Since Lilly TT is no longer the same Lilly in the comic books, would she return?

edited July 2013 in The Walking Dead
Would Lilly see a return to the game? I don't recall, but is her last name mentioned in the game? If not, what would her last name be, and do the 2 Lillys' dads have the same first names?
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    We can only hope.
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    I still believe they are the same person
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    I still believe they are the same person

    I think it was confirmed by TT that they are now separate characters
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    doom saber wrote: »
    I think it was confirmed by TT that they are now separate characters

    :( I don't want to believe it :(

    But I know it's true
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    i don't get it – why they've separated 'em?
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    Mafon2 wrote: »
    i don't get it – why they've separated 'em?

    Because Kirkman made a book about Lilly's backstory called "Road to Woodbury." it contradicts the game
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    doom saber wrote: »
    Would Lilly see a return to the game? I don't recall, but is her last name mentioned in the game? If not, what would her last name be, and do the 2 Lillys' dads have the same first names?

    It never mentions Lilly and Larry's last name in the game. Only in the novel was she ever referred to as Lilly Caul. Lilly's dad's name in the novel is named Everett.

    So because her last name wasn't mentioned in the game, I can buy the two characters being different Lillys. Lilly is only in the comics for just a few panels, anyway. It would have been a lot worse if they had contradicted Glenn or Hershel.

    Because it's been confirmed they are separate people, I think an appearance in season 2 is entirely possible.
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    It never mentions Lilly and Larry's last name in the game. Only in the novel was she ever referred to as Lilly Caul. Lilly's dad's name in the novel is named Everett.

    So because her last name wasn't mentioned in the game, I can buy the two characters being different Lillys. Lilly is only in the comics for just a few panels, anyway. It would have been a lot worse if they had contradicted Glenn or Hershel.

    Because it's been confirmed they are separate people, I think an appearance in season 2 is entirely possible.

    That is good since it makes Lilly Caul and Lilly in the game two separate characters without any in game retcons other than the minor achievement.
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    I still believe they are the same person

    They were
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    It never mentions Lilly and Larry's last name in the game. Only in the novel was she ever referred to as Lilly Caul. Lilly's dad's name in the novel is named Everett.

    So because her last name wasn't mentioned in the game, I can buy the two characters being different Lillys. Lilly is only in the comics for just a few panels, anyway. It would have been a lot worse if they had contradicted Glenn or Hershel.

    Because it's been confirmed they are separate people, I think an appearance in season 2 is entirely possible.

    I can be mistaken, but didn't they retconned Glenn's hometown from Michigan to somewhere in Georga? I thought in the TT episode 1, he stated that he was raised in around there. I could be wrong.
  • edited July 2013
    I hope she possibly could return
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    doom saber wrote: »
    I can be mistaken, but didn't they retconned Glenn's hometown from Michigan to somewhere in Georga? I thought in the TT episode 1, he stated that he was raised in around there. I could be wrong.

    Glenn did say in the game he was raised in that area in Georgia, but I can't remember if he ever said he was from Michigan in the comics. I know he said he was from Michigan on the show. The show also changed Rick's hometown. So if Glenn never said he was from Michigan in the comics, then the continuity is still intact (unless he did mention that and I just can't remember it).
  • edited July 2013
    If Lilly comes back it will be as one of the survivors in Tavia's community - she could be that character who is far from the others with no reason even tho the player know what happend.
    Clem will propably be there to.
    even if Lee never side with lilly she is looking after clem - but i dont think she will come back as the new caretaker,unless the DLC would follow her insted
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    I hope she returns, so I can instantly select the option to kill her at the first convenience. She screwed up the groups saftey and endangered clementine, reason enough for me.
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    stevean2 wrote: »
    I hope she returns, so I can instantly select the option to kill her at the first convenience. She screwed up the groups saftey and endangered clementine, reason enough for me.
    Did she? I think it was Ben who put her in danger, and not only her - the rest of group as well. In fact, Lee, her supposed caretaker, does that more often.
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    Lingvort wrote: »
    Did she? I think it was Ben who put her in danger, and not only her - the rest of group as well. In fact, Lee, her supposed caretaker, does that more often.

