I know, and it was a tight knit group, and I don't hate Larry, sure he may have wanted to Kill Lee, but all his charming lines in Episode 2 did make me like him, it was not a easy pick, but I just could not risk Clem or Kenny getting hurt, even if I did like Larry, sorry man, I did not enjoy making sure he did not turn, but I would do it again to protect my friends and Clem.
That is understandable,I did not try to kill him in my first save because I though that we still had a chance to save him,I wanted Kenny to be ready though just in case he did turn,though it sucked that Kenny was angry that I did that,if it was real life though I would probably kill him to protect everyone.
Kenny's an asshole depending on the choices you make but Lilly's a bitch no matter what and will pull the same stunts with you even if you have her back. I said this before and I'll say it again, Kenny's a saint compared to her.
Yeah, a saint that will tell you to go and check on Danny reassuring you he has your back then leave you to die if you tried to help Larry earlier. A saint that will tell you to leave a woman to suffer so her screams can draw out the hidden walkers. (That is something the Governor would suggest). A saint that would watch Lee struggling when he is being attacked in the drugstore when he is in a position to save him.
The only reason Kenny isn't infamous like Lilly is because Lee survived both scenarios. What if like in Heavy Rain the game continued without Lee because Kenny left him to die in episode 2 or 3? Wouldn't Kenny be as bad or worse than Lilly? They both had fucked up intensions, Lilly's case had worst consequences because she managed to kill a group member where Kenny didn’t but Kenny leaving Lee to die is as bad as pulling a trigger himself, his intensions were even more sinister because he knew what he was doing and planned to leave Lee to die, it's not like he tried to save Lee but failed. He knew the consequences of not helping Lee and left him regardless because he was still pissed at him for trying to save Larry. Lilly is no angel but there is no way she would have done what she did or what Kenny did in her right mind, when her dad was alive, before her mental breakdown. Kenny didn’t breakdown until after he lost his wife and son, what he did in those scenarios were malicious. Plain and simple.
My point is if I plot to kill you and fail I’m just as bad as the person who attempts to kill someone and succeeds where morals are concerned.
Lilly was forced into a role she was not fit for...
She was the leader when no one else was willing and was hated and fought against at all point just because she was the one who did the rationing, she was the one who had to think about letting new people in the group...
And then a member of the group killed her father right in front of her and she was forced to remain leader with no one left to trust...
No wonder she snapped...
She saved everyone when the bandits attacked and she was right about Ben...
If Kenny had not broken the group...
Lilly wouldn't have became what she became...
Kenny forgot the countless times I saved him and his family because I am not a murderer and after that left me for dead at every turn and tried his best to get me out of the equation...
Kenny still drops you, he still becomes a drunk and he still would have ripped Ben apart...
Lilly may betray you no matter what but she appreciates it when you help her and she may steal the RV but with Kenny in charge...
She had no choice...
I hate Kenny and I dislike Lilly but if Kenny is given a chance for redemption after everything he did...
I'd be willing to give Lilly the same chance
No, she tried to kill me. She should just die. :mad:
How did Lilly try to kill you? Her choosing not to shoot Andy or stealing the RV isn't an attempt to kill Lee it's Lilly saving her own ass at the expense of the group when she believes they are plotting to kill her or her leaving another group member to attempt to save you because you just slaughtered her dad. Would any of us have saved Lee from Andy if he held up back so his friend could kill any of our parents? Even if Larry couldn't have been saved, she believed he could. As for stealing the RV that could be put down to fear. The group were planning to abandon her in a safe area. She did to them what they were planning to do to her. Again who of us can honestly say they wouldn't have taken the RV if we believed the group were plotting to leave us where she left them? If Lilly wanted to kill Lee she could have when he was getting the pencil. She spared his life even though she believed he was contemplating killing her. That being the case how evil can she really be?
If you accept that it is comic book Lilly, then she killed a BABY and the mother before killing the governor (who was pretty much doomed at that point to zombies anyways). Good thing that they are two different Lillys though, either way Lilly deserves a bullet.
You make out as if Lilly in the comics did what she did out of evil. She didn't know she was killing someone holding a child and she didn't know the people she was attacking were innocent. She had been deceived by the Governor into believing Rick's people were a danger to Woodbury. The Lilly in the comics killed the Governor out of anger for what he made her do. The back story of Lilly shows that she is a caring heroic person who even saved children from walkers. I think that Lilly in the comics was often misunderstood which is probably part of the reason Kirkman decided to do her back story. Let's face it if Kirkman intended her to be a villainous bitch when she debuted in the comics he would have written her that way in the novel.
