They both have good leadership qualities, but they are too controlling and would not hesitate in killing a member of their group. I wouldn't want either as a leader.
They are both murderers, although Roman at least had a small reason although not good enough to justify his actions. However he is too controlling, even more so than Lilly (if that is possible). So I voted neither.
Like everyone else I have to say neither, but Roman if I really must choose.
However, I think they'd get on like a house on fire if they ever met.
Ha Lilly and Roman together ! I can imagine that Roman would make a song to cheer up Lilly considering he was in a band and Lilly would instantly fall in love him after the song .
Bad Romance indeed .
My main issues with keeping Lilly at the helm came after the mental breakdown, but strife over how things were being run was obviously getting to her before that. Roman seemed the more level-headed of the two before the break-in, but apparently he starts going over the edge as well.
Then again, at least Lilly didn't see reason to feed walkers in the backyard, or make it a point to hunt down anyone who wanted to leave when she was still stable.
Then again, at least Lilly didn't see reason to feed walkers in the backyard, or make it a point to hunt down anyone who wanted to leave when she was still stable.
Meh, I'd pick feeding walkers over shooting people because they talked back. And if we're talking stable Lilly... I'd still go with Roman. To be honest, I never saw Lilly as being fit for leadership in their particular group. While Roman was definitely the most leader-worthy out of the Pit Stop survivors.
Lilly's way too prone to freak-outs, even before the Larry thing. Look at her reaction when the group dragged a couple of survivors back to camp. She bitched them out for a good five minutes and then said "Fuck it. I'm not doing my job anymore." Some leader.
When someone broke into the pit stop, did Roman freak out? No. He tied the guy up and gathered the entire group to calmly and diplomatically figure out what to do with him. Lilly would have just killed the guy and scream at anyone who disagreed with her.
I don't know where I sit. I like Mikejames' take, but like DomeWing333, I think Lilly's hot-head and subsequent "freak outs" (Pre-Larry) weren't the best qualities that could be exhibited in a leader.
Roman started out like a cool cucumber but became for me a manipulative and insidious control freak.
Roman is arguably the "best" leader of all we've seen. He handles situations in a calm and diplomatic way, but he still has harsh but more or less justifiable rules.
Roman is arguably the "best" leader of all we've seen. He handles situations in a calm and diplomatic way, but he still has harsh but more or less justifiable rules.
Yeah agreed but arguably you need a hard ruler in the apocalypse. Lilly kept the group going for three months once she was gone and the group became more democratic they were dead within a week. Honestly while it's not nice you need someone who is a hard ass to make it.
Roman. He's a nice guy who cared for his group. Their safety mattered to him the most, and he did everything he could to keep them safe. Like others have said above, he gathers his group when the guy breaks in so they can all come to a decision together. After that incident, some say that he goes a little overboard with his precautions, but doesn't he have reason? The group suffered 2 break ins within the span of about a week, and in one scenario, both lose valuable medical supplies AND get attacked by another group depending on Bonnie and Shel's actions in their respective stories. The attack gets Boyd killed. Trying to make sure everything is SUPER secure isn't his fault. Even if those things DON'T happen, they've still had two break ins and a hostile group in the area. I've seen everything that Roman did as justified, more-so than any of the things Lilly ever did.
As paranoid she was, Lilly was a good leader before she shot Doug/Carley. She wasn't holding onto the hope that the boat plan would be good. She wanted to stay at the motor inn, (which is what I wanted in the beginning of episode 3) even if it was constantly being attacked by bandits so the group would not venture out into the unknown. She outright demanded to know who was a traitor to the group she'd been "leading" for over three months. She took great measures into making sure the group was in a straight line.
Roman's the kind of guy that agrees with whatever the majority of the group decides to do. He doesn't make decisions himself, he entirely based them on the group's decisions. Then he goes aggressive into making sure that the group is safe, no matter who was looting it before. I really want him to return as a major antagonist in season 2.
EDIT: Ugh, accidentally made my poll choice as "neither of them". I'm voting for Lilly.
i chose lilly for ONE reason. while they both killed in cold blood, Lilly never showed any real extreme overcontrolling signs. What do i mean by that? Roman hates the idea of anybody who so much as STUMBLES upon them from leaving. He practically keeps everyone prisoner
Lilly: Lee.... I caught Ben stealing supplies. I locked him up cause I wanna kill him. But actually I don't wanna kill him, you should drink the kool aid too and go kill him. Its chill dude I'll tell Clem it was no big deal.
As much as I personally disliked Lilly, at least I never had to deal with this kind of shit.
Lilly: Lee.... I caught Ben stealing supplies. I locked him up cause I wanna kill him. But actually I don't wanna kill him, you should drink the kool aid too and go kill him. Its chill dude I'll tell Clem it was no big deal.
As much as I personally disliked Lilly, at least I never had to deal with this kind of shit.
