better for me talk about the theory about it instead of still hear massive destruction everywhere T_T) behold! The Andes!
This beautiful thing is the largest Mountain Chain in the World. Goes all the way from Venezuela to Antartida! Also has the Highest Mountain outside the Asia, the Mount Aconcagua. This one is also the junction point with the South American Plate and the Nazca Plate.
Ok, not really.
The Nazca Plate has part of itself UNDER the South American Plate (That is called Convergent boundaries or active margins). In fact, Easter Island move to South America about 2 inches (I making this up, really, but it's this little) per year. Yes, we were Joking about Easter Island been part of the continent when my grand grand grand grand graaaaaannnndddddd childrens were alive.
The very one of the Right. That is a photo of Chile. I'm sure.
Anyhow, the Nazca Plate ussually moves under the South American Plate creating stress and accumulating energy, which eventually has to be released in form of Earthquakes. This, ironically, is doing all the time. Sometimes which more energy than others. So, pretty much we live in a permanent earthquake we didn't notice. The only problem is those energy is not released in a equal form the whole time (D'uh!) and there's the big earthquakes. Those earthquakes are also related to Volcano Activities, and, normaly, after a big earthquake, some volcanos awake (Just for the record, no, no volcano awaked this time).
The Earthquakes we have here are diferent in nature compared to Haiti's or the San Andreas Fault.
Look at the arrows. You can see the San Andreas Fault with those two plates (The Pacific and the North American Plate) moving to different directions, while if you see the Nazca Plate, only has an arrow pointing to the South American Plate. I think Haiti's is similar to the San Andreas Fault, or at least is different to Chile's, according to the Chilean Military which was in Haiti during that earthquake.
By the way, just one really stupid thing: Chile anexed Easter Island in 1888, which mean Sam and Max were on Chile! Whoo hoo!
Cadavers are treated with preservatives when used for scientific purposes ... nowadays even "normal" bodies are embalmed, at least in the United States. There is a smell, but it's not rotting flesh.
*sigh*
I knew I shouldn't have made a joke in a thread called "science!" >.>
*sigh* You try giving somebody a hand, and they just get sarcastic with you. I was just trying to give your science education a leg up! You've got a good head on your shoulders, but I guess you just don't have the stomach for this kind of thing. I hope you don't think this is just a knee-jerk reaction; I'm just digging my elbow into your ribs a bit.
Argh, that was just horrible. I can't believe I shared an oatmeal pie recipe with you.
You reminded me of Johnny Came Home Headless though. Which is a nice song. And also unscientific, I know, you're going to start telling me about how headless people don't come back home and if they did there is no reason for their body to rot faster than their head, or for both halves (is it still called halves if they're not the same size?) to stay alive for so long.
I think "science" is a bit vague of a thread name though. I mean there are lots of sciences so there is so much to talk about...
Actually MATHS can only be said have been discovered, above invented. The underlying rules have always been the same. No science has been created, it has been discovered. Sociology and Psychology are not sciences.
One day another engineer and I argued at length about Platonic ideals. He was of the opinion that an algorithm (programming or otherwise) is a created thing, and should be capitalized on by its creator. I am of the opinion that an algorithm is a process that is discovered (rather than created) and should be freely available to everyone.
At some point it turned into me shouting about Platonic Idealism.
I really wish I hadn't read that link. I almost fainted when I read the last one. I'm still feeling wobbly. I've always said scientists are crazy. "Mad scientist" is a pleonasm.
One day another engineer and I argued at length about Platonic ideals. He was of the opinion that an algorithm (programming or otherwise) is a created thing, and should be capitalized on by its creator. I am of the opinion that an algorithm is a process that is discovered (rather than created) and should be freely available to everyone.
Erm, so I assume you're not talking about sexless love here? Because if you are, I'm lost. No, scratch that, either way, I'm lost.
Alos, hey! my brother is an engineer too! (Not the brother who's a doctor in mathematics, the next one). I didn't know engineers could work for video game companies instead of having a boring job.
Erm, so I assume you're not talking about sexless love here? Because if you are, I'm lost. No, scratch that, either way, I'm lost.
Alos, hey! my brother is an engineer too! (Not the brother who's a doctor in mathematics, the next one). I didn't know engineers could work for video game companies instead of having a boring job.
