And others think his fate is best left ambiguous.
I almost expect Telltale to bring his corpse back à la Carley/Doug style just to keep people from going on about it.
Telltale isn't likely to repeat something like that, at least with another major character from S1. If they really wanted to slam the door on Kenny for good, they'd have him cameo as a walker in S2. But the fact Telltale went out of their way to leave Kenny's final moments on an uncertain note implies they could have other plans for him.
The villain of S1 ? Did he kidnap Clem ? Did he put the walker near the trash cans so than Lee can get bit ? Was he the mastermind behind the St Johns , the bandits , Crawford and Campman ?
Why did Clem run off in the first place? Because she was angry that they didn't have time to look for her parents. Why didn't they have time to look for her parents even when you tell Clem that is what you will do when you get to Savannah? Because Lee ended up spending the whole time looking for a boat which was Kenny's plan and main focus. Before Crawford came into the picture they were looking for a boat, not Chuck who got lost after saving Clem, but a boat. It's no wonder Clem got pissed and went on her own to the Marsh House. When Omid got messed up Kenny was like fuck him, the boat is the main priority Lee got bitten because he lost concentration in his panicked state because Clem was missing. Clem was missing because they spent the whole time looking for Kenny's boat (Kenny's plan for escape) and spent no time looking for her parents even if you tell her that is what you will do.
Kenny didn't kidnap Clem but if you think about it he is the main reason the kidnapper exists. If you play the game again without making decisions or you side with Clem you will see Kenny's default point of view on things. You will see that Kenny and his family were the only people out of the whole group that wanted to take the supplies. Even Lilly who most people accuse of being a heartless evil bitch said it would be wrong to take the supplies because the group would look like monsters to the owner of the supplies if they returned. Ben said the people might come back as well (even dumbass Ben), Clementine said they might come back. If you appease Clementine and refuse to take the stuff from the car Kenny will straight out say that he's taking the stuff anyway with or without Lee's approval. Even the kidnapper speaks more hatefully about Kenny and his "bitch wife" since Clem obviously told him that Kenny and Kat were the main people pushing for the group to steal his shit. I wouldn't say Kenny is a villain but he can definitely be a considered an antagonist in season 1. Think about his actions and choices. If you attempt to help Lilly in the meat locker he will set you up and leave you to die at the hands of Danny, He will leave you to die in ep3 when you are attacked in the drug store, (Kind of how Shane becomes an antagonist in the show and comic) If you fight him on the train he comes at you with all he's got, wants to fight you again in ep4, refuses to help you find Clementine until you persuade him, wants to kill you before you have even turned in the attic Oh yeah, and he is the main reason the guy on the radio pursued the group and kidnapped Clementine in the first place, if the person playing agreed with Clem and left the cars contents alone.(which most would have done in their first playthrough)
As for the ST John bandits, when Lilly realised that something wasn't right she wanted to go back to the motor inn(she wanted to take the food to go) and Kenny wanted to stay at the dairy and said that the group should take it over if they had to, meaning kill the ST John family and move in to the dairy, even before he knew they were cannibals. Again even Ben said he didn't trust the brothers at the end of the episode. Kenny wanted to stay, at no time did his intuition tell they should leave. It was the case of something's wrong with these guys Lee, investigate and put your self at risk while I take my wife and son to dine with the people we have suspicions about.
If the group din't take the stuff from the car than the group would of died from starvation . Besides , that idiot of Campman brought it upon himself by leaving his car in the middle of the freaking forest . The group couldn't leave because they wanted to see if Mark was ok and i doubt the St Johns would let them go free , and if Lee and Kenny weren't suspicious then the St Johns would of killed them all with their guard down .
While Kenny is a good man at heart and does try to redeem himself at the end, he was always involved in the situations that destroyed the group, even if he meant good.
I'll admit, I was one of those who sided with Kenny here because as you said it just made sense, but the way they handled it was poor. Kenny (or Kenny and Lee) did not need to do it right while Lilly is still trying to save him. He wasn't going to turn the second he died, they should have been more respectful for Lilly and Larry and given her the time until he passed away, then do what they have to do. Larry was still alive when Kenny smashed his head, definitely would not survive his heart attack but atleast wait till he dies to do it.
I see your point, but considering how Larry wasn't breathing and his heart stopped, it was pretty much impossible to tell if he was still alive or not. David (Ben's band teacher from the beginning of the episode) turned very quickly after his death, so leaving Larry to lie there, not knowing if he was dead or not, would be a huge risk. I felt bad for Lilly when I helped Kenny smash Larry's head in and wished I could've given her some time, but there wasn't any time to waste - leaving him to lie there would just be too much of a risk.