    anything that happens to Clemintine beyond that is due to general group stupidity or walkers. Lilly had no reason to shoot Ben except blind superstition, plus it isnt a reason to kill anyone just cause she lost her papa. She had no right.
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    stevean2 wrote: »
    anything that happens to Clemintine beyond that is due to general group stupidity or walkers. Lilly had no reason to shoot Ben except blind superstition, plus it isnt a reason to kill anyone just cause she lost her papa. She had no right.
    Try to regain control of your emotions when the only person you cared about deeply is dead. More so, killed, to stop him from reanimating (it was never really confirmed that Larry was dead). Being put in such bad mental state, plus all the trouble they went afterwards actually makes her easy to snap (which she did, killing the fellow survivor). She had no right, yes, but, in her condition, do you really expect her to care?

    P.S: We are having an argument over a game. Funny.
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    Yes I know, a great game no less. Well everyone knows my views on Lilly and if you don't then I will say one thing, that bitch is going to drop like a rock the moment I see her again, and she has any common since she should stay away. Funny since I was a merciful guy the whole game, did not kill Ben did not hate on Vernon did not want to kill Campman you get the point, I guess my breaking point is having very close friends get shot in the head by someone I THOUGHT I could trust.
  • edited July 2013
    Nah, she's awesome. I wanted to leave with her in the RV.
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    How does anyone want to leave with Lilly? How does it look better then staying with Kenny and Clementine.
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    Lingvort wrote: »
    Try to regain control of your emotions when the only person you cared about deeply is dead. More so, killed, to stop him from reanimating (it was never really confirmed that Larry was dead). Being put in such bad mental state, plus all the trouble they went afterwards actually makes her easy to snap (which she did, killing the fellow survivor). She had no right, yes, but, in her condition, do you really expect her to care?

    P.S: We are having an argument over a game. Funny.

    Kenny went through more emotional trauma than Lilly did(watching his wife commit suicide and killing his own son), but he never "snapped" and killed someone unrelated to those events. If Kenny can control his emotions, Lilly has no excuse.
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    Mornai wrote: »
    Kenny went through more emotional trauma than Lilly did(watching his wife commit suicide and killing his own son), but he never "snapped" and killed someone unrelated to those events. If Kenny can control his emotions, Lilly has no excuse.
    Look 'ere, pal. I'm trying to explain her actions, not give her excuse.
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    No one can explain her actions, and I happily await her return, pistol and knife in hand.
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    No one can explain her actions, and I happily await her return, pistol and knife in hand.
    You might have a justification for it, but face it - we would be playing as a different character, not aware of all of this (hell, even Clementine is not fully aware of Lillys' actions), and there is no way of knowing whether we will meet Lilly again.
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    I know nobody we played as would know her, but I sure as hell would know and I never forget to pay my respects to the soon to be dead.
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    Lingvort wrote: »
    Look 'ere, pal. I'm trying to explain her actions, not give her excuse.

    We know why she did it, but she was still in the wrong. I wasn't trying to be rude, though.
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    Sorry, I have a deep hatred for that bitch, I am not exactly open to people on Team Lilly.
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    Mornai wrote: »
    Kenny went through more emotional trauma than Lilly did(watching his wife commit suicide and killing his own son), but he never "snapped" and killed someone unrelated to those events. If Kenny can control his emotions, Lilly has no excuse.

    I agree. Still if they write it right I'm all for Lilly coming back. I trust Telltale. :D
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    stevean2 wrote: »
    I hope she returns, so I can instantly select the option to kill her at the first convenience. She screwed up the groups saftey and endangered clementine, reason enough for me.

    Yes, but you won't be in the mind of Lee the next time you see her. There's no way that the option to kill a girl you just met will pop up in front of Russel or Vince or Bonnie or whoever!
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    Well then I guess playing as Nate does have one advantage, killing Lilly would be possible since we all know how screwed up Nate can be.
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    I agree. Still if they write it right I'm all for Lilly coming back. I trust Telltale. :D

    I concur...she was a well written character.
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    musdy wrote: »
    Nah, she's awesome. I wanted to leave with her in the RV.