I know, and it was a tight knit group, and I don't hate Larry, sure he may have wanted to Kill Lee, but all his charming lines in Episode 2 did make me like him, it was not a easy pick, but I just could not risk Clem or Kenny getting hurt, even if I did like Larry, sorry man, I did not enjoy making sure he did not turn, but I would do it again to protect my friends and Clem.
Even if you knew he was going to be killed anyway? The choice wasn't really between saving Larry or killing him it was between who you tried to help which determines how you will be seen by Clem and the other group members.
When you consider how quick Lee got the vent clear for Clementine to pass through Kenny could have used the time he spent debating about killing Larry on helping Lee escape. In my playthrough I mentioned the vent before Larry collapsed. Being stuck in a meat locker with a person that could change would no longer be the issue since they would have established a way out. Kenny didn't want to take any risks and I get that because he is a selfish coward by nature but it was insensitive and unnecessary and was what caused the group to be broken. If there was an easter egg in that scene like the one on the train when Duck turns and kills everyone if you don't act quick enough I would have regretted not siding with Kenny, but since that doesn't happen i'm incline to believe it could have gone either way and for the sake of my humanity I would have wanted to be sure he was dead before killing him. That is the difference between Kenny and Rick Grimes. Rick pulled a gun on Abraham to stop him from trying to kill Maggie when Glenn was doing CPR on her. Just as well really because she lived.
im a carley fan aswell and In my game I went 100% with Lilly and she showed me amazing side of her wich I really liked.
I always had her back untill the argument when I protected Carley but I brought Lilly along.
I voted yes because Lilly is NOT a bad person,she gets all the hate because who she killed.
she killed a fan favorite character so she gots loads of hate but lets say she would have shot ben insted - shewould have more fans then clem :P
I would love to see Lilly in Tavia/Oprah's camp and she might sacrifice herself if the camp will be attacked or soemthing..
I read some Kenny fans threads about lilly being a killer but..lets not forget the meat locker
Carley didn't have a heart attack and they weren't locked in a confined room with her. Same goes for Ben and Doug.
Don't get me wrong,Im not a Kenny hater but I think it wasnt his call to do anything with Larry so botton line for Lilly and Kenny both murdered someone,risk or not (meat locker scene).
Altho Kenny and Lilly were in the same point in episode 3 - they both lost the only thing they fought for so I think he understood what he did to Larry after he lost his family and were in that feelingthat he got nothing left - same a Lilly.
Kenny cn be a great guy if you side with him ofc - but 1 time that you dont have his back and he is not coming to look for clem - kinda wierd as a person that calls you "pal" - dont u think?
No one else was willing or able to be a leader and before episode 2 ended she wasn't that bad she was doing her best to keep a group together and if Kenny and Lee hadn't turned up they wouldn't have got into such a bad position
How do you know no one wanted to be leader? Was there any discussion of who should be in charge?
You don't think she was a bad leader?
What was she doing in Episode 1? Nothing!
She didn't know what she was doing, she looked lost as she had no plan, she ran to strangers for help to save her douchebag dad!
Where's the good leader in that?
If Lee & Kenny never came, shed be stuck in the pharmacy.
Who was left in the group to trust? By the end of episode 2 there was only Kenny and his family and Doug/Carley left she did trust Doug to a point and Carley was lying to the group about Lee and I could understand why someone might not trust her (I didn't)
What about Lee(Depending) or Clementine?
Katjaa doesn't like violence, you tell her about what Kenny did to Lilly's dad, she'll become horrified.
First of all, Lilly believed she and her dad were the only one's that knew about Lee's past, she didn't know Carley knew so Lilly not trusting her because of that seems out of the question.
You didn't trust Carley?
She knew your secret and told you about it and promised to keep it to herself while Lilly on the other hand knew as well but did she confront you about it? No, but instead she decided to keep it to herself in hopes of using it to cause tension between you and the group.
Either way, none of this Justifies what Lilly did afterwards.
She knew she was a mess but having the responsibility of keeping a group half of which is directly linked to the man who killed your father...
1 or 2 out of 7 kill her dad, hardly half when 5 did nothing to you.
They survived 3 months at the Motel and died within days of leaving it...
