Hmm, Saturn and Neptune are on a different plane from the Earth and Moon?
All planets have slight eccentricities in their planar orbits compared to each other, they're just more extreme with the outer planets (and most extreme with Pluto, which is NOT a planet anymore). Also, all orbits are elliptical
I have a confusion: Pluto is not a planet because is too small or because its totally weird orbit?
The new planetary classification goes like this:
1. The object must be in orbit around the Sun.
2. The object must be massive enough to be a sphere by its own gravitational force. More specifically, its own gravity should pull it into a shape of hydrostatic equilibrium.
3. It must have cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.
Pluto fails to meet the third one, because it's "moon" isn't actually a moon, its an object large enough to tug the center of rotation OUTSIDE the internal area of Pluto making it a double-orbit object. Besides, if pluto is a planet so are all these other jerks:
There's a difference between a cadaver (a prepared body) and a corpse (a dead body).
That's kinda funny, because the French word for "corpse" is "cadavre". I mean, there is the word "corps" which can mean "dead body", but since it just means "body" it's not very specific either.
Also to be entirely nitpicky, I have yet to see any difference in musculature between women and men, apart from the fact that males are more defined.
Well I was only talking about drawing them. You can't really see female's muscles in an average female so the shapes you draw are much easier. Males have all these bulges coming out here and there, and even if they're not muscular they have a different bone structure or repartition of fat, like broader shoulders, smaller hips and sometimes no apparent waist, as opposed to the more hourglass figure.
Drawing to learn anatomy, if you want to become a doctor or biologist or anything like that, isn't going to help you. But drawing people to learn how to draw them will. Even if you study anatomy it's good to then draw actual people, otherwise you'll draw in a "schoolbook" way, with all your people looking average and none of them looking alive and real.
I guess it could be said that anatomy teaches you how we're all the same, and live drawing teaches you how we're all different.
I /still/ don't follow one percent of this conversation. Oh, and I do know about Computer Engineering, isn't that the way it's called in English? (Of ourse I don't know what it means, either).
So by your definition, an engineer is someone who makes stuff, no matter what that stuff is? Wouldn't that make everybody an engineer though?
Even though Pluto was my favourite planet, I wasn't bothered when it was demoted. Being put into a slightly different category doesn't affect the body itself in any way. Besides, now I can finally think of something big and unique about Neptune. That bothered me when I was little. Mercury was the closest to the sun, Venus was the hottest, Earth had life, Mars was bright red and very popular, Jupiter was the biggest, Saturn had rings, Uranus was on its side, and Pluto was the furthest out and the smallest, so what was Neptune?
I don't think Pluto was demoted for being a double planet with Charon, though. I think it was because of all the other junk in its orbit.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Do you mean the object that was discovered in 2005 and reported by a lot of places as being a new planet, because it was bigger than Pluto. At the time it was referred to Xena, but that was always a nickname. I believe there are rules about how a planet can be named, and this object couldn't be named until the IAU figured out whether or not it was a planet.
It was eventually named Eris, after the Greek goddess of strife, which I think is pretty appropriate.
Or are you talking about Sedna? I think that was reported by some places as a planet as well. It was named after the Inuit goddess of the sea, and is mostly interesting because it's ridiculously far away. Its closest approach to the sun is about 76 AU, while its furthest is 975 AU - Earth is 1 AU from the sun, and Neptune is about 30.
I like that Sedna wasn't named after a figure from classical mythology. There's a whole planet of mythologies to get names from. No reason to restrict things to the southern coast of one continent.
I like that Sedna wasn't named after a figure from classical mythology. There's a whole planet of mythologies to get names from. No reason to restrict things to the southern coast of one continent.
Yeah, but they're breaking the pattern here! There are lots of planets in other solar systems, but for this one, don't go around not giving a sh*t about the pattern! Then it doesn't mean anything anymore and it's just confusing.
This being said, as far as using a non-roman mythology goes, I'm glad they went for that one. But I say if we're going to be diverse, then the existing ones should be renamed too for the sake of consistency. There are lots of mythologies as you said.
Anyway, if it's not a planet then none of that actually matters.
Also, now I'm curious what each planet could be renamed too from another mythology. And which would keep its name.
Ah, a science thread. I headed up one of these at another forum I frequent for quite a while.
