...yeah, that's pretty much my opinion of the comic book in a nutshell. But to be fair, if Telltale puts in a sequence where Clem gets raped no matter what you do beforehand, I'll demand a full refund. Call me a wimp all you like, I just don't play video games to see that kind of thing.
Its not like I want it to happen, Lol.
But we all know that kind of disgusting shit would go on in a state of societal collapse.
It even happens now.
I understand what you are saying, I would be a wimp in that situation, and name a video game that does that kind of thing, not ones made from the ground up to be about that, that is cheating.
i hate it when movies end with a stupid ambigous miles wide open endings sometimes i find the ending matches the budget used..
of course the big blockbusters aren't as bad because they mostly tie stuff up but leave a few threads open for sequels but since i watch alsorts of movies or varying degrees of quality and cheapest made films usuually have the worst kind of ending for me which is the people go through allsorts of stuff but ends with the story being more or less the same as the start's..
I don't know if rape could even be covered in a game at the moment. The world's not ready. Tomb Raider (2013) came pretty damn close, and there was huge controversy about it, leading to the devs claiming that "they never intended to imply rape", when that's clearly their intent.
Of course, we had Danny in 400 Days. I would never want to actually physically see that though. Ever. It's just one of the things I never want to see.
1 Same here. Telltale is great at what they do. I trust them 100% to keep giving us quality story lines and a quality game. So long as it sticks to the universe of The Walking Dead. I am adamant on that.
2 Exactly. I won't mind at all new faces every season. And it will be like special treats to see past group members. It will surely be a nice change from what we already get with the other platforms. So long as only the game has these changes.
3 Absolutely. The story was pretty good. My only complaint.. It jumped around too much. I liked the combat system ok. FF8s combat was a lot more fun though like you know smash the trigger just before Squall attacks for special move. I miss that. But 7 and 8 trump all others for me.
As long as they keep the dark tone that they have going, and the focus on strong character arcs, it'll feel like The Walking Dead. Telltale would be foolish to scrap either one.
Agreed. The TV series/comics are Rick's story, and he's the constant there, but the game allows us to jump around this universe, and explore wildly different protagonists at different points in the timeline.
It's difficult for me to compare the earlier PS1 titles with the modern entries. They're just so different, not only visually, but the way they play is shaped by games of that time too.
So I enjoy both eras of FF, just for different reasons. FF13-2 jumped around a ton, while FF13 proper had a much more coherent story. For that, it sacrificed open-world gameplay for a much more linear affair though, and many didn't like that.
7, 8 and 9 kick ass though. Fantastic RPGs.
EDIT: Props to Milosuperspesh for teaching me how to use forums.
To those saying almost all ZA movies are set in America, you are not looking hard enough. My father owns well over 300 Zombie movies. over 25% of them were set in other countries. Germany, Pakistan, Africa ,UK, Russia, Bolivia, Hong Kong, Japan, China, Australia, Canada.
There's actually a wonderful trilogy of books by Z. A. Recht called the "Morningstar Strain". The first book, "Plague of the Dead" shows that the pandemic started in Africa, so in the first book a lot of the fighting happens there. The other books take place in the USA, but I still recommend them highly.
I don't know if rape could even be covered in a game at the moment. The world's not ready. Tomb Raider (2013) came pretty damn close, and there was huge controversy about it, leading to the devs claiming that "they never intended to imply rape", when that's clearly their intent.
There was also
David
in The Last of Us who was implied to be a hemophile, and he proved to be a great villain.
Its not like I want it to happen, Lol.
But we all know that kind of disgusting shit would go on in a state of societal collapse.
It even happens now.
Sure, but putting rape in a zombie movie just seems tasteless as hell. As apocalyptic as George Romero's "Dead" films got, they never crossed that line (although DAY OF THE DEAD came close, with more than a few hints of the heroine possibly being assaulted by a group of U.S. military soldiers who have degenerated into a pack of animals). It introduces an ugly, sordid, real-life element into an otherwise fantastic/ridiculous story, and that would be a huge mistake, no matter how serious or straight-faced the tone is.
I don't know if rape could even be covered in a game at the moment. The world's not ready. Tomb Raider (2013) came pretty damn close, and there was huge controversy about it, leading to the devs claiming that "they never intended to imply rape", when that's clearly their intent.
Actually their intent was for that guy to be a psychopath, and he straight up kills Lara if you don't do anything about it. He was enjoying himself, yeah but not in the way you imagined from the trailer as it's later revealed that guy, and his brothers had a blood lust due to the extreme nature of their cult.
I guess they could have...you know, afterward.... that's... let's just not talk about that. Not really much of a difference, and also, most females if I remembered correctly, were not to be deflowered because of the ritual. I'll have to replay it, but I remember the crazy leader mentioning that in one of his notes or memos.
I mean the game was shocking and violent enough towards women anyway. The men do make some very nasty remarks to Lara later on too, that do imply a certain rapey nature. One of conversations is one of the lackeys saying how he'd turn Lara into his personal slave, and the way it was worded was pretty...yeah....