That's like saying Shane kept the group alive and when Rick took over, everybody started dropping like flies.
They only survived that long because they faced no threats. Seems you forgot they lost two people(Mark & Larry) to the cannibals, Duck was bitten whilst still at the motel.
Over all, 5 people died under Lilly's leadership, Mark, Larry, Doug, Carley & Duck, Katjaa would make it 6 but wouldn't count that as it was her choice to end her own life.
The Motel was the only thing keeping the group alive...
Did the motel protect them from bandits? Which forced them to leave without their supplies.
The group was broken when Kenny fragmented it... Lilly just finished it off...
So Kenny apparently "fragmented" the group so that makes it OK for Lilly to kill an innocent person?
And as I said, she broke up the group by making bad decisions, killing a valuable member and leaving the group vulnerable by abandoning them for dead.
She saved everyone from the bandits and they had just lost all their supplies and their base... She wanted vengeance and was broken she didn't know what to do and her Paranoia had consumed her...
And as I said, all that could've been avoided by leaving the motel, they would still have their supplies. It was Kenny that saved the group with his RV decision, Lilly's decision put everybody in danger.
Vengeance on who? Not Kenny or Lee, the man or men that killed your dad but Carley, the girl that did nothing to you? That makes no sense to carry out a so called "vengeance".
Kenny would have Killed Lilly if she hadn't stolen the RV she had no choice...
She had the choice not to pull the trigger but does anyway. She had the choice of running away on foot but decides to leave people that you're in charge of for dead by taking their transport vehicle. Who would kill her?
Kenny? Katjaa? Duck? Clementine? Ben? Lee with no option presented to kill her?
This is the group that were horrified when Lee kicked Andy St John onto the electric fence, Lilly knew this group wont have it in them to kill her so decided to take advantage. How do you know Kenny would bring it upon himself to kill her? He wanted to leave her, this guy hasn't killed a living person, if you count Larry but Kenny believed he was dead and even after smashing his head in with a salt lick, he looked horrified doing it.
Kenny killed Larry and left me for dead so many times whilst when Kenny would have let me die she saved me...
Did she save you after her dad punched you and left you to die? Kenny does no matter what choices you make with him.
Does Lilly save you no matter what choices you make with her?
Besides, was she saving you when she abandoned you by taking the RV?
With Lilly & Kenny, one will leave you to die and the other will save you if you disagree with them in that moment with the St John brothers so that evens them out.
Lilly will save you once and that's depending on the choice you make and that's it, that's all she possibly does for you, at least Kenny has that moment in the pharmacy and will stick by you till the end and he'll do this no matter what choices you make with him.
Kenny was never there for me even when I did what he wanted just because of one disagreement...
And where was Lilly if I may ask?
At least Kenny sticks by you till the end.
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Yeah, a saint that will tell you to go and check on Danny reassuring you he has your back then leave you to die if you tried to help Larry earlier. A saint that will tell you to leave a woman to suffer so her screams can draw out the hidden walkers. (That is something the Governor would suggest). A saint that would watch Lee struggling when he is being attacked in the drugstore when he is in a position to save him.
I said he's a Saint compared to her, I didn't say he is a Saint. What about Lilly?
Do you recall that she wanted to leave a group that consists of two kids to be eaten? or when she wanted Lee to leave Ben's group to die? Do you think she would help that screaming woman? Answer is No as she has shown previously that she'd let people die. The Governor kills people that did nothing to him just like Lilly did with Carley/Doug, and we know about the victims The Governor has taken.
The only reason Kenny isn't infamous like Lilly is because Lee survived both scenarios. What if like in Heavy Rain the game continued without Lee because Kenny left him to die in episode 2 or 3? Wouldn't Kenny be as bad or worse than Lilly? They both had fucked up intensions, Lilly's case had worst consequences because she managed to kill a group member where Kenny didn’t but Kenny leaving Lee to die is as bad as pulling a trigger himself, his intensions were even more sinister because he knew what he was doing and planned to leave Lee to die, it's not like he tried to save Lee but failed. He knew the consequences of not helping Lee and left him regardless because he was still pissed at him for trying to save Larry. Lilly is no angel but there is no way she would have done what she did or what Kenny did in her right mind, when her dad was alive, before her mental breakdown. Kenny didn’t breakdown until after he lost his wife and son, what he did in those scenarios were malicious. Plain and simple.