Let's see, a big opening contribution...I know. The University of Nottingham in the United Kingdom (one of the six official Science Cities in the nation) has become quite well known for its sciences via YouTube. Anyone interested in physics and astronomy should check out Sixty Symbols. Chemists and those interested in the elements should behold The Periodic Table of Videos. The original site for general science is Test Tube UK. They've even got a site for the university's theology department now (Bibledex).
My interest at the moment is astronomy. I've been spending a lot of time playing around with Celestia, a space simulator. I rolled it into the future a couple of thousand years, and took this screenshot:
(click to enlarge)
Does anyone see what's wrong with it? I know what it is, I'm just curious about how easy it is to spot.
The wrong side of the moon is facing the viewer? Tycho's Crater (If that's what's in the lower left) should not be visible from this angle.
A) You could actually consider "Earth" itself broke the naming convention in the sense that the word is ultimately from the Gothic (language) and unrelated to the mythologies of Rome or Greece. Of course, there was no "naming convention for planets" at the time, since what we call planets were referred to by the Romans and Greeks as the "five wandering stars". While they were recognized as different from the other celestial bodies visible in the night sky, they were not identified as actually being different in structure from the "other" stars, which also were named after mythological figures. In fact, one could argue that when the "convention" was created it broke the rules itself. When Uranus was first named in the 18th century, it was to be named after King George III. The name didn't really catch on, so it was given the Latinized spelling of the Greek god Ouranos. Technically, if it were to follow the pattern set by the previous planets, it should have been called "Caelus" after the deity created by the Hellenized Romans to be cognate with Ouranos.
Sorry for bringing History into the Science thread; I guess I just can't help myself.
C) I am both fascinated and grossed out by the fact that so many Telltalers have worked on dead bodies. So many questions that I dare not ask ... especially as regards smells. (I mean, formaldehyde is pretty terrible, so if the frozen corpses were worse ...)
D) You're not a real engineer if you don't have the hat. It is Train Law.
Or at least it was, until I read under the comments that the reason the electrons being observed behaved differently is because in order to make them observable, we had to alter their behavior ourselves.
A) You could actually consider "Earth" itself broke the naming convention in the sense that the word is ultimately from the Gothic (language) and unrelated to the mythologies of Rome or Greece. Of course, there was no "naming convention for planets" at the time, since what we call planets were referred to by the Romans and Greeks as the "five wandering stars". While they were recognized as different from the other celestial bodies visible in the night sky, they were not identified as actually being different in structure from the "other" stars, which also were named after mythological figures. In fact, one could argue that when the "convention" was created it broke the rules itself. When Uranus was first named in the 18th century, it was to be named after King George III. The name didn't really catch on, so it was given the Latinized spelling of the Greek god Ouranos. Technically, if it were to follow the pattern set by the previous planets, it should have been called "Caelus" after the deity created by the Hellenized Romans to be cognate with Ouranos.
In fact, when the discoverer of Uranus, William Herschel, wrote to Joseph Banks about the name he'd given the planet, he said
In the present more philosophical era it would hardly be allowable to have recourse to the same method [as the ancients] and call it Juno, Pallas, Apollo or Minerva, for a name to our new heavenly body.
I guess the rest of the world that had heard of him didn't like the idea of naming the planet after the king of England.
Juno and Pallas are two of the earliest asteroids discovered, and were originally classed as planets, which makes Herschel's comment kind of amusing. Minerva and Apollo are asteroids as well, but they were never classified as planets. Beside, Canterbury in New Zealand has an asteroid named after it. It's not that surprising.
Also, now I'm curious what each planet could be renamed too from another mythology. And which would keep its name.
That's an interesting thought. I wish I knew more mythology so I could think about it better. I think I'd change Jupiter to Zeus and give the other planets unrelated names so that nothing keeps its name.
Drawing to learn anatomy, if you want to become a doctor or biologist or anything like that, isn't going to help you. But drawing people to learn how to draw them will.
