Am I The only one who thinks they died at the right time?

edited August 2013 in The Walking Dead
Am I the only one thinks Carley and Doug died at the right point in the story. Everyone when asked about extending characters or one disappointment is when they died or that it was badly done (or at least what I've see anyway).

Yes I really liked Doug and Carley was cool too on her play through; they were the only characters who were completely solid during the story however there usefulness to the plot was limited which is why they were killed. (same as Kat and Duck really)

Yes I know they could have made potential but by killing them they gave Lilly a way to a leave (like she originally had to) and gave way for more characters to enter or give other characters more space to grow.

So yes while having Carley flirt with you or Doug make odd comments for the rest of the game would have been more fun for the player would it have made the game better? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't and plus I believe that scene on the side of the road is one of the best in the game.

I know some people were mad about the character decision being taken away but that can't have been expected to go on forever.

So does anyone agree it was the right time (plot wise) for them to die?
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  • edited August 2013
    Only Carley, she had been useful, but Doug could've gone on longer. He was never as useful as Carley. I just wish they made taking Doug not the wrong option.
  • edited August 2013
    Yeah, if Carley lived longer everything could've changed, even Lee could stay alive.
  • edited August 2013
    Harpadarpa wrote: »
    Only Carley, she had been useful, but Doug could've gone on longer. He was never as useful as Carley. I just wish they made taking Doug not the wrong option.

    I can't disagree with you there; I dunno maybe Doug stands in front of Lilly in between her and Ben and calms her down. He seemed more sympathetic to her than Carley...

    That said saving Ben like that was a total hero move; I've always preferred the Doug version of that scene compared to Carley who just yells at Lilly and gets shot... maybe just because I saw the Doug one first and you don't even see her pulling the gun in that one.
  • edited August 2013
    I liked the Carley one more, but that was also the first one I saw to, I guess whichever version you find first is the real version to whoever played.
  • edited August 2013
    I can't disagree with you there; I dunno maybe Doug stands in front of Lilly in between her and Ben and calms her down. He seemed more sympathetic to her than Carley...

    That said saving Ben like that was a total hero move; I've always preferred the Doug version of that scene compared to Carley who just yells at Lilly and gets shot... maybe just because I saw the Doug one first and you don't even see her pulling the gun in that one.

    She didn't yalled at Lilly, she talked.
    You can see Lilly pulling the gun at Ben and Doug saves him. Doug is useless.
    And to the creator- when 1000 of people yalled "noooo!" you yalled "yes!!"
  • edited August 2013
    Now now let's calm down . Both Carley and Doug were useful . No need to say that him or her were useless . I think we shouldn't bash these characters .
  • edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    She didn't yalled at Lilly, she talked.
    You can see Lilly pulling the gun at Ben and Doug saves him. Doug is useless.

    I'm not arguing which one is better... she talked angrily at her then.

    Oh and in the Doug one you only see Lilly's arm move not like in the Carley one where she actually reaches for the gun. Doug's bulk blocks your view :D
  • edited August 2013
    Look. here's just a thing. I'm gettting annoyed at Fabi calling Doug useless.

    Frankly, i think Doug should've lived longer. while Carley couldn't get more for the plot. Doug didn't have enough development, they cut him out too short. With Lee having told everyone what he did. Carley had no other purpose.
  • edited August 2013
    Look. here's just a thing. I'm gettting annoyed at Fabi calling Doug useless.

    Frankly, i think Doug should've lived longer. while Carley couldn't get more for the plot. Doug didn't have enough development, they cut him out too short. With Lee having told everyone what he did. Carley had no other purpose.

    That's a little harsh too. Though your saying it more balanced than he is. Carley still had potential in other ways such as her romance though doing that without it being taking away the tension in some moments would be difficult
  • edited August 2013
    Now now let's calm down . Both Carley and Doug were useful . No need to say that him or her were useless . I think we shouldn't bash these characters .

    I love Doug, but everything Doug did was not as good as Carley's version.
  • edited August 2013
    See, this is the reason why loved episode 3. Many character arcs ended, and many started. It was more of a complete change of setting and characters.

    Personally, it's hard for me to see Carley/Doug surviving past that scene without it seeming like a poorly written fanfic. :o

    Oh, and I saved Carley, but Doug has his pros as well. While Carley sits away feeling sorry for herself, Doug gets to work and makes a bell system. Not only that, he fixes the RV during the bandit attack so you can get out quicker. Ah, what a cool guy.
  • edited August 2013
    I'm not arguing which one is better... she talked angrily at her then.

