I don't want the Lee/Clem Story Arc to continue in Season 2...

edited July 2013 in The Walking Dead
I kinda wish Telltale hadn't shown us that after-credits scene...

I feel like Episode 5 wrapped up Season 1 rather well, and would prefer to play as a new survivor in another group in a different area (like Kentucky or Washington DC in the Comics). Hell - I'm so pumped for 400 Days because of this (despite it still being set in Georgia).

Anyone else feel this way?

I feel like a continuation would be a re-hash...
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  • edited June 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    I kinda wish Telltale hadn't shown us that after-credits scene...

    I feel like Episode 5 wrapped up Season 1 rather well, and would prefer to play as a new survivor in another group in a different area (like Kentucky or Washington DC in the Comics). Hell - I'm so pumped for 400 Days because of this (despite it still being set in Georgia).

    Anyone else feel this way?

    I feel like a continuation would be a re-hash...

    Well Lee is dead, so I doubt they'd continue with him.. but, yeah, I'd like too see other areas ... maybe.. a different country? .. I'm kinda sick of zombie media /always/ focusing on america. I'd rather see how other countries are faring, like the UK or Russia.
  • edited June 2013
    stevean2 wrote: »
    Well Lee is dead, so I doubt they'd continue with him.. but, yeah, I'd like too see other areas ... maybe.. a different country? .. I'm kinda sick of zombie media /always/ focusing on america. I'd rather see how other countries are faring, like the UK or Russia.

    I hear you. I don't think that an American studio could capture our vibe or culture, though - maybe its best if they just stick with what they know...
  • edited June 2013
    I hope it's not all about Clem still, but I would like to see her return, and to find out the fate of Lilly, Christa, and Omid.

    Would prefer a brand new group that runs into the Season 1 survivors.
  • edited June 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    I hear you. I don't think that an American studio could capture our vibe or culture, though - maybe its best if they just stick with what they know...

    I always see that arguement, but it doesnt hold water, it's set in a alternative reality/universe, so they could really do anything they wanted, plus I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to take a quick trip to said country and learn about it for a few weeks or something, or learn from some people who live there, but eeeeeeh.
  • edited June 2013
    stevean2 wrote: »
    I always see that arguement, but it doesnt hold water, it's set in a alternative reality/universe, so they could really do anything they wanted, plus I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to take a quick trip to said country and learn about it for a few weeks or something, or learn from some people who live there, but eeeeeeh.

    It would not appeal to Americans.
  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited June 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    I hear you. I don't think that an American studio could capture our vibe or culture, though - maybe its best if they just stick with what they know...
    Telltale did pretty well with Wallace & Gromit's Grand Adventures (they had a consultant on British culture and the voice acting was recorded by voice artists from the United Kingdom in a recording studio in England).
  • edited June 2013
    Jennifer wrote: »
    Telltale did pretty well with Wallace & Gromit's Grand Adventures (they had a consultant on British culture and the voice acting was recorded by voice artists from the United Kingdom in a recording studio in England).

    Wallace and Gromit is family-friendly with stereotypical characters (Eccentric Inventor, Bobby on the Beat, Indian Corner-shop Worker, Lady of the manor, etc.).
    A Zombie Apocalypse story is a completely different area...
  • edited June 2013
    stevean2 wrote: »
    Well Lee is dead, so I doubt they'd continue with him.. but, yeah, I'd like too see other areas ... maybe.. a different country? .. I'm kinda sick of zombie media /always/ focusing on america. I'd rather see how other countries are faring, like the UK or Russia.

    is you have common sense, lee was a father to clem, so she will use the lesson lee gave her like the gun lessons and other to because a power girl. Thats how we will see lee
  • edited June 2013
    I just don't see it as The Walking Dead unless it is a continuing story like the comics. Kirman never went "Ah well. Im sick of Rick and his one hand. Lets make a new bunch"
  • edited June 2013
    This is getting off-topic. What I'm talking about is having a new group for Season 2 of the game. I feel like the Lee/Clem arc is done and dusted.

    Anyone else feel this way?

    Ps. Gary Whitta, Sean Vanaman and the Telltale Team has beaten Robert Kirkman at his own game, in my opinion...
  • edited June 2013
    You can have too much of a good thing and they got the Clem story perfect. I'd hate to see it dragged out until it becomes boring, be much better to tackle something fresh, especially since it's 100% certain you will be playing another character since Lee is dead.

    If Lee was alive I'd be far more interested in continuing his and Clem's story until some kind of conclusion. Since it concluded, and all the other decent characters are dead, it's an opportunity to move on.
  • edited June 2013
    You can have too much of a good thing and they got the Clem story perfect. I'd hate to see it dragged out until it becomes boring, be much better to tackle something fresh, especially since it's 100% certain you will be playing another character since Lee is dead.