Lilly: Lee.... I caught Ben stealing supplies. I locked him up cause I wanna kill him. But actually I don't wanna kill him, you should drink the kool aid too and go kill him. Its chill dude I'll tell Clem it was no big deal.
As much as I personally disliked Lilly, at least I never had to deal with this kind of shit.
Wait...you're saying that's NOT preferable to randomly shooting someone in the face out of nowhere?
Roman: She stole supplies and tried to escape. I'll Stick up with whatever you say to Becca. But you need to have my back on this one( i think that last quote belonged to kenny on the subject of killing someone. bue meh) I'll give you time to think about it.
i chose lilly for ONE reason. while they both killed in cold blood, Lilly never showed any real extreme overcontrolling signs. What do i mean by that? Roman hates the idea of anybody who so much as STUMBLES upon them from leaving. He practically keeps everyone prisoner
Well he did say something to the effect of 'we can't let anyone leave' as they may reveal the camp's location. So, if Shel up and decided the vibe at the pitstop blew, and she wanted her and Becca to make a go of it out in the world and told everyone as such, Roman would be all:
It is a pretty bloody futile safeguard given the pitstop/diner is right on the main thoroughfare. It's glaringly obvious. It's been raided; people know its there. He's probably far more concerned with losing able bodies. He needs everyone to defend the camp. They can't afford to lose anyone else.
I get why Roman's got a gigantic bug up his arse though. They've got some kind of something going on at the pitstop and anything that will, or could potentially, compromise it, it is going to be dealt with. He probably does genuinely give a shit about the people there, especially Becca and Shel, I just don't like the guy, trust him, or agree with his methods.. Manipulative.
Still on the fence between Lilly and Roman though. Neither are cutting it for me.
Lilly gave food to her dad behind everyone's back. Terrible.
Also, "Niko lets go bowling" "Not now, Roman"
There is actually no proof that Lilly gave food to Larry behind everyone's backs. It's just supposition on Mark's part, and there's nothing conclusive. Of course, it IS possible that she did, but we have to remember, that if we start accusing anyone without any proof, well, isn't that just what she did?
Roman: She stole supplies and tried to escape. I'll Stick up with whatever you say to Becca. But you need to have my back on this one( i think that last quote belonged to kenny on the subject of killing someone. bue meh) I'll give you time to think about it.
Lily:... * Shoots Carley/Doug without a word*
Lilly - They can stay until Katjaa finishes working on that guy. Then they HAVE to go... We just don't have enough food.
Roman - We either let this guy go and take our chances... or we kill him.
Lilly - You know what, we shouldn't just kick you out, we should hear what everybody thinks.
Shel - Let's talk to her first. See if we can talk some sense into her.
Roman - No... You got your gun?
Well, I might have been a little biased. Though I really do think that things would have gone much better if Roman were in Lilly's position and much worse if Lilly were in Roman's position. I'm curious how other people would see that play out.
Roman. He's a nice guy who cared for his group. Their safety mattered to him the most, and he did everything he could to keep them safe. Like others have said above, he gathers his group when the guy breaks in so they can all come to a decision together. After that incident, some say that he goes a little overboard with his precautions, but doesn't he have reason? The group suffered 2 break ins within the span of about a week, and in one scenario, both lose valuable medical supplies AND get attacked by another group depending on Bonnie and Shel's actions in their respective stories. The attack gets Boyd killed. Trying to make sure everything is SUPER secure isn't his fault. Even if those things DON'T happen, they've still had two break ins and a hostile group in the area. I've seen everything that Roman did as justified, more-so than any of the things Lilly ever did.
I only understand Roman in the 'let Roberto go' scenario. The group doesn't need to go into super prison mode just because of a couple break ins.
Lilly on the other hand kept her group in relative control. Up until she was at her breaking point, she was a good leader. In fact, I think Carley/Doug's death was partially Kenny/Lee's fault. If Larry had lived, then she wouldn't have been such a mess. She wouldn't have killed anyone.
Ah, a fixer.
Somebody beat foreign guy before. He couldn't communicate. He was defenceless. Don't you remember? "I'll take it upon myself", Roman - what a hero!
Point is - Lilly was right. Bringing more people to the camp was big mistake. Not enough food for her people. Nothing for new. Lilly never asked about killing Ben and his friend/teacher. Roman had food but asked.
Lilly tried to talk with suspects. We don't know Stephanie's reasons. Maybe she was framed? "She didn't give two shits about us when she tried to leave with literally everything we need to survive" - it is only Roman's version.
i thought Lilly was a bad leader from the start and Carley should have been in charge, her killing Carley/Doug was just conformation, Roman wasn't great either, his belief that the truck stop was hidden away and letting the thief go would give away their position was a bit stupid, almost everybody in the game found that place, so no matter how fortified it was it would always be a target for scavengers.
but i don't know maybe i just have a problem with authority so no leader would ever be good enough
Lilly kept everyone alive a lot longer than anyone else did. (Keep in mind, Roman came in after 186 days, meaning he likely kept everyone alive around 100 days.