I would agree that Kenny comes out as a selfish bastard at times when you disagree with him but Lilly comes out as an evil bitch no matter the decision you make with her. Kenny will pull stunts you don't like if you don't help but Lilly will do the same and much worse.
Both Lilly & Kenny would leave you to die if you disagreed with them but the difference between the two is that Kenny would take it out on you if you disagreed with him while Lilly takes it out on others, Kenny would be as bad as Lilly if he directly killed someone that did nothing to him. Lilly's killing of Carley/Doug is much worse than Kenny killing Larry.
Granted Kenny left Lee to die but in no way is that as bad as Lilly's cold blooded murder, Kenny never put Lee in the position of dying or had any plans to kill him while Lilly intended to take someone Else's life by pulling the trigger. Kenny left Lee because he disagreed with him, this is nothing compared to Lilly's killing of an innocent person with no reason.
Lilly's actions are more horrifying than anything Kenny has ever done because not only was she punishing Kenny or Lee but the whole group, she snaps at everyone and caused them to fear her and then she goes and murders an innocent person then when opportunity came, she decided to abandon them without remorse, this is something Kenny has not done.
Kenny's only crime in the disagreement was leaving Lee vulnerable twice and I'm not overlooking Lilly's actions just to notice his because I know it was messed up but Lilly's was even more sinister, Kenny makes up for it in the end, he could've ditched you by taking the boat but he didn't, we all know what Lilly would've done as she already left you for dead by stealing the RV. This is why I say Kenny's a saint compared to Lilly because Lilly is a thousand times worse.
One thing is, if you agree with Kenny and side with him, it'll come out with positive affects, Lilly on the other hand, you agree and side with her, it'll cause problems for you because she's never there for you or assists you, Kenny does no matter what.
I know she suffered a tragic loss but this is no reason to justify what she did, other characters suffered the same loss as her but they didn't do what she did. It's not like Kenny predicted what Lilly will do in the future. Kenny's breakdown didn't involve him killing an innocent person and leaving a group to die. Even before her dad's death, she was an unreasonable bitch that was willing to let people get eaten.
My point is if I plot to kill you and fail I’m just as bad as the person who attempts to kill someone and succeeds where morals are concerned.
Kenny never did try to kill you or plotted to kill you so I don't know where you got this idea while Lilly does admit that she wanted to kill you.
What I'm trying to say is that Kenny's a selfish asshole but Lilly is a monster. You can change it with Kenny where he becomes a friend, Lilly doesn't. Lilly is no different from The Governor especially due to the fact that they both don't care what they've done.
How did Lilly try to kill you? Her choosing not to shoot Andy or stealing the RV isn't an attempt to kill Lee it's Lilly saving her own ass at the expense of the group when she believes they are plotting to kill her or her leaving another group member to attempt to save you because you just slaughtered her dad. Would any of us have saved Lee from Andy if he held up back so his friend could kill any of our parents? Even if Larry couldn't have been saved, she believed he could. As for stealing the RV that could be put down to fear. The group were planning to abandon her in a safe area. She did to them what they were planning to do to her. Again who of us can honestly say they wouldn't have taken the RV if we believed the group were plotting to leave us where she left them? If Lilly wanted to kill Lee she could have when he was getting the pencil. She spared his life even though she believed he was contemplating killing her. That being the case how evil can she really be?
I was talking about Ben. And if you remember in episode 1, when Larry tried to kill Duck Lee tried to reason that the boy was family and all but Larry didn't listen and said something about the survival of the group. Kenny did exactly what Larry would have done had it been any one dying other than him. Lily should know that very well so she shouldn't have snapped.
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That is understandable,I did not try to kill him in my first save because I though that we still had a chance to save him,I wanted Kenny to be ready though just in case he did turn,though it sucked that Kenny was angry that I did that,if it was real life though I would probably kill him to protect everyone.
The only reason Kenny isn't infamous like Lilly is because Lee survived both scenarios. What if like in Heavy Rain the game continued without Lee because Kenny left him to die in episode 2 or 3? Wouldn't Kenny be as bad or worse than Lilly? They both had fucked up intensions, Lilly's case had worst consequences because she managed to kill a group member where Kenny didn’t but Kenny leaving Lee to die is as bad as pulling a trigger himself, his intensions were even more sinister because he knew what he was doing and planned to leave Lee to die, it's not like he tried to save Lee but failed. He knew the consequences of not helping Lee and left him regardless because he was still pissed at him for trying to save Larry. Lilly is no angel but there is no way she would have done what she did or what Kenny did in her right mind, when her dad was alive, before her mental breakdown. Kenny didn’t breakdown until after he lost his wife and son, what he did in those scenarios were malicious. Plain and simple.