    If Lee was alive I'd be far more interested in continuing his and Clem's story until some kind of conclusion. Since it concluded, and all the other decent characters are dead, it's an opportunity to move on.

    This.
  • edited June 2013
    Well Clementine is a popular character and many people would be upset if she never comes back and never gets mentioned .
    Just because Lee died that doesn't mean Clementine's story is finished because we have to see if our decisions affected her and what kind of person will she become like is she is going to end up as a nice person who saves people or a monster who kills people and steals their food and supplies ?
    And who knows maybe in 400 days if she is going to appear , her fate will be resolved along with Omid , Christa , Kenny , Lilly , the cancer patients and Vernon and possibly Molly and then in season 2 we are going to start fresh with new characters .
  • edited June 2013
    Well Clementine is a popular character and many people would be upset if she never comes back and never gets mentioned .
    Just because Lee died that doesn't mean Clementine's story is finished because we have to see if our decisions affected her and what kind of person will she become like is she is going to end up as a nice person who saves people or a monster who kills people and steals their food and supplies ?
    And who knows maybe in 400 days if she is going to appear , her fate will be resolved along with Omid , Christa , Kenny , Lilly , the cancer patients and Vernon and possibly Molly and then in season 2 we are going to start fresh with new characters .

    It would be great to see some of these characters again, I really hope we do.

    The issue with The Walking Dead as a franchise is that the only real resolution to someone's story is their death. As it stands now Clem made it out of an infested city thanks to everything Lee taught her, and she made it to a far quieter place with a much higher likelihood of finding food and a lot less danger. Leaving her there is the best resolution we could possibly hope for.

    There's a 99% chance she's dead within a couple of months, but there's a shot she finds some good people and lives a long happy life somewhere.
  • edited June 2013
    It would be great to see some of these characters again, I really hope we do.

    The issue with The Walking Dead as a franchise is that the only real resolution to someone's story is their death. As it stands now Clem made it out of an infested city thanks to everything Lee taught her, and she made it to a far quieter place with a much higher likelihood of finding food and a lot less danger. Leaving her there is the best resolution we could possibly hope for.

    There's a 99% chance she's dead within a couple of months, but there's a shot she finds some good people and lives a long happy life somewhere.

    I would have been happy with leaving her story as-is without the epilogue. That extra scene just adds too much to abandon the characters and jump to new ones, the fade to black after the final scene with Lee should have been the end if they didn't want to continue.

    Besides, one of the major complaints about the game was that your choices didn't impact anything. If Telltale throws everything in Season 1 in the trash and starts anew, that certainly won't help their image, though i suppose they don't need to care in that regard.

    Personally I'm getting sick of the "YOU decide what happens!" endings in media, but i doubt they're going anywhere soon.
  • edited June 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    This is getting off-topic. What I'm talking about is having a new group for Season 2 of the game. I feel like the Lee/Clem arc is done and dusted.

    Anyone else feel this way?

    Ps. Gary Whitta, Sean Vanaman and the Telltale Team has beaten Robert Kirkman at his own game, in my opinion...
    Yes but it is The Walking Dead based on kirman. If they do not stick by the principles of the comic including this its not really 'The Walking Dead' Its 'Telltale Game presents Zombie Drama'. No matter how better written this was starting a fresh is the easy option, a cop out from the Walking Dead. You continue long into the ZA. Thats the point that you go deep into the apocalypse. Kirkman stuck with Rick Grimes for currently 3ish years into the ZA and its still popular. Even though he regrets slicing Ricks hand off he stuck with him.
  • edited June 2013
    Yes but it is The Walking Dead based on kirman. If they do not stick by the principles of the comic including this its not really 'The Walking Dead' Its 'Telltale Game presents Zombie Drama'. No matter how better written this was starting a fresh is the easy option, a cop out from the Walking Dead. You continue long into the ZA. Thats the point that you go deep into the apocalypse. Kirkman stuck with Rick Grimes for currently 3ish years into the ZA and its still popular. Even though he regrets slicing Ricks hand off he stuck with him.

    Yes, The Walking Dead COMIC is meant to be a continuing story of survival horror. Not the GAME, though - as long as they stick to Kirkman's zombie rules Telltale are free to do whatever they want if it doesn't affect Rick and his group.

    I think that Telltale should keep telling fresh stories each season in order to not end up as stagnant as the Comic is now with its recycled plotlines.

