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If Kenny DID survive, then how?

VentingSylarVentingSylar
edited August 2013 in The Walking Dead
I curious as the what the forum believes are the possible reasons that Kenny might have survived his 2 unfortunate outcomes...
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  • TTaing987TTaing987
    edited August 2013
    In both death sequences you never see his body being bitten by walkers. He just goes offscreen. The only time you hear walker's eating is the Ben version, and it's safe to assume that the walkers are eating Ben because Ben isn't going anywhere with the rebar stuck in his body.

    However we don't know for sure and we will have to wait until season 2 to see if he is dead or alive
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    That is the best way to some it up, there is no proof he is alive or dead, we just have to wait and see.
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    Well I was going to add a poll, but I'm new to the forums and don't know how to add a poll... It would go something like this: Possible ways he survived

    Escaped through a manhole or door
    Saved by someone (possibly Molly?)
    Fought his way through
    He didn't, he's dead

    What do you think?
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    That would work well.
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    Would either of you be able to add the poll, or can I only do it?
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    I believe you have to do it, we could make another thread for you.
  • ZeruisZeruis
    edited August 2013
    How?

    It was the writers who probably decided it was best to erase his heroic death and perfect character arc for him to come back in season 2 and have likely no purpose at all in the story, besides from blatant fanservice, to which he will eventually die a gruesome death, undeserving of his character.

    You asked for this, folks. :p
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    If that is the case then I will pretty much say it would have been better to die now, but until then we won't know, I hope if they bring him back he will have meaning and add something.
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    That would be appreciated Bioshock... :D
  • TTaing987TTaing987
    edited August 2013
    I'd rather Kenny's death remain ambiguous.

    Kinda like it that way actually.
  • HarpadarpaHarpadarpa
    edited August 2013
    He's served his purpose, gone through his character arc, now let's let the poor fucker rest in pieces, huh? I agree with TT.
  • Omid's catOmid's cat Banned
    edited August 2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Objn0IiL9o
  • HarpadarpaHarpadarpa
    edited August 2013
    He didn't have zombie juice all over him like Lee and Clem did.
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    I couldn't bear his fate being ambiguous to be honest, I'd rather run into zombie Kenny and just accept the emotional devastation then to not know at all... And despite some people wanting his fate to remain ambiguous, Telltale have already said that's not gonna happen... We the fans need closure no matter sad it may be...
  • HarpadarpaHarpadarpa
    edited August 2013
    Unfortunately, that's true. I hope this whole "KENNY IS ALIVE!" thing doesn't affect telltale, like they've learned their lesson for having ambiguous deaths. Never again, now we must witness every second of it or see the corpse.
  • TTaing987TTaing987
    edited August 2013
    Ahhhhh
    You guys are right actually.
    I wouldn't say Carley's death was ambiguous though.
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    Harpadarpa wrote: »
    Unfortunately, that's true. I hope this whole "KENNY IS ALIVE!" thing doesn't affect telltale, like they've learned their lesson for having ambiguous deaths. Never again, now we must witness every second of it or see the corpse.

    I genuinely laughed hard when reading this! But I do agree, I'd rather watch an ally be ripped apart than to not see a thing and leave it all to the mind... That'd mess with my head too much... Either you kill them in front of me or show me a damn body...
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    TTaing987 wrote: »
    Ahhhhh
    You guys are right actually.
    I wouldn't say Carley's death was ambiguous though.

    Actually to some their fate was ambiguous, depending on the person... Don't you remember how many people were saying they thought they survived the bullet and passed out or something like that? I personally think that's why they showed their bodies in 400 days, to prove that they were dead...
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    I agree, Carley was not ambiguous at all, but to just reinforce that they showed us what was left 200 plus days later.
  • TTaing987TTaing987
    edited August 2013
    I wasn't around the forums when Episode 3 came out.
    But I know how bad the Carley death denial was
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    Yep, it was pretty bad, and all because she was well liked, not because there was any proof, just goes to show how much people care about these characters.
  • HarpadarpaHarpadarpa
    edited August 2013
    VentingSylar wrote: »
    I genuinely laughed hard when reading this! But I do agree, I'd rather watch an ally be ripped apart than to not see a thing and leave it all to the mind... That'd mess with my head too much... Either you kill them in front of me or show me a damn body...

    That's the point of an ambiguous death...
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    Denial is a force stronger than procrastination that can only be broken with hardcore evidence... Also I'm glad people are discussing this, as I wanted some opinions on the matter and for some just general discussions to be formed...
  • TeamKennyAlwaysTeamKennyAlways
    edited August 2013
    Hi um you probably figured I turn up sooner or later. So how I think Kenny survived, I'm gonna be serious for once :p. In the Ben scene he could have climbed through a window, he couldn't climb down a manhole even if there was one because, Lee couldn't lift it with his bear hands he needed something to pry it open e.g Hilda. Analysis of the alleyway shows that it is a confine space, with little chance of escaping when walkers are coming from every angle, but there were buildings with possible windows or even a door. Now think about Kenny, there were never any signs of him being bitten, in this scene there were sounds of walkers eating but they could have been eating Ben's corpse.