Well of course, it's a combination of the two, but I've corrected too many people on general structure of the body while they just worked out gestures. While I am no artist myself, I believe that pieces of the puzzle will help you not only understand what a body looks like in its form, but WHY it looks that way, and thus how to draw it. Sure there are differences in bodies and structures (a lot of anatomy classes have team evaluations and viewings in seeing the differences between your peers and you) but that's like thinking about abstract poetry when you don't know how to rhyme. Even a basic understanding of structure goes a long way, especially when doing 3-D modeling and so forth. But again, that is just a rant. I like bodies.
I have a science experiment I plan to do tomorrow, drink a lot and see how much knocks me out, you should all try it too!
I'm sorry, but there are major flaws in your experiment proposal. You have not specified the beverage which you hypothesize shall render you unconscious if a sufficient quality is ingested. I assume you are referring to ethyl alcohol, but without specifying how the alcohol is to be consumed, it shall be impossible to properly correlate the results. For example, if you consume primarily beer of 5.5.% alcohol in solution and consume 3.5 litres before passing out, while another individual consumes 4 martinis of approximately 0.5 litres total liquid how will we be able to properly tabulate the results? I'm afraid your methodology is too sloppy, and I must decline your grant request.
True, for even if the Saur of Nik dost keel over dead from her dolorous affliction, she shall be remembered as a true hero amongst Thunder Lizards and Provider of Games Most Exceptional. Or ... web content provider or contest imaginationer or whatever her job actually is.
Sleep and Rest?! With season 3 still not out yet?!
I prefer having Telltale Safe and Sound for make more games in the future instead of having them killed for make the Season 3. SO GO TO SLEEP AND REST!
I prefer having Telltale Safe and Sound for make more games in the future instead of having them killed for make the Season 3. SO GO TO SLEEP AND REST!
Quickly, segue into REM cycles and effects on the body! SCIENCE!
Quickly, segue into REM cycles and effects on the body! SCIENCE!
Rapid Eye Movement, or REM, is the period in sleep when an individual's motor functions are disabled to the point of near bodily paralysis, with the most notable exception being the eyes, which move rapidly, hence the name. It is during this most crucial stage of sleep that the body rebuilds most of its muscles, and people experience the most vivid dreams. For individuals with sleep disorders, such as sleep apnea or insomnia, the lack of REM sleep has myriad physical and mental consequences, including weakened muscles, lack of ability to focus and poor memory retention.
It was also the name of a band that was constantly losing its religion because it would forget that it left the religion on the top of the car and would then drive off.
REM's French name translate to "paradoxal sleep", which I find to be a much nicer name than "Rapid Eye Movements" (more explanatory, too, REM doesn't even have a part that says it's while you're asleep)
I think the problem with the people I knew who only learned anatomy and then tried to draw is that they didn't know "shortcuts". Like, they could draw if first they drew the whole skeleton, then the organs, then the muscles... Which is a problem when you don't have several days for each doodle.
I think working on the outside, you learn what can be seen and what cannot, and although it's important to keep both in mind, in the end only the outer part of your drawing is going to be seen.
Anyway, I think we agree that both are needed.
Also, not sure what it means scientifically, but I always remember my dreams. Not all of them I don't think, but 2-3 different ones per night. Usually I forget them again during the day but sometimes I remember them for years. The problem is telling them as they often don't make sense.
Last night I had a dream with scientists, interestingly. There was a disease and it escaped from someone's body and into a wall, then they realised the disease was feeding off humans (well, duh) but they weren't sure why it left. They left a guy there to study that and went somewhere else, and they were supposed to meet the guy in a coffee shop later, or he'd keep them in touch if he couldn't. He was instructed not to put himself in danger.
His computer thingie went into the wall and man was he at a loss of what to do. so he touched the wall and his hand went through it but when he took it out the fingers, the part that had gone into the wall, were gone. Then there was a flicker and they were back.
He understood something (couldn't tell you what) and went into the wall completely.
The other scientists where monitoring him, or rather tha wall, and could see him inside as some kind of electricity thingie. He was running as fast as he could, and they commented that the other guy who went through the wall (???) had been destroyed within minutes even though he was going slowly, and this one was running super-fast so it was dangerous.
Someone made a comment about how spending energy was giving him more energy because of the disease that was in the wall (and everything was apparently virtual and not physical in there).
Then while he was running there was a gameshow that stopped him, and he had to answer 5 questions, 4 where unintelligible scientif jumbo that doesn't mean anything and the last one was "what's your unresolved question", to that one he said "how to get over the person I love" (Hum, ok, it's not like there is any OTHER unresolved question right now >.>)
Then he was off again. Oh, also he answered everything super fast while jumping in place.