Kenny is definitely one of the most flawed characters from the game - and that's why I like him so much! He feels like a real person, and while I can understand why someone would hate him, I liked him a lot and agreed with him most of the times.
Blaming him for Shawn's death... I understand why you would blame him for that, I did too at first, but it was a very stressful situation with Duck being attacked by walkers and all. He panicked like anyone in a situation like that would, and considering the amount of guilt he felt over his actions (to the point he thought it was his fault Duck got bit because he didn't help save Shawn) I found it hard to keep blaming him for Shawn's death.
Blaming him for Carley's death, however - if Kenny hadn't smashed Larry's head in, EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WOULD BE DEAD. The purpose of CPR is to buy the heart time until advanced help (defibrillation) is available. IT CAN'T RESTART A HEART WITHOUT ADVANCED MEDICAL HELP. There is no way CPR would have saved Larry - it could have bought him a couple minutes of time to receive defibrillation (which was not available), but wouldn't have restarted his heart. In other words, if Kenny hadn't smashed his head in, Larry would have turned and killed everyone in the room. Sure, Carley would have lived, but Lee, Clementine, Lilly and Kenny would have died - and possibly Katjaa (although the St. John's did say they needed her) and Duck, since there wouldn't have been anyone left to tell Carley and Ben about the Saint John's keeping Katjaa and Duck hostage.
And don't give me "But it's The Walking Dead, it's not SUPPOSED to be realistic because it has zombies!", because The Walking Dead IS supposed to be realistic - TWD is what the real world would be like with zombies. Robert Kirkman cares about making his comics as realistic and medically accurate as possible, so I'm pretty sure CPR wouldn't have worked in the TWD universe.
TL;DR: Kenny totally saved your ass in the meat locker and if Kenny doesn't appear in season 2 I will just assume he escaped from the walkers, stole his boat back from Vernon and studied black magic to revive his family.
To say that everyone would have died in the meatlocker if Kenny didn't do what he did is an opinion, not a fact. You can't know that and Kenny didn't know that. He killed Larry JUST IN CASE. Who should we believe, Kenny who is saying Larry's not gonna make it without making any real assessment or the person doing cpr who is telling him Larry isnt dead? Yes Lilly could of been in denial but I know for one that if you get Lee to do 4 fast chess compressions Larry is about to say something just before the salt lick lands on his face. That is what traumatised Lilly. The fact that he was still alive. Those are the words she repeats over and over if you try and engage her before leaving the meatlocker. Kenny looks shocked when he realises what he's done almost as if he was driven in his panicked state of fear of the fate of his family. He made killing Larry a priority over finding an escape route because it was easier, quicker and he considered it safer. Even if he had consoled Lilly and encouraged her to put Larry out of his mysery, that would of made all the difference like in the show when Andrea wouldn't allow anyone other than herself to kill Amy. It helps with the grieving process. Kenny just didn't have time for that. I am convinced that he would have been far more patient if his family were at the motor inn when he was in the meatlocker. So his choices were based on his urgency to get to his family and he saw Larry as a potential obstacle, yet I had to beat the snot out of him on the train,(I didn't kill him) for putting the whole group at risk when he refused to stop the train even though his bitten son was dying in his wife's arms with Clementine trapped on a moving train.(And we all know what happens if the player doesn't successfully convince him to stop the train) To quote Lee, Kenny was no hero. He murdered her dad and he wouldn't of made the tough choice if that was Kat or Duck which is what Lee says to him in the meatlocker.
To say that everyone would have died in the meatlocker if Kenny didn't do what he did is an opinion, not a fact. You can't know that and Kenny didn't know that. He killed Larry JUST IN CASE. Who should we believe, Kenny who is saying Larry's not gonna make it without making any real assessment or the person doing cpr who is telling him Larry isnt dead? Yes Lilly could of been in denial but I know for one that if you get Lee to do 4 fast chess compressions Larry is about to say something just before the salt lick lands on his face. That is what traumatised Lilly. The fact that he was still alive. Those are the words she repeats over and over if you try and engage her before leaving the meatlocker. Kenny looks shocked when he realises what he's done almost as if he was driven in his panicked state of fear of the fate of his family. He made killing Larry a priority over finding an escape route because it was easier, quicker and he considered it safer. Even if he had consoled Lilly and encouraged her to put Larry out of his mysery, that would of made all the difference like in the show when Andrea wouldn't allow anyone other than herself to kill Amy. It helps with the grieving process. Kenny just didn't have time for that. I am convinced that he would have been far more patient if his family were at the motor inn when he was in the meatlocker. So his choices were based on his urgency to get to his family and he saw Larry as a potential obstacle, yet I had to beat the snot out of him on the train,(I didn't kill him) for putting the whole group at risk when he refused to stop the train even though his bitten son was dying in his wife's arms with Clementine trapped on a moving train.(And we all know what happens if the player doesn't successfully convince him to stop the train) To quote Lee, Kenny was no hero. He murdered her dad and he wouldn't of made the tough choice if that was Kat or Duck which is what Lee says to him in the meatlocker.