My point is if I plot to kill you and fail I’m just as bad as the person who attempts to kill someone and succeeds where morals are concerned.
When you consider how quick Lee got the vent clear for Clementine to pass through Kenny could have used the time he spent debating about killing Larry on helping Lee escape. In my playthrough I mentioned the vent before Larry collapsed. Being stuck in a meat locker with a person that could change would no longer be the issue since they would have established a way out. Kenny didn't want to take any risks and I get that because he is a selfish coward by nature but it was insensitive and unnecessary and was what caused the group to be broken. If there was an easter egg in that scene like the one on the train when Duck turns and kills everyone if you don't act quick enough I would have regretted not siding with Kenny, but since that doesn't happen i'm incline to believe it could have gone either way and for the sake of my humanity I would have wanted to be sure he was dead before killing him. That is the difference between Kenny and Rick Grimes. Rick pulled a gun on Abraham to stop him from trying to kill Maggie when Glenn was doing CPR on her. Just as well really because she lived.
I always had her back untill the argument when I protected Carley but I brought Lilly along.
I voted yes because Lilly is NOT a bad person,she gets all the hate because who she killed.
she killed a fan favorite character so she gots loads of hate but lets say she would have shot ben insted - shewould have more fans then clem :P
I would love to see Lilly in Tavia/Oprah's camp and she might sacrifice herself if the camp will be attacked or soemthing..
I read some Kenny fans threads about lilly being a killer but..lets not forget the meat locker
Carley didn't have a heart attack and they weren't locked in a confined room with her. Same goes for Ben and Doug.
Don't get me wrong,Im not a Kenny hater but I think it wasnt his call to do anything with Larry so botton line for Lilly and Kenny both murdered someone,risk or not (meat locker scene).
Altho Kenny and Lilly were in the same point in episode 3 - they both lost the only thing they fought for so I think he understood what he did to Larry after he lost his family and were in that feelingthat he got nothing left - same a Lilly.
Kenny cn be a great guy if you side with him ofc - but 1 time that you dont have his back and he is not coming to look for clem - kinda wierd as a person that calls you "pal" - dont u think?
How do you know no one wanted to be leader? Was there any discussion of who should be in charge?
You don't think she was a bad leader?
What was she doing in Episode 1? Nothing!
She didn't know what she was doing, she looked lost as she had no plan, she ran to strangers for help to save her douchebag dad!
Where's the good leader in that?
If Lee & Kenny never came, shed be stuck in the pharmacy.
What about Lee(Depending) or Clementine?
Katjaa doesn't like violence, you tell her about what Kenny did to Lilly's dad, she'll become horrified.
First of all, Lilly believed she and her dad were the only one's that knew about Lee's past, she didn't know Carley knew so Lilly not trusting her because of that seems out of the question.
You didn't trust Carley?
She knew your secret and told you about it and promised to keep it to herself while Lilly on the other hand knew as well but did she confront you about it? No, but instead she decided to keep it to herself in hopes of using it to cause tension between you and the group.
Either way, none of this Justifies what Lilly did afterwards.
1 or 2 out of 7 kill her dad, hardly half when 5 did nothing to you.
That's like saying Shane kept the group alive and when Rick took over, everybody started dropping like flies.
They only survived that long because they faced no threats. Seems you forgot they lost two people(Mark & Larry) to the cannibals, Duck was bitten whilst still at the motel.
Over all, 5 people died under Lilly's leadership, Mark, Larry, Doug, Carley & Duck, Katjaa would make it 6 but wouldn't count that as it was her choice to end her own life.
Did the motel protect them from bandits? Which forced them to leave without their supplies.
So Kenny apparently "fragmented" the group so that makes it OK for Lilly to kill an innocent person?
And as I said, she broke up the group by making bad decisions, killing a valuable member and leaving the group vulnerable by abandoning them for dead.
And as I said, all that could've been avoided by leaving the motel, they would still have their supplies. It was Kenny that saved the group with his RV decision, Lilly's decision put everybody in danger.
Vengeance on who? Not Kenny or Lee, the man or men that killed your dad but Carley, the girl that did nothing to you? That makes no sense to carry out a so called "vengeance".