Everybody was worried that even though he obviously found a way to survive, he wouldn't make the switch to the real world in the coffee where they were supposed to meet. But he did.
I don't know how or why since I'm awake now. It's was a fairly consistent dream in that I can tell it with words and without constantly saying things like "the man was now a square with a duck inside of it".
incidentally, you'll notice I wasn't in my dream, that happens to me fairly often. When I do appear in dream they often are self-aware dreams, as in I know it's a dream and I can actually control it. These I don't forget at all (that I know of, of course), it's pretty much like being awake except I can do much more.
The bad part about remembering your dreams is that you also remember the nightmares, even the horrible ones, and the dreams that you realise were not supposed to be nightmares but are disturbing none the less. The other day I had a dream that my cat tried to have sex with my belly button, then it started bleeding and various stuff came out of me. I didn't go to the hospital or anything, I was like "oh, everything will be fine I'm sure". My husband was very worried.
Here, if anyone can tell me what that means (not what my specific dreams mean, but the fact that I can remember them, the fact that they're often self-aware, things like that. There might be a scientific explanation for these things, right?)
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All planets have slight eccentricities in their planar orbits compared to each other, they're just more extreme with the outer planets (and most extreme with Pluto, which is NOT a planet anymore). Also, all orbits are elliptical
I have a confusion: Pluto is not a planet because is too small or because its totally weird orbit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
The new planetary classification goes like this:
1. The object must be in orbit around the Sun.
2. The object must be massive enough to be a sphere by its own gravitational force. More specifically, its own gravity should pull it into a shape of hydrostatic equilibrium.
3. It must have cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.
Pluto fails to meet the third one, because it's "moon" isn't actually a moon, its an object large enough to tug the center of rotation OUTSIDE the internal area of Pluto making it a double-orbit object. Besides, if pluto is a planet so are all these other jerks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EightTNOs.png
I've heard this before and it's a wonderful thing. That John astin is awesome, just awesome.
That's kinda funny, because the French word for "corpse" is "cadavre". I mean, there is the word "corps" which can mean "dead body", but since it just means "body" it's not very specific either.
Well I was only talking about drawing them. You can't really see female's muscles in an average female so the shapes you draw are much easier. Males have all these bulges coming out here and there, and even if they're not muscular they have a different bone structure or repartition of fat, like broader shoulders, smaller hips and sometimes no apparent waist, as opposed to the more hourglass figure.
Drawing to learn anatomy, if you want to become a doctor or biologist or anything like that, isn't going to help you. But drawing people to learn how to draw them will. Even if you study anatomy it's good to then draw actual people, otherwise you'll draw in a "schoolbook" way, with all your people looking average and none of them looking alive and real.
I guess it could be said that anatomy teaches you how we're all the same, and live drawing teaches you how we're all different.
I /still/ don't follow one percent of this conversation. Oh, and I do know about Computer Engineering, isn't that the way it's called in English? (Of ourse I don't know what it means, either).
So by your definition, an engineer is someone who makes stuff, no matter what that stuff is? Wouldn't that make everybody an engineer though?
Even though Pluto was my favourite planet, I wasn't bothered when it was demoted. Being put into a slightly different category doesn't affect the body itself in any way. Besides, now I can finally think of something big and unique about Neptune. That bothered me when I was little. Mercury was the closest to the sun, Venus was the hottest, Earth had life, Mars was bright red and very popular, Jupiter was the biggest, Saturn had rings, Uranus was on its side, and Pluto was the furthest out and the smallest, so what was Neptune?
I don't think Pluto was demoted for being a double planet with Charon, though. I think it was because of all the other junk in its orbit.
No, they're on more or less the same plane in that picture.
But... Wasn't there a new planet, too? That they didn't name following the same pattern so I got annoyed, if I remember correctly.
It was eventually named Eris, after the Greek goddess of strife, which I think is pretty appropriate.
Or are you talking about Sedna? I think that was reported by some places as a planet as well. It was named after the Inuit goddess of the sea, and is mostly interesting because it's ridiculously far away. Its closest approach to the sun is about 76 AU, while its furthest is 975 AU - Earth is 1 AU from the sun, and Neptune is about 30.