"To say that everyone would have died in the meatlocker if Kenny didn't do what he did is an opinion, not a fact."
It's pretty much certain all of them would have died if Kenny hadn't killed Larry. Since CPR can't restart a heart without advanced medical help, Larry would definitely have turned. The St. Johns took their weapons so they were pretty much unable to defend themselves. Lee barely made it out alive when he got attacked by the much smaller and lighter walker in the drugstore - the only reason he didn't die was because Carley shot it. At the beginning of episode 2, Lee also has a very difficult time escaping from walker David/Travis, only surviving because the group has weapons. Now imagine being attacked by a walker twice as tall and heavy, UNARMED. While it's not a fact all of them would have died, it's not very likely any of them would have made it out alive.
"Yes Lilly could of been in denial but I know for one that if you get Lee to do 4 fast chess compressions Larry is about to say something just before the salt lick lands on his face. That is what traumatised Lilly. The fact that he was still alive. Those are the words she repeats over and over if you try and engage her before leaving the meatlocker."
Firstly, Larry couldn't have woken up. He wasn't about to say something - if you do 5 chest compressions his mouth slightly twitches, but he was definitely not consious. Like I said, CPR can't restart a heart without defibrillation, so he couldn't have woken up and said something. The moving of his mouth is most likely a twitch, or the chest compressions pushing out the last bit of air in his lungs. Secondly, Lilly wasn't traumatised because he moved his mouth; if you do less then 5 chest compressions, so his mouth doesn't move, she will still say "He was still alive...". She doesn't respond any differently then if you do give him 5 compressions. It had nothing to do with Larry's mouth moving, she just refuses to believe he was dead.
"He made killing Larry a priority over finding an escape route because it was easier, quicker and he considered it safer. Even if he had consoled Lilly and encouraged her to put Larry out of his mysery, that would of made all the difference like in the show when Andrea wouldn't allow anyone other than herself to kill Amy."
David/Travis turned literally seconds after his death. Trying to find an escape route with Larry lying dead on the ground would have been a HUGE risk. Considering they were unarmed, the only way they could've handled Larry was by killing him before he turned - they had to deal with him as quick as possible or everyone would have died. Prioritising finding an escape route would have been VERY stupid. There wasn't any time to waste - I also highly doubt Kenny would have been able to convince Lilly to smash in her dad's head in a matter of seconds. While I feel sorry for Lilly, they just couldn't afford the time to convince Lilly to do it herself. Even if they knew how much time they had left, I doubt they could've convinced her.
"So his choices were based on his urgency to get to his family and he saw Larry as a potential obstacle, yet I had to beat the snot out of him on the train,(I didn't kill him) for putting the whole group at risk when he refused to stop the train even though his bitten son was dying in his wife's arms with Clementine trapped on a moving train."
It's true Kenny's actions in episode 3 can be seen as hypocritical - like I said, Kenny's character is flawed, and this is what makes him so realistic. Anyone would have a harder time killing their own son then killing a racist asshole who tried to throw your kid out to the walkers. Kenny was in denial like any person would be watching his son die. Also, the situation with Duck was far less worse then the meatlocker situation, as they could TELL whether Duck was really dead or not, were armed, and could get out of the train at any second. Also, talking Kenny down is actually really easy, you only have to beat him up if you are a dick to him. I'm not 100% justifying Kenny's behaviour, but it's how a real person would act faced with their child dying - ESPECIALLY when you consider he thought Duck getting bitten was his fault.
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Telltale isn't likely to repeat something like that, at least with another major character from S1. If they really wanted to slam the door on Kenny for good, they'd have him cameo as a walker in S2. But the fact Telltale went out of their way to leave Kenny's final moments on an uncertain note implies they could have other plans for him.
If the group din't take the stuff from the car than the group would of died from starvation . Besides , that idiot of Campman brought it upon himself by leaving his car in the middle of the freaking forest . The group couldn't leave because they wanted to see if Mark was ok and i doubt the St Johns would let them go free , and if Lee and Kenny weren't suspicious then the St Johns would of killed them all with their guard down .