Good part of programmers here enter to study that because they want to do Video Games =P
I thought engineering was about wearing ties that curl up and being constantly devalued.
Have I been lied to?
(Okay, I'll admit it. I have absolutely zero clue what engineering actually means. It seems you find engineers doing completely different stuff. I don't know at all what that job is about)
Erm, so I assume you're not talking about sexless love here? Because if you are, I'm lost. No, scratch that, either way, I'm lost.
Alos, hey! my brother is an engineer too! (Not the brother who's a doctor in mathematics, the next one). I didn't know engineers could work for video game companies instead of having a boring job.
It's in reference to that dead Greek guy: Plato
Also an Engineer pretty much makes things, be they Bridges, machines or software.
I thought engineering was about wearing ties that curl up and being constantly devalued.
Have I been lied to?
(Okay, I'll admit it. I have absolutely zero clue what engineering actually means. It seems you find engineers doing completely different stuff. I don't know at all what that job is about)
I have the idea Engineering is about using the Sciences in tangible down to earth stuff. Basically. You use physics for build bridges and math for computer algorithms and that kind of stuff...
If you wanna know, I studing something called "Ingeniería en Informática" which, in a way, have no exact translation in english. The nearest thing is something like "Engineering in Computer Science". Why? Because that was created in France. Yes, a whole field of engineering were created in France, and other people think the french only decapitate kings and let rats cook (There's also the strong relation with the French Revolution and the Latin American Independecy, including Chile's, but that is for the History Corner)
I remember reading that the Andes are so high and stretch so far north to south that they slow down the Earth's rotation a bit. I also remember reading more recently that the recent earthquake messed up the Earth's rotation so that day's are 1.26 microseconds shorter.
Obviously the faults and the the high peaks of Chile are at a disagreement as to the length of a day.
Also, that was really interesting to read.
My interest at the moment is astronomy. I've been spending a lot of time playing around with Celestia, a space simulator. I rolled it into the future a couple of thousand years, and took this screenshot:
(click to enlarge)
Does anyone see what's wrong with it? I know what it is, I'm just curious about how easy it is to spot.
Oh, the information on the top right is just relevant to whatever I selected, in this case a star. If you select the moon, the temperature is 273 Kelvin. Celestia's temperature thing isn't very accurate, though. It thinks Venus is 230 Kelvin.
Cadavers are treated with preservatives when used for scientific purposes ... nowadays even "normal" bodies are embalmed, at least in the United States. There is a smell, but it's not rotting flesh.
There's a difference between a cadaver (a prepared body) and a corpse (a dead body). Cadavers are carefully preserved and can last up to 8 years if well taken care of and in a proper environment- that is, climate controlled for one thing. In my anatomy class, there were experiments on each, cadavers to show musculature and its layering / inconsistencies, and frozen corpse pieces (defrosted sections of elbows, knees, etc) to show levers in the body like ligaments and joint interactions, which become lost when the body is dissected and prepared.
I hear the corpse pieces smelled quite horrid. The cadavers had... well, if you've never experienced formaldehyde....
Also to be entirely nitpicky, I have yet to see any difference in musculature between women and men, apart from the fact that males are more defined. Any difference in the muscles would be mainly structural relating to the skeletal frame (which is often more slight in females), and genetic predisposition to body type. A rhomboid is a rhomboid no matter who it's on. If your dad had huge calves, though, you might inherit them- yet it's different because YOU retain a different genetic makeup, not because of gender.
Also keeping in mind habits and lifestyles.
However, it is much harder for women to build defined muscle mass the way men do, and I believe hormones and genetics play a role in that, though I haven't paid attention to that since high school.
Also I'd like to point out that learning anatomy from looking at a figure model is like learning to bake by looking at a fruit pie. You get the idea of what's going on underneath but it's nowhere near as accurate as if you start from the inside out, then see how it all fits together.
Also I'd like to point out that learning anatomy from looking at a figure model is like learning to bake by looking at a fruit pie. You get the idea of what's going on underneath but it's nowhere near as accurate as if you start from the inside out, then see how it all fits together.
Don't worry, the professors I've had were really strict with learning the skeleton and muscles. (especially my sculpting teacher) In anatomy the first thing we did was to master the skeletal structure with gestural drawings of models in between.
I think "man man 2" produce the same effect sometimes though...