Honestly, I don't think rape really does much for a story, unless it's handled a certain way, and I'd hate to have seen Lara Croft be done the same way a lot of comic book writers handle women. I don't want every female character's origin be "I was raped."
Yes it would be very lame, and something the Walking Dead does not need, Telltale will not screw up and do the same thing that Tomb Raider and Mass Effect 3 did before, which is good.
Sure, but putting rape in a zombie movie just seems tasteless as hell. As apocalyptic as George Romero's "Dead" films got, they never crossed that line (although DAY OF THE DEAD came close, with more than a few hints of the heroine possibly being assaulted by a group of U.S. military soldiers who have degenerated into a pack of animals). It introduces an ugly, sordid, real-life element into an otherwise fantastic/ridiculous story, and that would be a huge mistake, no matter how serious or straight-faced the tone is.
Yes it would be very lame, and something the Walking Dead does not need, Telltale will not screw up and do the same thing that Tomb Raider and Mass Effect 3 did before, which is good.
Eh. Kirkman did it in the comics. Though this was after we met the character.
can i once again ask people to use spoiler tags for OTHER GAMES...
some people have not played every single game out there and don't want spoilers from others games companies....the only place you should be spoiling another game is in a specific thread about that game....
can i once again ask people to use spoiler tags for OTHER GAMES...
The Tomb Raider scene happens in the first 30 minutes, and was one of the first scenes advertised in trailers. If I was talking about anything further on, I'd have spoiler-tagged it.
Yes it would be very lame, and something the Walking Dead does not need, Telltale will not screw up and do the same thing that Tomb Raider and Mass Effect 3 did before, which is good.
I'm aware of the problem with Mass Effect 3 - though I honestly loved the game. The ending didn't ruin the other 99% of awesome.
What was wrong with Tomb Raider? I've seen nothing but praise for the game since it's release.
Yes, The Walking Dead COMIC is meant to be a continuing story of survival horror. Not the GAME, though - as long as they stick to Kirkman's zombie rules Telltale are free to do whatever they want if it doesn't affect Rick and his group.
I think that Telltale should keep telling fresh stories each season in order to not end up as stagnant as the Comic is now with its recycled plotlines.
And by the way, Kirkman said that Rick's story will end with his death. I guess the same "principles" should apply to Lee then, huh?
Why would that happen though? "The Walking Dead" uses the same story telling elements in the tv show as the comic, and as far as season 1 goes, the game as well. Continuing character's is a big part of both the show and the comic, so I don't understand why that would be the one element that is left out of the game.
I doubt that will be the case though, because, as evident by the epilogue (which is very similar in style to the tv show's season finales), the game is looking to follow the other versions' story telling models.
I do agree with your last line, and that seems to be standard with character's in this series (their time isn't up until they die or are separated, in some way, from the larger group -- either way, there's always closure... chuck is a good example of this, in the video game), but why wouldn't that be the case with Clementine... she's practically become the Anchor of the narrative (even Lee's actions were driven by her), so why doesn't that apply directly to her?
More importantly though, this game is designed for mass consumption. The walking dead is now a franchise, and given the success of the other two mediums, it wouldn't make sense for telltale to just up and change the "formula" that has worked so well in the past.
The success of the other two is largely due to the "What's next" factor and the emotional investment in the characters... telltale did a phenomenal job of setting those things up in season 1, and it would strike me as strange if they didn't follow up on that... not to mention, that the majority of fans want to see clementine back to some capacity.
And I don't think this would be stale at all... much like the other two mediums, they'd need to introduce new characters, change the location, and keep us on the edge of our seats about the deaths (meaning that anyone returning from season 1 could die quickly into season 2)... but I trust that the writers know what they're doing.
The reason that the game is different to the TV series/comics is that it's much more deadly. Before this, I thought that storyline killed off characters quickly, but the game takes the cake, killing off almost every main character.
Out of about 15 main characters that appeared, only 4 survived (Clem, Lilly, Christa, Omid).
It's difficult for Season 2 to follow the characters of Season 1 simply because most of them aren't available for use now.
Yet another reason why I quit on the comic book a long time ago. I'm just not interested in buying a story that only gets more and more miserable with each new chapter.
Trust me, good choice there, it really did get just worse as time went on, and to answer the question above I do not hate the ending of Mass Effect 3, shoot me it just did not bother me, maybe since I got in in February of 2013 so I got a solid year of hating and hating so I expected the worst, maybe I thought it would be worse when I got it, it also helps that I had the extended cut. For Tomb Raider I know it was a great game, just the way they markets it and how people reacted was the dumb part.
Yet another reason why I quit on the comic book a long time ago. I'm just not interested in buying a story that only gets more and more miserable with each new chapter.
Actually, compared to the things that come after, this is probably the darkest part in the comics so far.
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Its not like I want it to happen, Lol.
But we all know that kind of disgusting shit would go on in a state of societal collapse.
It even happens now.
of course the big blockbusters aren't as bad because they mostly tie stuff up but leave a few threads open for sequels but since i watch alsorts of movies or varying degrees of quality and cheapest made films usuually have the worst kind of ending for me which is the people go through allsorts of stuff but ends with the story being more or less the same as the start's..
but it's probably just a sign of my old age...