I see your point, but considering how Larry wasn't breathing and his heart stopped, it was pretty much impossible to tell if he was still alive or not. David (Ben's band teacher from the beginning of the episode) turned very quickly after his death, so leaving Larry to lie there, not knowing if he was dead or not, would be a huge risk. I felt bad for Lilly when I helped Kenny smash Larry's head in and wished I could've given her some time, but there wasn't any time to waste - leaving him to lie there would just be too much of a risk.
Saving the walkie talkie:
He ran through a door/window.
"saving" Ben:
He shot ben which killed Ben and all the walkers ate Ben's dead body.
"To say that everyone would have died in the meatlocker if Kenny didn't do what he did is an opinion, not a fact."
It's pretty much certain all of them would have died if Kenny hadn't killed Larry. Since CPR can't restart a heart without advanced medical help, Larry would definitely have turned. The St. Johns took their weapons so they were pretty much unable to defend themselves. Lee barely made it out alive when he got attacked by the much smaller and lighter walker in the drugstore - the only reason he didn't die was because Carley shot it. At the beginning of episode 2, Lee also has a very difficult time escaping from walker David/Travis, only surviving because the group has weapons. Now imagine being attacked by a walker twice as tall and heavy, UNARMED. While it's not a fact all of them would have died, it's not very likely any of them would have made it out alive.
"Yes Lilly could of been in denial but I know for one that if you get Lee to do 4 fast chess compressions Larry is about to say something just before the salt lick lands on his face. That is what traumatised Lilly. The fact that he was still alive. Those are the words she repeats over and over if you try and engage her before leaving the meatlocker."
Firstly, Larry couldn't have woken up. He wasn't about to say something - if you do 5 chest compressions his mouth slightly twitches, but he was definitely not consious. Like I said, CPR can't restart a heart without defibrillation, so he couldn't have woken up and said something. The moving of his mouth is most likely a twitch, or the chest compressions pushing out the last bit of air in his lungs. Secondly, Lilly wasn't traumatised because he moved his mouth; if you do less then 5 chest compressions, so his mouth doesn't move, she will still say "He was still alive...". She doesn't respond any differently then if you do give him 5 compressions. It had nothing to do with Larry's mouth moving, she just refuses to believe he was dead.
"He made killing Larry a priority over finding an escape route because it was easier, quicker and he considered it safer. Even if he had consoled Lilly and encouraged her to put Larry out of his mysery, that would of made all the difference like in the show when Andrea wouldn't allow anyone other than herself to kill Amy."
David/Travis turned literally seconds after his death. Trying to find an escape route with Larry lying dead on the ground would have been a HUGE risk. Considering they were unarmed, the only way they could've handled Larry was by killing him before he turned - they had to deal with him as quick as possible or everyone would have died. Prioritising finding an escape route would have been VERY stupid. There wasn't any time to waste - I also highly doubt Kenny would have been able to convince Lilly to smash in her dad's head in a matter of seconds. While I feel sorry for Lilly, they just couldn't afford the time to convince Lilly to do it herself. Even if they knew how much time they had left, I doubt they could've convinced her.
"So his choices were based on his urgency to get to his family and he saw Larry as a potential obstacle, yet I had to beat the snot out of him on the train,(I didn't kill him) for putting the whole group at risk when he refused to stop the train even though his bitten son was dying in his wife's arms with Clementine trapped on a moving train."
It's true Kenny's actions in episode 3 can be seen as hypocritical - like I said, Kenny's character is flawed, and this is what makes him so realistic. Anyone would have a harder time killing their own son then killing a racist asshole who tried to throw your kid out to the walkers. Kenny was in denial like any person would be watching his son die. Also, the situation with Duck was far less worse then the meatlocker situation, as they could TELL whether Duck was really dead or not, were armed, and could get out of the train at any second. Also, talking Kenny down is actually really easy, you only have to beat him up if you are a dick to him. I'm not 100% justifying Kenny's behaviour, but it's how a real person would act faced with their child dying - ESPECIALLY when you consider he thought Duck getting bitten was his fault.
He tastes..... you know.....
Urban :P
He's from Florida after all... I mean, crazy shit just comes out sometimes
What about Lee?
"PUT THE GUN DOWN PHYSCO BITCH!"
Besides, the relationship between Kenny and Lee was one of my favorites things in S1. Now that Lee's gone, I see no reason for Kenny to return.
He's one of my favorite characters, but I don't want him to come back in S2.
Laughed more at:
Lee: "You shot Mark you psycho bitch!"
Jolene: "Who the fuck is MARK? I don't know any Mark!"