I like that Sedna wasn't named after a figure from classical mythology. There's a whole planet of mythologies to get names from. No reason to restrict things to the southern coast of one continent.
Yeah, that's the one! So it's not actually a planet either?
Yeah, but they're breaking the pattern here! There are lots of planets in other solar systems, but for this one, don't go around not giving a sh*t about the pattern! Then it doesn't mean anything anymore and it's just confusing.
This being said, as far as using a non-roman mythology goes, I'm glad they went for that one. But I say if we're going to be diverse, then the existing ones should be renamed too for the sake of consistency. There are lots of mythologies as you said.
Anyway, if it's not a planet then none of that actually matters.
Also, now I'm curious what each planet could be renamed too from another mythology. And which would keep its name.
Let's see, a big opening contribution...I know. The University of Nottingham in the United Kingdom (one of the six official Science Cities in the nation) has become quite well known for its sciences via YouTube. Anyone interested in physics and astronomy should check out Sixty Symbols. Chemists and those interested in the elements should behold The Periodic Table of Videos. The original site for general science is Test Tube UK. They've even got a site for the university's theology department now (Bibledex).
The wrong side of the moon is facing the viewer? Tycho's Crater (If that's what's in the lower left) should not be visible from this angle.
C) I am both fascinated and grossed out by the fact that so many Telltalers have worked on dead bodies. So many questions that I dare not ask ... especially as regards smells. (I mean, formaldehyde is pretty terrible, so if the frozen corpses were worse ...)
D) You're not a real engineer if you don't have the hat. It is Train Law.
This is a scary video.
Or at least it was, until I read under the comments that the reason the electrons being observed behaved differently is because in order to make them observable, we had to alter their behavior ourselves.
Great stuff, too bad it was used in an attempt to qualify all the unscientific schlock in What the Bleep do we Know.
Which from the little I've read, is a great book. If I can pick up a book and amaze myself, I feel the mission was accomplished.
In fact, when the discoverer of Uranus, William Herschel, wrote to Joseph Banks about the name he'd given the planet, he said I guess the rest of the world that had heard of him didn't like the idea of naming the planet after the king of England.
Juno and Pallas are two of the earliest asteroids discovered, and were originally classed as planets, which makes Herschel's comment kind of amusing. Minerva and Apollo are asteroids as well, but they were never classified as planets. Beside, Canterbury in New Zealand has an asteroid named after it. It's not that surprising.
That's an interesting thought. I wish I knew more mythology so I could think about it better. I think I'd change Jupiter to Zeus and give the other planets unrelated names so that nothing keeps its name.
Quantum mysticism is the worst thing.
Yes, it is quite strange. Charming perhaps.
Those were terrible puns!
"Terrible puns" is a redundancy, but I at least appreciate quark jokes. However, the older ones tend to go a little sideways...heh-heh-heh.
Well of course, it's a combination of the two, but I've corrected too many people on general structure of the body while they just worked out gestures. While I am no artist myself, I believe that pieces of the puzzle will help you not only understand what a body looks like in its form, but WHY it looks that way, and thus how to draw it. Sure there are differences in bodies and structures (a lot of anatomy classes have team evaluations and viewings in seeing the differences between your peers and you) but that's like thinking about abstract poetry when you don't know how to rhyme. Even a basic understanding of structure goes a long way, especially when doing 3-D modeling and so forth. But again, that is just a rant. I like bodies.
Translation:
Vertical Axis: Energy in Kilotons
Horinzontal Axis: Richter Scale.
1- Small Atomic Bomb
2- Atomic Bomb (Nagasaki)
3- Haití Earthquake 2010
4- Chilean Earthquake 2010
5- Grand Chilean Earthquake 1960
That's depends: If you drink that using a spoon, it'll be faster.
Iv is fastest.
I'm sorry, but there are major flaws in your experiment proposal. You have not specified the beverage which you hypothesize shall render you unconscious if a sufficient quality is ingested. I assume you are referring to ethyl alcohol, but without specifying how the alcohol is to be consumed, it shall be impossible to properly correlate the results. For example, if you consume primarily beer of 5.5.% alcohol in solution and consume 3.5 litres before passing out, while another individual consumes 4 martinis of approximately 0.5 litres total liquid how will we be able to properly tabulate the results? I'm afraid your methodology is too sloppy, and I must decline your grant request.