    And by the way, Kirkman said that Rick's story will end with his death. I guess the same "principles" should apply to Lee then, huh?
  • edited July 2013
    We played Lee but Clementine seemed equally the central character of the game. The comic has been popular for a long time because they continued a story, it would not be as good if they stopped after Atlanta. It has continued for a while and slowed up but the game has more time and more plot lines it can enter.
  • edited July 2013
    I just want Tavia to pick up Clementine, Christa, Omid and maaayyybe Lilly.
  • edited July 2013
    We played Lee but Clementine seemed equally the central character of the game. The comic has been popular for a long time because they continued a story, it would not be as good if they stopped after Atlanta. It has continued for a while and slowed up but the game has more time and more plot lines it can enter.

    Just because the comic has always followed Rick doesn't mean a single-character focus is a defining component of the series. The very fact that Rick doesn't show up at all in the game proves that it isn't. The Walking Dead isn't about Rick. It's also not really about Lee or Clementine either. It's about how people survive and those people can be anyone.

    I love Clementine as much as the next player, but I agree that it would be a shame to sully the perfect ending of Season 1 by giving us another story about her. I don't want Lee's death to end up being one chapter in the Tale of Clementine. I want Lee's death to be the end of a great standalone story.
  • edited July 2013
    Nah, would be a shame just to waste Clementines character. There is more that you can do with her character, I do not see how it would ruin season 1 ending in any way.
  • edited July 2013
    IT'S OVER!!! *ahem* I SAID, IT'S OVER!!!

    In any case, we might see Clementine, but the Lee side of her life is pretty much done as a major plotline even she comes back.
  • edited July 2013
    Nope I live in ga so I lie it that way
  • edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    This is getting off-topic. What I'm talking about is having a new group for Season 2 of the game. I feel like the Lee/Clem arc is done and dusted.

    Anyone else feel this way?

    Ps. Gary Whitta, Sean Vanaman and the Telltale Team has beaten Robert Kirkman at his own game, in my opinion...

    Even if you started anew, you'd still have loose ends to tie up like "what happened to clementine?" or "what happened to Omid and Christa?" or "did Kenny really make it?" Also, you have to consider the 400 days bridge between season 1 and season 2. So it would be really hard to start off with new characters without completely disregarding the survivors of season 1 AND the survivors from 400 days. Even if you did start over, you'd still have those nagging questions about what happened to those survivors. Finally, jumping around to different locations could be confusing and annoying to some; I know I'd be annoyed by the constant switching of the setting.
  • edited July 2013
    TWD has been and should be played out like a book. Lee wasn't the main in Season 1 Clem was..... It's a book about a young girl, what she has seen and done to survive.... the people she known and lost in a ZA. Maybe growing into a true lead role say season 5 or so. I know and not have the story jump to new people or place... have Clem and her new group move cause I want to see it all.....maybe Vince and her team up in season 2
  • edited July 2013
    Lee will probably only be referenced to, if anything. If you mean removing Omid/Christa/Clementine from the story with no explanation, then that would be bad storytelling.
  • edited July 2013
    Komanuma wrote: »
    Lee will probably only be referenced to, if anything. If you mean removing Omid/Christa/Clementine from the story with no explanation, then that would be bad storytelling.

    Yes that's what I'm saying Omid/Christa/Clem reunite then meet up with someone or a couple of people from 400 days as they move through a ZA looking for a safe place
  • edited July 2013
    That's not too bad then. I'm really hoping that whatever Lee said while the three were attempting to cross the sign (and failed) didn't have too much of an adverse affect on whether Omid/Christa are alive. :(

    Then again, all three sounded like a death sentence.
  • edited July 2013
    Just because the comic has always followed Rick doesn't mean a single-character focus is a defining component of the series. The very fact that Rick doesn't show up at all in the game proves that it isn't. The Walking Dead isn't about Rick. It's also not really about Lee or Clementine either. It's about how people survive and those people can be anyone.

    I love Clementine as much as the next player, but I agree that it would be a shame to sully the perfect ending of Season 1 by giving us another story about her. I don't want Lee's death to end up being one chapter in the Tale of Clementine. I want Lee's death to be the end of a great standalone story.
    I did not say its all about one but each varient has a main central character. So if this were to play out like the comic which quite blatantly surroundinf Rick Grimes then should the comic follow suit which it should. The game should have one, the only option is Clem.
    Comic: Rick
    TV: Rick
    Game: Clementine?
  • edited July 2013
    I do.
  • edited July 2013
    Even if you started anew, you'd still have loose ends to tie up like "what happened to clementine?" or "what happened to Omid and Christa?" or "did Kenny really make it?" Also, you have to consider the 400 days bridge between season 1 and season 2. So it would be really hard to start off with new characters without completely disregarding the survivors of season 1 AND the survivors from 400 days. Even if you did start over, you'd still have those nagging questions about what happened to those survivors. Finally, jumping around to different locations could be confusing and annoying to some; I know I'd be annoyed by the constant switching of the setting.