    Oh and in the Doug one you only see Lilly's arm move not like in the Carley one where she actually reaches for the gun. Doug's bulk blocks your view :D

    All the people who played this game didn't thought she moved her hand behind her back to shoot her.
  • edited August 2013
    Zeruis wrote: »
    See, this is the reason why loved episode 3. Many character arcs ended, and many started. It was more of a complete change of setting and characters.

    Personally, it's hard for me to see Carley/Doug surviving past that scene without it seeming like a poorly written fanfic. :o

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    it would've be awesome if Carley survived. Not everyone have to die to make the story sadder.
  • edited August 2013
    Doug- Doug Didn't see the Bullet and Ben got Shot.

    Carley- Good point.
  • edited August 2013
    Harpadarpa wrote: »
    I love Doug, but everything Doug did was not as good as Carley's version.

    Well I am saying this because I don't want this thread to turn into another " Doug Vs Carley " thread and make insults like " Carley can't use batteries and deserved to die " " She is a bitch and Doug is a hero " " Doug is shit ! " Carley deserved to be killed by Lilly and Doug deserved to live " .
  • edited August 2013
    Doug could've survived at least until the beginning of episode 4. His character arc was incomplete at best.
  • edited August 2013
    It dosen't matter how much he survive, he never talkes.
  • edited August 2013
    Harpadarpa wrote: »
    Doug could've survived at least until the beginning of episode 4. His character arc was incomplete at best.

    I'm not sure I'd like him to live longer but it really went

    Feels sort of useful
    Feels useful
    Feels useless
    Saves Ben/ Hero

    I think maybe he could have lived to fix the train (I just imagine him pressing all the train switches on when Lee and Kenny are struggling)
    The when the walker herd come at the end of EP 3 he gets left behind or something
  • edited August 2013
    look up the doug was changing thing.

    Telltale added some development to Doug in episode 3, he started acting more aggressive. and started to use weapons and talk more.

    It's just that While he was in the nmiddle of his change He jumpe din the way of Ben's Bullet, who knows how he would've changed personality-wise during the rest of episode 3.
  • edited August 2013
    Or maybe he helps you cut down the tanker, and can't jump. He actually would've had a good chance of survival.
  • edited August 2013
    look up the doug was changing thing.

    Telltale added some development to Doug in episode 3, he started acting more aggressive. and started to use weapons and talk more.

    It's just that While he was in the nmiddle of his change He jumpe din the way of Ben's Bullet, who knows how he would've changed personality-wise during the rest of episode 3.

    Well if Doug lived , when Lilly spills the secret about Lee , Doug would be angry with Lee for letting Carley die because she knew his secret and might hate Lee for that .
  • edited August 2013
    So everyone here saved Doug? no love for Car?!
  • edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    So everyone here saved Doug? no love for Car?!

    I saved Carley and I respect Doug .
  • edited August 2013
    Well if Doug lived , when Lilly spills the secret about Lee , Doug would be angry with Lee for letting Carley die because she knew his secret and might hate Lee for that .

    Lilly never said Carley knew.

    Carley's alright, but Doug is way cooler.
  • edited August 2013
    70% of people saved Carley.

    only about 28 saved Doug.

    I Like Carley. I saved Doug on my first cause he was in a more dire situation.I saved Carley on my second. But Doug's still my number 2. Carley's aroudn 5.

    I like under-rated characters.
  • edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    So everyone here saved Doug? no love for Car?!

    Did you read my post, Fabi? :p
  • edited August 2013
    Harpadarpa wrote: »
    Lilly never said Carley knew.

    Carley's alright, but Doug is way cooler.

    Yeah , but after Lilly says the secret , I think Doug would say something like " Lee , Why did you exactly save me instead of Carley ? " and Lee would say that Carley knew his secret .
  • edited August 2013
    Exept you.
    If Carley has survived longer she and Lee could've be together.
  • edited August 2013
    Yeah , but after Lilly says the secret , I think Doug would say something like " Lee , Why did you exactly save me instead of Carley ? " and Lee would say that Carley knew his secret .

    And Carley will smile knowing he did tell them.
  • edited August 2013
    Why would he think of that? It just doesn't make sense. Maybe it would be something you could say on the RV.
  • edited August 2013
    70% of people saved Carley.

    only about 28 saved Doug.

    I Like Carley. I saved Doug on my first cause he was in a more dire situation.I saved Carley on my second. But Doug's still my number 2. Carley's aroudn 5.