Lilly kept everyone alive a lot longer than anyone else did. (Keep in mind, Roman came in after 186 days, meaning he likely kept everyone alive around 100 days.
number of days keeping the group alive isn't really what i use as my gauge of a good leader
Any leader who can keep their group alive without killing others for no reason is a good leader. The only place Lilly lacked was in keeping morale high.
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However, I think they'd get on like a house on fire if they ever met.
Ha Lilly and Roman together ! I can imagine that Roman would make a song to cheer up Lilly considering he was in a band and Lilly would instantly fall in love him after the song .
Bad Romance indeed .
Then again, at least Lilly didn't see reason to feed walkers in the backyard, or make it a point to hunt down anyone who wanted to leave when she was still stable.
Pre-episode 3 Lilly > Roman > Episode 3 Lilly
Meh, I'd pick feeding walkers over shooting people because they talked back. And if we're talking stable Lilly... I'd still go with Roman. To be honest, I never saw Lilly as being fit for leadership in their particular group. While Roman was definitely the most leader-worthy out of the Pit Stop survivors.
I'd choose before episode 3 Lill over Roman but episode 3 onwards they're tied...
When someone broke into the pit stop, did Roman freak out? No. He tied the guy up and gathered the entire group to calmly and diplomatically figure out what to do with him. Lilly would have just killed the guy and scream at anyone who disagreed with her.
Roman started out like a cool cucumber but became for me a manipulative and insidious control freak.
I guess I do know where I sit. To the fence!
Yeah agreed but arguably you need a hard ruler in the apocalypse. Lilly kept the group going for three months once she was gone and the group became more democratic they were dead within a week. Honestly while it's not nice you need someone who is a hard ass to make it.
Roman's the kind of guy that agrees with whatever the majority of the group decides to do. He doesn't make decisions himself, he entirely based them on the group's decisions. Then he goes aggressive into making sure that the group is safe, no matter who was looting it before. I really want him to return as a major antagonist in season 2.
EDIT: Ugh, accidentally made my poll choice as "neither of them". I'm voting for Lilly.
As much as I personally disliked Lilly, at least I never had to deal with this kind of shit.
my point exactly
Wait...you're saying that's NOT preferable to randomly shooting someone in the face out of nowhere?
Lily:... * Shoots Carley/Doug without a word*
Well he did say something to the effect of 'we can't let anyone leave' as they may reveal the camp's location. So, if Shel up and decided the vibe at the pitstop blew, and she wanted her and Becca to make a go of it out in the world and told everyone as such, Roman would be all:
It is a pretty bloody futile safeguard given the pitstop/diner is right on the main thoroughfare. It's glaringly obvious. It's been raided; people know its there. He's probably far more concerned with losing able bodies. He needs everyone to defend the camp. They can't afford to lose anyone else.
I get why Roman's got a gigantic bug up his arse though. They've got some kind of something going on at the pitstop and anything that will, or could potentially, compromise it, it is going to be dealt with. He probably does genuinely give a shit about the people there, especially Becca and Shel, I just don't like the guy, trust him, or agree with his methods.. Manipulative.
Still on the fence between Lilly and Roman though. Neither are cutting it for me.
Shel: D'oh!
There is actually no proof that Lilly gave food to Larry behind everyone's backs. It's just supposition on Mark's part, and there's nothing conclusive. Of course, it IS possible that she did, but we have to remember, that if we start accusing anyone without any proof, well, isn't that just what she did?
Lilly - They can stay until Katjaa finishes working on that guy. Then they HAVE to go... We just don't have enough food.
Roman - We either let this guy go and take our chances... or we kill him.
Lilly - You know what, we shouldn't just kick you out, we should hear what everybody thinks.
Shel - Let's talk to her first. See if we can talk some sense into her.
Roman - No... You got your gun?
Fix'd for context.
I only understand Roman in the 'let Roberto go' scenario. The group doesn't need to go into super prison mode just because of a couple break ins.
Lilly on the other hand kept her group in relative control. Up until she was at her breaking point, she was a good leader. In fact, I think Carley/Doug's death was partially Kenny/Lee's fault. If Larry had lived, then she wouldn't have been such a mess. She wouldn't have killed anyone.
Ah, a fixer.
Somebody beat foreign guy before. He couldn't communicate. He was defenceless. Don't you remember? "I'll take it upon myself", Roman - what a hero!
Point is - Lilly was right. Bringing more people to the camp was big mistake. Not enough food for her people. Nothing for new. Lilly never asked about killing Ben and his friend/teacher. Roman had food but asked.
Lilly tried to talk with suspects. We don't know Stephanie's reasons. Maybe she was framed? "She didn't give two shits about us when she tried to leave with literally everything we need to survive" - it is only Roman's version.
That is pretty sound, Cat, but I must say, you could never ever post on the non-spoiler section with that signature.
but i don't know maybe i just have a problem with authority so no leader would ever be good enough
number of days keeping the group alive isn't really what i use as my gauge of a good leader