(Just for reference: man is the command to invoke the Manual for commands in Linux. "man man" is the manual of the manual. If there 2 commands with the same name, there's an index. So, the manual for men must be the second one in the index, if the first one is the same manual =P. I know, too nerd and overdo it. T_T)
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Life without science would be so boring.
At first, everyone in that class was thankful that they lived in southern Florida, (the beaches around here supposedly gives us people with some of the best bodies) but then when Drawing for Animation came about, there was a surprising amount of people who had chubbier characters and had no idea how to draw the fat correctly, even when it was a disproportionate character. Unfortunately the professor couldn't find us more plus-size models for that class for whatever reason. *sigh* But at least that class made more people appreciate all the different body types out there.
As I said we never had the same model twice within the same year (was a school policy, so we'd learn to draw as many different body types as possible), and although the males were all model-like (muscular, thin, tall but not giant, etc), the females has a pretty good variety. Short, tall, skinny, obese, fair, dark, regular or asymetrical, you name it. I wish it had been the same with males, but they could only find people to pose who were runway material. I guess males are more self-conscious about posing nude?
Meh. Anyway, most colleges in the Western states at least offer art classes; that's what I meant about students taking those classes for the "easy" credits. There's this idea that you just doodle around in an art course so it's an easier way to get necessary credits to fill out an already heavy load. Obviously, this is not really so, which is why so many people drop out of these classes very, very early on.
And how did the Science! thread get turned into an art discussion? Huh.
I know. I was just pointing out that there are other ways to have humans in front of you and study their anatomy. Plus this way they're reusable without your needing to wear a gas mask.
That's the power of art!
(Seriously, it's your fault, you said that science was useful in art and we just rolled with it. Bad Lena.)
Now, Salt. Discuss.
(That is the first thing that popped up in my head. Sue me.)
This beautiful thing is the largest Mountain Chain in the World. Goes all the way from Venezuela to Antartida! Also has the Highest Mountain outside the Asia, the Mount Aconcagua. This one is also the junction point with the South American Plate and the Nazca Plate.
Ok, not really.
The Nazca Plate has part of itself UNDER the South American Plate (That is called Convergent boundaries or active margins). In fact, Easter Island move to South America about 2 inches (I making this up, really, but it's this little) per year. Yes, we were Joking about Easter Island been part of the continent when my grand grand grand grand graaaaaannnndddddd childrens were alive.
The very one of the Right. That is a photo of Chile. I'm sure.
Anyhow, the Nazca Plate ussually moves under the South American Plate creating stress and accumulating energy, which eventually has to be released in form of Earthquakes. This, ironically, is doing all the time. Sometimes which more energy than others. So, pretty much we live in a permanent earthquake we didn't notice. The only problem is those energy is not released in a equal form the whole time (D'uh!) and there's the big earthquakes. Those earthquakes are also related to Volcano Activities, and, normaly, after a big earthquake, some volcanos awake (Just for the record, no, no volcano awaked this time).
The Earthquakes we have here are diferent in nature compared to Haiti's or the San Andreas Fault.
Look at the arrows. You can see the San Andreas Fault with those two plates (The Pacific and the North American Plate) moving to different directions, while if you see the Nazca Plate, only has an arrow pointing to the South American Plate. I think Haiti's is similar to the San Andreas Fault, or at least is different to Chile's, according to the Chilean Military which was in Haiti during that earthquake.
By the way, just one really stupid thing: Chile anexed Easter Island in 1888, which mean Sam and Max were on Chile! Whoo hoo!
I was talking about them being reusable. My point was that after a little while, they would really start stinking.
I knew I shouldn't have made a joke in a thread called "science!" >.>
*sigh* You try giving somebody a hand, and they just get sarcastic with you. I was just trying to give your science education a leg up! You've got a good head on your shoulders, but I guess you just don't have the stomach for this kind of thing. I hope you don't think this is just a knee-jerk reaction; I'm just digging my elbow into your ribs a bit.
You reminded me of Johnny Came Home Headless though. Which is a nice song. And also unscientific, I know, you're going to start telling me about how headless people don't come back home and if they did there is no reason for their body to rot faster than their head, or for both halves (is it still called halves if they're not the same size?) to stay alive for so long.
I think "science" is a bit vague of a thread name though. I mean there are lots of sciences so there is so much to talk about...