    Same here man tried ever witch way I could to go with her
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    Well I'm pretty confident Lilly is still alive. I mean we did walk down the same road that, the entire event that occurred took place, I left her behind in my game, and I didnt see her corpse anywhere, and if she did die, it'd of been there, with the large amount of walkers. So If I do see her, she's as dead as a friggin dodo.
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    She is the exact opposite of Kenny, I want her back so I CAN see a body so I know she is dead, all the seven hell's can't protect her from when I find her.
  • edited July 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    I concur...she was a well written character.

    Really it all just depends on how it is written. Lilly coming back could make perfect sense... or could seem ridiculous. I have faith in Telltale though.
  • edited July 2013
    They can make coming back possible, they are good enough to the point I trust them in what ever direction they take the game.
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    It sure would be interesting to have Kenny some how survive and show up at the community and who be standing there in front of him but Clem, Christa, Omid, and Lilly. One heck of a cut scene would commence lol
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    doom saber wrote: »
    Because Kirkman made a book about Lilly's backstory called "Road to Woodbury." it contradicts the game

    Yeah, but until that "book" makes it into the actual comic book, and "on panel" I'm going to assume that story isn't 100% canon either. Robert Kirkman just seemed butthurt that he hadn't done anything with Lily, and Telltale was able to do it before him. Seriously, she was the biggest connection to the comics aside from Glen.

    Easy fix would have the book connect to the AMC series, instead of the comic, but I have a feeling Kirkman wouldn't go for it. Seriously, until either the game or comic contradict each other, it's fine to think of her as the same Lily that appears in the comic, and that was the original intent anyway.

    Otherwise, we just have a book that contradicts the game and comic, instead of the other way around. That's how I will always look at it, until Kirkman himself reintroduces Lily in the comic. Not a book, not the AMC series, and definitely not just because "he said so."
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    Yeah, but until that "book" makes it into the actual comic book, and "on panel" I'm going to assume that story isn't 100% canon either. Robert Kirkman just seemed butthurt that he hadn't done anything with Lily, and Telltale was able to do it before him. Seriously, she was the biggest connection to the comics aside from Glen.

    Easy fix would have the book connect to the AMC series, instead of the comic, but I have a feeling Kirkman wouldn't go for it. Seriously, until either the game or comic contradict each other, it's fine to think of her as the same Lily that appears in the comic, and that was the original intent anyway.

    Otherwise, we just have a book that contradicts the game and comic, instead of the other way around. That's how I will always look at it, until Kirkman himself reintroduces Lily in the comic. Not a book, not the AMC series, and definitely not just because "he said so."

    If Kirkman wrote it, it is cannon. The Walking Dead is his creation not Telltale and I am sure he wasn't really "butthurt" (I hate that term it really is just...Ya..) He had played episode one before it was even released. If he was upset about the Lily character I am sure he would have made them change it. He does after all have final say. I really don't mind one way or the other if she is comic Lily or not She was a good character and I hope to see her again. She did her job well she made the "Babyface" fans hater her and the "Heel" fans love her. Personally her killing Carley with out solid proof was the only thing I disliked that she did. I hold no malice to her at all. She did what she was created to do.
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    carodwen wrote: »
    If Kirkman wrote it, it is cannon. The Walking Dead is his creation not Telltale and I am sure he wasn't really "butthurt" (I hate that term it really is just...Ya..) He had played episode one before it was even released. If he was upset about the Lily character I am sure he would have made them change it. He does after all have final say. I really don't mind one way or the other if she is comic Lily or not She was a good character and I hope to see her again. She did her job well she made the "Babyface" fans hater her and the "Heel" fans love her. Personally her killing Carley with out solid proof was the only thing I disliked that she did. I hold no malice to her at all. She did what she was created to do.

    It's canon, not cannon, and of course Robert Kirkman has final say, but he's really missing/missed an opportunity here.

    Butthurt wasn't exactly the term I was looking for, but it was the closest description I could come up with. It just doesn't seem very coincidental to have "Lee" as a character in a book about Lilly, and also release it around the time Lilly was getting known better as a character because of Telltale's TWD. It's kind of a George Lucas thing to do, really.

    Like I said, though. Until the comic or game contradicts one another, it's still canon as far as I'm concerned. I mean Kirkman helped write some of the show too (the reason why it could be an easy fix if he attached it to AMC's version), but that doesn't make it canon to the comics or Telltale's The Walking Dead, after all, so the point is moot.
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