Control Variable : Not Sick.
Have you trying, I don't know, Sleep and Rest also?
No rest for game makers! Nay!
I prefer having Telltale Safe and Sound for make more games in the future instead of having them killed for make the Season 3. SO GO TO SLEEP AND REST!
Quickly, segue into REM cycles and effects on the body! SCIENCE!
Oh, all right. But only if it's FOR SCIENCE!
Rapid Eye Movement, or REM, is the period in sleep when an individual's motor functions are disabled to the point of near bodily paralysis, with the most notable exception being the eyes, which move rapidly, hence the name. It is during this most crucial stage of sleep that the body rebuilds most of its muscles, and people experience the most vivid dreams. For individuals with sleep disorders, such as sleep apnea or insomnia, the lack of REM sleep has myriad physical and mental consequences, including weakened muscles, lack of ability to focus and poor memory retention.
It was also the name of a band that was constantly losing its religion because it would forget that it left the religion on the top of the car and would then drive off.
I think the problem with the people I knew who only learned anatomy and then tried to draw is that they didn't know "shortcuts". Like, they could draw if first they drew the whole skeleton, then the organs, then the muscles... Which is a problem when you don't have several days for each doodle.
I think working on the outside, you learn what can be seen and what cannot, and although it's important to keep both in mind, in the end only the outer part of your drawing is going to be seen.
Anyway, I think we agree that both are needed.
Also, not sure what it means scientifically, but I always remember my dreams. Not all of them I don't think, but 2-3 different ones per night. Usually I forget them again during the day but sometimes I remember them for years. The problem is telling them as they often don't make sense.
Last night I had a dream with scientists, interestingly. There was a disease and it escaped from someone's body and into a wall, then they realised the disease was feeding off humans (well, duh) but they weren't sure why it left. They left a guy there to study that and went somewhere else, and they were supposed to meet the guy in a coffee shop later, or he'd keep them in touch if he couldn't. He was instructed not to put himself in danger.
His computer thingie went into the wall and man was he at a loss of what to do. so he touched the wall and his hand went through it but when he took it out the fingers, the part that had gone into the wall, were gone. Then there was a flicker and they were back.
He understood something (couldn't tell you what) and went into the wall completely.
The other scientists where monitoring him, or rather tha wall, and could see him inside as some kind of electricity thingie. He was running as fast as he could, and they commented that the other guy who went through the wall (???) had been destroyed within minutes even though he was going slowly, and this one was running super-fast so it was dangerous.
Someone made a comment about how spending energy was giving him more energy because of the disease that was in the wall (and everything was apparently virtual and not physical in there).
Then while he was running there was a gameshow that stopped him, and he had to answer 5 questions, 4 where unintelligible scientif jumbo that doesn't mean anything and the last one was "what's your unresolved question", to that one he said "how to get over the person I love" (Hum, ok, it's not like there is any OTHER unresolved question right now >.>)
Then he was off again. Oh, also he answered everything super fast while jumping in place.
Everybody was worried that even though he obviously found a way to survive, he wouldn't make the switch to the real world in the coffee where they were supposed to meet. But he did.
I don't know how or why since I'm awake now. It's was a fairly consistent dream in that I can tell it with words and without constantly saying things like "the man was now a square with a duck inside of it".
incidentally, you'll notice I wasn't in my dream, that happens to me fairly often. When I do appear in dream they often are self-aware dreams, as in I know it's a dream and I can actually control it. These I don't forget at all (that I know of, of course), it's pretty much like being awake except I can do much more.
The bad part about remembering your dreams is that you also remember the nightmares, even the horrible ones, and the dreams that you realise were not supposed to be nightmares but are disturbing none the less. The other day I had a dream that my cat tried to have sex with my belly button, then it started bleeding and various stuff came out of me. I didn't go to the hospital or anything, I was like "oh, everything will be fine I'm sure". My husband was very worried.
Here, if anyone can tell me what that means (not what my specific dreams mean, but the fact that I can remember them, the fact that they're often self-aware, things like that. There might be a scientific explanation for these things, right?)