    Without the after-credits scene, it is safe to assume that Clementine met up with Omid & Christa at the rendezvous point you chose and began travelling to wherever you thought was a safer place.

    Gavin Hammon (Kenny's Voice Actor) said that he originally recorded screams of pain for the Christa/Ben Rescue Scene but Telltale cut them out - either to spare Kenny's fans or because they didn't know whether to kill him off or not. It is safe to assume that Kenny is dead - for now...

    400 Days - a bridge? Who knows? Maybe its cast could be a new group entirely. Maybe Season 2 will show this group together before they split with Tavia at the end of 400 Days...

    I'm not saying "Disregard all past characters!" - I'm just saying tell more stories from different perspectives with new people...

    Some questions are better left unanswered...

    I'm not talking about constantly "jumping" from location-to-location - I'm talking about telling stories in states other than Georgia. Like Florida or California where your beloved characters are from.
    If you can't handle new places in fiction, then you need to get out more in real life...

    I seem to have struck a nerve...
  • edited July 2013
    I want to know that Clem is going to be okay but they dont have to focus season 2 on her. Id like to see her again just to make sure she made it to Omid and Christa.
  • edited July 2013
    I think you're getting your story arcs mixed up. The Lee/Clem plot was basically resolved with Lee's death. The rest of us want to see what happens to Clementine. Hence, the title "Season 2".
  • edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    I hear you. I don't think that an American studio could capture our vibe or culture, though - maybe its best if they just stick with what they know...

    There's a few reasons for this. We Americans love;

    1. Our guns.
    2. Zombies.

    Guns and zombies go great together, plus the modern zombie has kind of been integrated into our culture thanks to the social commentary on our history. Also, you guys should play ZombiU and watch Shaun of the Dead for a zombie story taking place in the UK.

    Shaun of the Dead is just a great comedy with heart, while ZombiU is one of the few actual survival horrors featuring zombies to come out in a longtime.
    The Law wrote: »
    It would not appeal to Americans.

    Now that's just straight up bull, considering we're pretty multicultural due to our history, or at the very least used to seeing different races and cultures clash everyday. Yeah, there are some crazy bible thumping weirdos out here, but there are a few normal folk here who aren't represented well in media, or politics for that matter, who like to visit and or learn of other cultures. I mean check this out....

    私は桃が好きです。

    Ok, it's a pretty simple sentence, and I'm still learning, but man do I love some peaches.
  • edited July 2013
    All I want to say is, I agree that the Lee/Clem arc is over. However, I must know if Clem found Omid and Christa, or some other good people. The ending left Clem alone and that really hurt.
  • edited July 2013
    I wouldn't object to a change of scenery, since the game, and a great portion of the comic, revolved around Georgia. I mean, seriously, did only people from Georgia survive? Let's move the setting further west, and maybe a bit north... like Iowa...

    Although, seeing as how there are still some major things from Season 1 that didn't get answered, I'm content with staying down south until those things get cleared up.
  • OzzyUKOzzyUK Moderator
    edited July 2013
    On the 400 Days episode of Playing Dead they said Season 2 will continue from the story from Season 1 http://youtu.be/5dA3kD7TLk8?t=1m48s
    So i think its safe to assume that Clementine will be in Season 2
  • edited July 2013
    We kind of guessed that, good to know it does not pick up were 400 Day's ends, because a year is to much time pass.
  • edited July 2013
    Blah Blah Blah.

    We Americans love our guns...

    We British like guns, too - we just have a licensing system...
    You can have Rifes, Shotguns, and Rimfire Carbines in the UK*. You can conceal-carry Handguns in NI.
    We just don't piss away bullets on Water Bottles and Beer Cans - We hunt instead...

    You guys should play ZombiU and watch Shaun of the Dead...

    I'm not gonna piss away money on a Kiddie WiiU.
    I've seen Shaun of the Dead - It was alright...

    Not going to appeal to Americans? - Bull!

    Your nation stereotypes us as Aristocrats and Thugs - both toothless...
    Could you handle what we're really like?
    Maybe it would appeal to some - but America exports more media than it imports. Let's see how the Moral Guardians / God-Squad react to hearing words like Cunt a lot - you guys banned a version of Little Red Riding Hood** for having wine in it and censor Breaking Bad for Christ's sake...

    *http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Barratt_Rifle_98-B_For-Sale_130709163053002
    http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/i/links/12632160322689.jpg

    **http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900519&slug=1072598
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