Of course, we had Danny in 400 Days. I would never want to actually physically see that though. Ever. It's just one of the things I never want to see.
As long as they keep the dark tone that they have going, and the focus on strong character arcs, it'll feel like The Walking Dead. Telltale would be foolish to scrap either one.
Agreed. The TV series/comics are Rick's story, and he's the constant there, but the game allows us to jump around this universe, and explore wildly different protagonists at different points in the timeline.
It's difficult for me to compare the earlier PS1 titles with the modern entries. They're just so different, not only visually, but the way they play is shaped by games of that time too.
So I enjoy both eras of FF, just for different reasons. FF13-2 jumped around a ton, while FF13 proper had a much more coherent story. For that, it sacrificed open-world gameplay for a much more linear affair though, and many didn't like that.
7, 8 and 9 kick ass though. Fantastic RPGs.
EDIT: Props to Milosuperspesh for teaching me how to use forums.
well use the edit tab on your posts and then combine the two and delete one of them, once you've done that ? :rolleyes:
There's actually a wonderful trilogy of books by Z. A. Recht called the "Morningstar Strain". The first book, "Plague of the Dead" shows that the pandemic started in Africa, so in the first book a lot of the fighting happens there. The other books take place in the USA, but I still recommend them highly.
There was also
Couldn't believe that was Nolan North. I always recognise his voice in games, yet had no inclination that was him voicing David until the credits.
Sure, but putting rape in a zombie movie just seems tasteless as hell. As apocalyptic as George Romero's "Dead" films got, they never crossed that line (although DAY OF THE DEAD came close, with more than a few hints of the heroine possibly being assaulted by a group of U.S. military soldiers who have degenerated into a pack of animals). It introduces an ugly, sordid, real-life element into an otherwise fantastic/ridiculous story, and that would be a huge mistake, no matter how serious or straight-faced the tone is.
Actually their intent was for that guy to be a psychopath, and he straight up kills Lara if you don't do anything about it. He was enjoying himself, yeah but not in the way you imagined from the trailer as it's later revealed that guy, and his brothers had a blood lust due to the extreme nature of their cult.
I guess they could have...you know, afterward.... that's... let's just not talk about that. Not really much of a difference, and also, most females if I remembered correctly, were not to be deflowered because of the ritual. I'll have to replay it, but I remember the crazy leader mentioning that in one of his notes or memos.
I mean the game was shocking and violent enough towards women anyway. The men do make some very nasty remarks to Lara later on too, that do imply a certain rapey nature. One of conversations is one of the lackeys saying how he'd turn Lara into his personal slave, and the way it was worded was pretty...yeah....
Honestly, I don't think rape really does much for a story, unless it's handled a certain way, and I'd hate to have seen Lara Croft be done the same way a lot of comic book writers handle women. I don't want every female character's origin be "I was raped."
Lame, really.
28 Days Later came close to (Gang) Rape, as well.
Eh. Kirkman did it in the comics. Though this was after we met the character.
I love how derailed this thread keeps getting...
some people have not played every single game out there and don't want spoilers from others games companies....the only place you should be spoiling another game is in a specific thread about that game....
I'm aware of the problem with Mass Effect 3 - though I honestly loved the game. The ending didn't ruin the other 99% of awesome.
What was wrong with Tomb Raider? I've seen nothing but praise for the game since it's release.
Why would that happen though? "The Walking Dead" uses the same story telling elements in the tv show as the comic, and as far as season 1 goes, the game as well. Continuing character's is a big part of both the show and the comic, so I don't understand why that would be the one element that is left out of the game.
I doubt that will be the case though, because, as evident by the epilogue (which is very similar in style to the tv show's season finales), the game is looking to follow the other versions' story telling models.
I do agree with your last line, and that seems to be standard with character's in this series (their time isn't up until they die or are separated, in some way, from the larger group -- either way, there's always closure... chuck is a good example of this, in the video game), but why wouldn't that be the case with Clementine... she's practically become the Anchor of the narrative (even Lee's actions were driven by her), so why doesn't that apply directly to her?
More importantly though, this game is designed for mass consumption. The walking dead is now a franchise, and given the success of the other two mediums, it wouldn't make sense for telltale to just up and change the "formula" that has worked so well in the past.
The success of the other two is largely due to the "What's next" factor and the emotional investment in the characters... telltale did a phenomenal job of setting those things up in season 1, and it would strike me as strange if they didn't follow up on that... not to mention, that the majority of fans want to see clementine back to some capacity.
And I don't think this would be stale at all... much like the other two mediums, they'd need to introduce new characters, change the location, and keep us on the edge of our seats about the deaths (meaning that anyone returning from season 1 could die quickly into season 2)... but I trust that the writers know what they're doing.
Out of about 15 main characters that appeared, only 4 survived (Clem, Lilly, Christa, Omid).
It's difficult for Season 2 to follow the characters of Season 1 simply because most of them aren't available for use now.
Yet another reason why I quit on the comic book a long time ago. I'm just not interested in buying a story that only gets more and more miserable with each new chapter.
Yup.
Actually, compared to the things that come after, this is probably the darkest part in the comics so far.