    Now the Christa scene. Analysis of the building, it's a larger area than the alleyway meaning he could avoid walkers. It's dark so it would be hard for Kenny to find a way out with no light source apart from the hole in the roof where he came from. There could have been a door, an easier way for him to escape compared to the alleyway. Now Kenny, again he was never seen being bitten by any walker, there were no sounds of walkers eating, he had at least five bullets and was able to defend himself and by time.

    So Kenny could have escaped, I believe he made it out, and I won't stop believing so stop trying to convince me he's dead! *cough Harpadarpa *cough. You know this has been my most serious post yet.
  • I Waste My TimeI Waste My Time
    edited August 2013
    i guess we'll find out soon enough.

    I like to believe his fate was determinent. There was a low chance of him getting out with the ben situation. But with Christa it seems possible.
  • HarpadarpaHarpadarpa
    edited August 2013
    TeamKennyAlways wrote: »
    Hi um you probably figured I turn up sooner or later. So how I think Kenny survived, I'm gonna be serious for once :p. In the Ben scene he could have climbed through a window, he couldn't climb down a manhole even if there was one because, Lee couldn't lift it with his bear hands he needed something to pry it open e.g Hilda. Analysis of the alleyway shows that it is a confine space, with little chance of escaping when walkers are coming from every angle, but there were buildings with possible windows or even a door. Now think about Kenny, there were never any signs of him being bitten, in this scene there were sounds of walkers eating but they could have been eating Ben's corpse.

    Now the Christa scene. Analysis of the building, it's a larger area than the alleyway meaning he could avoid walkers. It's dark so it would be hard for Kenny to find a way out with no light source apart from the hole in the roof where he came from. There could have been a door, an easier way for him to escape compared to the alleyway. Now Kenny, again he was never seen being bitten by any walker, there were no sounds of walkers eating, he had at least five bullets and was able to defend himself and by time.

    So Kenny could have escaped, I believe he made it out, and I won't stop believing so stop trying to convince me he's dead! *cough Harpadarpa *cough. You know this has been my most serious post yet.

    Alright, lemme rip this up real quick.

    Ben scene: You get a fairly clear view of the alleyway, showing nothing but walls and that lone gate area that, by the way, why did that exist? I've never seen anything like that... Sorry off topic.

    Christa scene: Yes he has the 5 bullets, but the game would've made it a point of letting us hear it, just to add to Kenny's fall :( He has a bit more of a chance here, but even if he found a door, how would he know it's a door unless he jammed his entire body on the wall? Or if the door was open, in which case, he'd be jumped by more walkers who could've heard him from a mile away. Also, "GET OFF OF ME!"
  • HarpadarpaHarpadarpa
    edited August 2013
    TeamKennyAlways wrote: »
    Hi um you probably figured I turn up sooner or later. So how I think Kenny survived, I'm gonna be serious for once :p. In the Ben scene he could have climbed through a window, he couldn't climb down a manhole even if there was one because, Lee couldn't lift it with his bear hands he needed something to pry it open e.g Hilda. Analysis of the alleyway shows that it is a confine space, with little chance of escaping when walkers are coming from every angle, but there were buildings with possible windows or even a door. Now think about Kenny, there were never any signs of him being bitten, in this scene there were sounds of walkers eating but they could have been eating Ben's corpse.

    Now the Christa scene. Analysis of the building, it's a larger area than the alleyway meaning he could avoid walkers. It's dark so it would be hard for Kenny to find a way out with no light source apart from the hole in the roof where he came from. There could have been a door, an easier way for him to escape compared to the alleyway. Now Kenny, again he was never seen being bitten by any walker, there were no sounds of walkers eating, he had at least five bullets and was able to defend himself and by time.

    So Kenny could have escaped, I believe he made it out, and I won't stop believing so stop trying to convince me he's dead! *cough Harpadarpa *cough. You know this has been my most serious post yet.

    Alright, lemme rip this up real quick.

    Ben scene: You get a fairly clear view of the alleyway, showing nothing but walls and that lone gate area that, by the way, why did that exist? I've never seen anything like that... Sorry off topic.

    Christa scene: Yes he has the 5 bullets, but the game would've made it a point of letting us hear it, just to add to Kenny's fall :( He has a bit more of a chance here, but even if he found a door, how would he know it's a door unless he jammed his entire body on the wall? Or if the door was open, in which case, he'd be jumped by more walkers who could've heard him from a mile away. Also, "GET OFF OF ME!"
  • CrunchyCrunchy
    edited August 2013
    Seriously guys there is no way that Kenny is alive. Even if he could have escaped through a window or something why would he? He could have easily escaped with Lee instead of locking him in that gate bit but instead he decided to stay with Ben while he died. If he was going to get out of there he would have done it straight away.
    I haven't ever played the different ending so I guess it could be determinant but that's the best outcome I can see for the Kenny fans amongst us.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    He could've go in a man hole, go into an open window...
  • ZacTBZacTB
    edited August 2013
    If he is gonna survive, I like the explanation that he went through a manhole, or that Molly saved him. Or that he went into the man hole and found Molly who later helped him out of the city.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    Yay i'm not the only not english here!
  • TTaing987TTaing987
    edited August 2013
    TheGamingSquadMC wrote: »
    well why didnt christa and omid didnt see something?