    I like under-rated characters.

    Yes I totally agree. I really like underrated characters too. :). Well except Kaiden from Mass effect ... sorry Kaiden
    Oh and to the guy who asked Carley's fine I don't dislike her I just prefer Doug
  • edited August 2013
    Not sure about Doug, haven't played with him surviving, but Carley's character arc was not done in my opinion. I can easily imagine her reaching the final episode along the likes of Kenny, Christa and Omid. And no, I honestly don't think that would make the story cliche or, as someone said, similar to a poorly written fanfic. If other games can incorporate a romance plot without making it overly sweet or cliche, I have every confidence Telltale can as well.

    In fact, I feel quite the opposite. Had Carley not had the unlucky fate of being a choice character in episode 1 (say, like Katjaa, her fate would be indeterminant of the players choices), she would have survived far longer. I feel like her (and Doug's) death was done so the developers wouldn't have to continue making two different story paths. Let's face it, the episode 1 end choice was the only choice that truly changed something BIG in the story. Guess they didn't want the paths to diverge too far. Especially given the complete difference in said characters. So, they took the easy route and offed them early. After that point, apart from Ben choice, the story was more or less a linear path with very slight differences in between.
  • edited August 2013
    I still don't get it. He does nothing, just builds a bell thing, while Carley pointing the gun at them [st. johnes]
  • edited August 2013
    I do still think if they were to extend Doug's he had potential in that area of Carley being left as she knew lee's secret and would have made him feel worse. If they did both maybe Carley felt like he saved her just for her weapon or something (I'm not saying that is actually the reason maybe they just feel that way)

    Still though with the pair dead it gives Ben lots of time to have more screentime.
  • edited August 2013
    Not sure about Doug, haven't played with him surviving, but Carley's character arc was not done in my opinion. I can easily imagine her reaching the final episode along the likes of Kenny, Christa and Omid. And no, I honestly don't think that would make the story cliche or, as someone said, similar to a poorly written fanfic. If other games can incorporate a romance plot without making it overly sweet or cliche, I have every confidence Telltale can as well.

    In fact, I feel quite the opposite. Had Carley not had the unlucky fate of being a choice character in episode 1 (say, like Katjaa, her fate would be indeterminant of the players choices), she would have survived far longer. I feel like her (and Doug's) death was done so the developers wouldn't have to continue making two different story paths. Let's face it, the episode 1 end choice was the only choice that truly changed something BIG in the story. Guess they didn't want the paths to diverge too far. Especially given the complete difference in said characters. So, they took the easy route and offed them early. After that point, apart from Ben choice, the story was more or less a linear path with very slight differences in between.

    Yeah . I'm kinda annoyed how Omid and Christa get the " YOU LIVE " card in season 1 while Doug/Carley get the " YOU DIE " card . I mean , Omid and Christa were just some random strangers who we met on the road and yet they somehow survive this season while the entire group dies well except for Clem and Kenny ( maybe ) . Wish they survived with Omid and Christa .
  • edited August 2013
    Jesus, so many new fucking responses. Velociraptor dude, you're right.
  • edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    I still don't get it. He does nothing, just builds a bell thing, while Carley pointing the gun at them [st. johnes]

    They were both Cut Short.

    Doug was turning into a Male Carley with More Brains.

    Carley was carley all along.

    They both died at teh same time.
  • edited August 2013
    Doug was becoming a badass.
  • edited August 2013
    I know nobody wanted them to die ... I didn't I'm just saying story wise there use was up. With Omid and Christa they were strangers and we had a good Arc of them coming to trust us and vice versa (well Christa anyway)
  • edited August 2013
    Yeah . I'm kinda annoyed how Omid and Christa get the " YOU LIVE " card in season 1 while Doug/Carley get the " YOU DIE " card . I mean , Omid and Christa were just some random strangers who we met on the road and yet they somehow survive this season while the entire group dies well except for Clem and Kenny ( maybe ) . Wish they survived with Omid and Christa .

    Yup. I hated the fact that Omid and Christa were the only survivors of the group and not a single person from the original drugstore band made it through (I think Kenny's dead). Except Clementine, of course. But she was obviously going to have plot armor throughout the game, so she doesn't count.

    I'd much rather if either Omid or Christa were offed, with only one being graced with making it to the other season, while in the other's place one of the original group members would survive. I don't really care who, but it would have made me care infinitely more in the game's end.
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