Say whaaaa? What kind of work did you do there?
My guess. Sabotage
No, it's just the poisonous vapors of the preservative agents and desinfectants like formalin ...
One day another engineer and I argued at length about Platonic ideals. He was of the opinion that an algorithm (programming or otherwise) is a created thing, and should be capitalized on by its creator. I am of the opinion that an algorithm is a process that is discovered (rather than created) and should be freely available to everyone.
At some point it turned into me shouting about Platonic Idealism.
I'm quite mad, you know.
I really wish I hadn't read that link. I almost fainted when I read the last one. I'm still feeling wobbly. I've always said scientists are crazy. "Mad scientist" is a pleonasm.
Erm, so I assume you're not talking about sexless love here? Because if you are, I'm lost. No, scratch that, either way, I'm lost.
Alos, hey! my brother is an engineer too! (Not the brother who's a doctor in mathematics, the next one). I didn't know engineers could work for video game companies instead of having a boring job.
Good part of programmers here enter to study that because they want to do Video Games =P
Have I been lied to?
(Okay, I'll admit it. I have absolutely zero clue what engineering actually means. It seems you find engineers doing completely different stuff. I don't know at all what that job is about)
It's in reference to that dead Greek guy: Plato
Also an Engineer pretty much makes things, be they Bridges, machines or software.
I have the idea Engineering is about using the Sciences in tangible down to earth stuff. Basically. You use physics for build bridges and math for computer algorithms and that kind of stuff...
If you wanna know, I studing something called "Ingeniería en Informática" which, in a way, have no exact translation in english. The nearest thing is something like "Engineering in Computer Science". Why? Because that was created in France. Yes, a whole field of engineering were created in France, and other people think the french only decapitate kings and let rats cook (There's also the strong relation with the French Revolution and the Latin American Independecy, including Chile's, but that is for the History Corner)
Oh no, you misunderstand! I'm actually one of the conductors of the Telltale Train.
Obviously the faults and the the high peaks of Chile are at a disagreement as to the length of a day.
Also, that was really interesting to read.
My interest at the moment is astronomy. I've been spending a lot of time playing around with Celestia, a space simulator. I rolled it into the future a couple of thousand years, and took this screenshot:
(click to enlarge)
Does anyone see what's wrong with it? I know what it is, I'm just curious about how easy it is to spot.
Telltale is a steam train or do you just like waving batons?
(That's a mathematical or)
There's a difference between a cadaver (a prepared body) and a corpse (a dead body). Cadavers are carefully preserved and can last up to 8 years if well taken care of and in a proper environment- that is, climate controlled for one thing. In my anatomy class, there were experiments on each, cadavers to show musculature and its layering / inconsistencies, and frozen corpse pieces (defrosted sections of elbows, knees, etc) to show levers in the body like ligaments and joint interactions, which become lost when the body is dissected and prepared.
I hear the corpse pieces smelled quite horrid. The cadavers had... well, if you've never experienced formaldehyde....
Also to be entirely nitpicky, I have yet to see any difference in musculature between women and men, apart from the fact that males are more defined. Any difference in the muscles would be mainly structural relating to the skeletal frame (which is often more slight in females), and genetic predisposition to body type. A rhomboid is a rhomboid no matter who it's on. If your dad had huge calves, though, you might inherit them- yet it's different because YOU retain a different genetic makeup, not because of gender.
Also keeping in mind habits and lifestyles.
However, it is much harder for women to build defined muscle mass the way men do, and I believe hormones and genetics play a role in that, though I haven't paid attention to that since high school.
The Telltale Train sports a two-stroke engine that runs on a precise mixture of the blood and tears of my enemies.
And who doesn't like waving batons?
I prefer wands.
'Baton' is code for 'wand'.
Typical programmer. Everything is "code."
Don't worry, the professors I've had were really strict with learning the skeleton and muscles. (especially my sculpting teacher) In anatomy the first thing we did was to master the skeletal structure with gestural drawings of models in between.
That make me remember this shirt:
I think "man man 2" produce the same effect sometimes though...
(Just for reference: man is the command to invoke the Manual for commands in Linux. "man man" is the manual of the manual. If there 2 commands with the same name, there's an index. So, the manual for men must be the second one in the index, if the first one is the same manual =P. I know, too nerd and overdo it. T_T)