    They were banging xD
    Or just doing whatever couples do in an apocalypse
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    Cany0udance wrote: »
    There were windows in the alley.

    After re watching the Christa scene many times, I saw that there were doors leading to even darker rooms. They are hard to spot, since they blend in with he darkness.

    You need to try and get someone on Youtube to highlight that... That way the Kenny is dead naysayers will be more convinced that he is alive...
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    I agree, find a video that highlights those doors, I believe it.
  • Chrono85Chrono85
    edited August 2013
    It would be much more interesting to have Kenny survive to encounter Clementine again in Season 2, especially if you told Christa and Omid that you waned Kenny to become her caretaker. This could set up an interesting situation of all of these characters are together, and Christa and Omid have to consider honering Lee's wishes, even if they have grown attached to Clementine.
  • YertosYertos
    edited August 2013
    VentingSylar wrote: »
    I genuinely laughed hard when reading this! But I do agree, I'd rather watch an ally be ripped apart than to not see a thing and leave it all to the mind... That'd mess with my head too much... Either you kill them in front of me or show me a damn body...

    I like the way they handled Kenny's death if it really happened. I would prefer deaths like this because it's more believable and realistic. Odds are if you really were in TWD, people are dying all the time and you're not always gonna witness first hand every death. Sometimes people die suddenly when you're not around. I like it this way because as a player, who normally has outside knowledge from the character, know only a what the character knows.

    Example: Lee never sees Kenny die. So we as the player also never see him die. Either he survives and we don't see how because we weren't there, or he died and we never see it actually happen. Worst thing they could do is show a scene with just Kenny getting killed.
  • VentingSylarVentingSylar
    edited August 2013
    Yertos wrote: »
    I like the way they handled Kenny's death if it really happened. I would prefer deaths like this because it's more believable and realistic. Odds are if you really were in TWD, people are dying all the time and you're not always gonna witness first hand every death. Sometimes people die suddenly when you're not around. I like it this way because as a player, who normally has outside knowledge from the character, know only a what the character knows.

    Example: Lee never sees Kenny die. So we as the player also never see him die. Either he survives and we don't see how because we weren't there, or he died and we never see it actually happen. Worst thing they could do is show a scene with just Kenny getting killed.

    Well let me provide an example on why we the fans need closure... Example: We never see Chuck die just like we never see Kenny die... But we find his body, and while it makes me sad, it gave me closure knowing what happened to him... I hope they treat Kenny's fate in the same manner as Chuck's... Whether be alive, dead, or walker...
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited August 2013
    I do agree, that answer to easily the greatest question in the Walking Dead season 1 can and only will be answered by Telltale.
  • DomeWing333DomeWing333
    edited August 2013
    You guys aren't gonna like this quote from Giant Bomb's Faces of Death: 400 Days:
    GB: With some of the choices, the consequences are pretty immediate, and someone dies in the most extreme cases. In this case, you make your choice and it’s not really clear what happens. Here, you’ve left him behind, but there’s a lot of ambiguity for the player about what the result of that choice is.

    Darin: For me, that was an important part of the way we were structuring these stories. We knew were only getting 15 or 20-minute chunks, and we weren’t going to have the space to explore what happens next, although we wanted to give you enough information and enough narrative meat to really think about what it is that’s happening. What would I do in this situation? And then continue to ponder that after the chapter ends. You don’t really know where it ended up, but you have a pretty good idea where it’s heading, and you can finish the story on your own. It’s probably very similar to what would actually happen. We don’t need to give you that closure. Plus, we can leave some of it open to interpretation and allow discussion between people about what they think would happen. I think that is a really interesting thing to leave with players.

    Ainsworth: It’s really interesting to watch the way people react to it. We have a certain idea about what might happen, but it’s not necessarily the canon idea until it is. It’s really interesting to hear people discuss it, and the interesting thing, too, is that life is messier than that. You make a decision, and you may not see the ramifications of it for a very long time or never. It might affect somebody else, but you might not see those ramifications. It feels a little truer to life.
  • HarpadarpaHarpadarpa
    edited August 2013
    In Ben's scene, Kenny was swarmed, no way out. No door, or manhole (which is less likely, because manholes have to be pried with a tool or opened from underneath, and Vernon's group probably tended to close the manholes after themselves. That's the only explanation as to why they never found any open manholes.

    Christa's scene, there were a fair amount of zombies, probably the same amount as Lee fought (as in, had the option to kill) on the way to the Marsh house, but it was pitch black, and Kenny ran out of bullets. As we all know, he's piss poor at hand to hand fighting, and just 2 to 3 minutes ago, he was drinking.

    In short, I think he's dead as every walker you come across.

    EDIT: Also, nice little tidbit there, Dome.
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