She had the choice not to pull the trigger but does anyway. She had the choice of running away on foot but decides to leave people that you're in charge of for dead by taking their transport vehicle. Who would kill her?
Kenny? Katjaa? Duck? Clementine? Ben? Lee with no option presented to kill her?
This is the group that were horrified when Lee kicked Andy St John onto the electric fence, Lilly knew this group wont have it in them to kill her so decided to take advantage. How do you know Kenny would bring it upon himself to kill her? He wanted to leave her, this guy hasn't killed a living person, if you count Larry but Kenny believed he was dead and even after smashing his head in with a salt lick, he looked horrified doing it.
Did she save you after her dad punched you and left you to die? Kenny does no matter what choices you make with him.
Does Lilly save you no matter what choices you make with her?
Besides, was she saving you when she abandoned you by taking the RV?
With Lilly & Kenny, one will leave you to die and the other will save you if you disagree with them in that moment with the St John brothers so that evens them out.
Lilly will save you once and that's depending on the choice you make and that's it, that's all she possibly does for you, at least Kenny has that moment in the pharmacy and will stick by you till the end and he'll do this no matter what choices you make with him.
And where was Lilly if I may ask?
At least Kenny sticks by you till the end.
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I said he's a Saint compared to her, I didn't say he is a Saint. What about Lilly?
Do you recall that she wanted to leave a group that consists of two kids to be eaten? or when she wanted Lee to leave Ben's group to die? Do you think she would help that screaming woman? Answer is No as she has shown previously that she'd let people die. The Governor kills people that did nothing to him just like Lilly did with Carley/Doug, and we know about the victims The Governor has taken.
I would agree that Kenny comes out as a selfish bastard at times when you disagree with him but Lilly comes out as an evil bitch no matter the decision you make with her. Kenny will pull stunts you don't like if you don't help but Lilly will do the same and much worse.
Both Lilly & Kenny would leave you to die if you disagreed with them but the difference between the two is that Kenny would take it out on you if you disagreed with him while Lilly takes it out on others, Kenny would be as bad as Lilly if he directly killed someone that did nothing to him. Lilly's killing of Carley/Doug is much worse than Kenny killing Larry.
Granted Kenny left Lee to die but in no way is that as bad as Lilly's cold blooded murder, Kenny never put Lee in the position of dying or had any plans to kill him while Lilly intended to take someone Else's life by pulling the trigger. Kenny left Lee because he disagreed with him, this is nothing compared to Lilly's killing of an innocent person with no reason.
Lilly's actions are more horrifying than anything Kenny has ever done because not only was she punishing Kenny or Lee but the whole group, she snaps at everyone and caused them to fear her and then she goes and murders an innocent person then when opportunity came, she decided to abandon them without remorse, this is something Kenny has not done.
Kenny's only crime in the disagreement was leaving Lee vulnerable twice and I'm not overlooking Lilly's actions just to notice his because I know it was messed up but Lilly's was even more sinister, Kenny makes up for it in the end, he could've ditched you by taking the boat but he didn't, we all know what Lilly would've done as she already left you for dead by stealing the RV. This is why I say Kenny's a saint compared to Lilly because Lilly is a thousand times worse.
One thing is, if you agree with Kenny and side with him, it'll come out with positive affects, Lilly on the other hand, you agree and side with her, it'll cause problems for you because she's never there for you or assists you, Kenny does no matter what.
I know she suffered a tragic loss but this is no reason to justify what she did, other characters suffered the same loss as her but they didn't do what she did. It's not like Kenny predicted what Lilly will do in the future. Kenny's breakdown didn't involve him killing an innocent person and leaving a group to die. Even before her dad's death, she was an unreasonable bitch that was willing to let people get eaten.
Kenny never did try to kill you or plotted to kill you so I don't know where you got this idea while Lilly does admit that she wanted to kill you.
What I'm trying to say is that Kenny's a selfish asshole but Lilly is a monster. You can change it with Kenny where he becomes a friend, Lilly doesn't. Lilly is no different from The Governor especially due to the fact that they both don't care what they've done.
I was talking about Ben. And if you remember in episode 1, when Larry tried to kill Duck Lee tried to reason that the boy was family and all but Larry didn't listen and said something about the survival of the group. Kenny did exactly what Larry would have done had it been any one dying other than him. Lily should know that very well so she shouldn't have snapped.