It is a misunderstanding that feminist gamers would ask for 50% female characters in games. "Strength in numbers" is about the last thing to b… moree concerned about.
What we should protest against is the stereotypical and derogatory roles of women in video games. In Telltale's game however, there's quite a diversity noticable. These diverse characters do have their stereotypes too, but I think that situation is comparable to the male characters.
What feminists like Anita Sarkeesian do ask for are more female protagonists in games... which we'll get in Season 2.
Is it completely wrong to merely point it out when the figures in a 'realistic' game are so far from reality?
I'm not asking for 50% female… more characters at all.
However, having them be slightly closer to real percentages would be nice, as 2x as many is quite a lot.
All right, I'm closing this thread immediately if the "How black is Clementine" discussion doesn't stop. We've had enough of those threads, every single one had to be closed because some members obviously aren't able to cope with such a discussion without insulting the fuck out of other members, and it's absolutely not the topic here.
Same here. Which is why the gender ratio doesn't bother me.
Really, if there weren't so many other aspects of the series which are obviously excellent viewed from the perspective of gender equality, this 'problem' might bother me a bit more. As it stands, it seems a bit petty. They can produce a wide variety of female characters with their own personalities, motives and issues, who exist outside the orbit of the male protagonist in a way Hollywood often fails spectacularly to achieve, then follow up with a second season that has a girl as the protagonist, and yet Telltale is being criticized because they ended up with a larger number of male characters than female for Season 1?
About twice as many male characters as female doesn't bother me. If Season 2 has the reverse, it won't bother me, either, but neither will it make me feel Telltale is being more 'progressive'. I don't want them sitting around debating whether they have their quota of a certain type of character, be it based on gender or race or whatever else. I just want them to make interesting characters.
I'm sorry, but I just don't think the disparity between the male and female characters here is as huge as you're making it out to be.
Do a … morehandful of bit part characters like Shaun and Glenn being male really hurt the standing of the well developed female characters in the group?
Why do you get upset over people talking race and racism? Telltale have an open community. it's a part of life, to act as if racism don't happen everyday all over the world is incorrect. That's why we have racism now.
All right, I'm closing this thread immediately if the "How black is Clementine" discussion doesn't stop. We've had enough of those threads, ev… moreery single one had to be closed because some members obviously aren't able to cope with such a discussion without insulting the fuck out of other members, and it's absolutely not the topic here.
I'm cleaning up some of the comments here.
Why do you get upset over people talking race and racism? Telltale have an open community. it's a part of life, to act as if racism don't happen everyday all over the world is incorrect. That's why we have racism now.
Fun Fact: If you don't consider societal issues relevant to any part of consumptive media, chances are you're already being catered to. Media isn't created in a vacuum. Real life shapes the context within which these things are written.
Well you know, by "gender stuff" I mean all those societal issues that are no doubt fundamental to the quality of video games...
I just can… more't wait for the exciting whole new opportunites season 2 will give us to discuss the degree of sexism in these or those player decisions, the subconscious prejudice behind the criticism against this or that character, wether some choices hinder the empowerment of Clementine and God knows what else
The point of the game isn't "females" either. This ratio thing is, quite honestly, unimportant. Out of a sample size so small it doesn't really matter. TellTale isn't in some huge conspiracy where men are the only ones who can survive, it was just luck of the draw. They came up with the idea of the character, and part of the character was that he was a man. Could Ben have been a girl? Probably, I would see no difference, and I don't think my opinion would change much. But please stop grasping at straws when there bigger problems to tackle. ESPECIALLY if your talking about video games - there are bigger violators out there.
Um excuse me sir, you're now overdoing it there isn't 27 males and 3 females in the first place! Yeah hell peolpe would notice then but there isn't. And your making it worse by ranting about gender in group being close to 50% 50%.
I do agree with pretty much everything you say, at a basic level. However, if these things were reversed or amplified, I doubt that people wou… moreld ignore it as they pretty much have with this issue.
Would people notice if there were 20 black people and 8 white people?
Would people be okay with it if there were 27 gay characters and 3 straight ones, just because the main character happened to meet them? Something tells me that in this situation, people would say 'that's statistically unlikely'.
Well so is the gender issue here.
But I do completely understand what you mean, and I'm fully behind letting Telltale write the game as they see fit. I've just seen female characters misused, over-sexualised, or vastly under-represented (this game is a saint compared to others in that regard; yes I am looking at you Far Cry 3, Assassin's Creed and Just Cause) too much in modern games, films and TV shows, and it's made me a bit bitter
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Is it completely wrong to merely point it out when the figures in a 'realistic' game are so far from reality?
I'm not asking for 50% female characters at all.
However, having them be slightly closer to real percentages would be nice, as 2x as many is quite a lot.
feminists are as bad as misogynists
Feminism: 'The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes'. How is that bad?
I don't think men are better than women, nor do I think women are better than men.
Black + White != Black.
If her father is black and mother white, why wouldn't she be seen as white just as well?
We don't for sure what her mother is, she could be black white or japanese. but we know for sure clementines daddy is black.
Here's the reason:
When a zombie apocalypse happens:
Men: Grabs the most nearby weapon, gathers his family/friends and gets somewhere safe.
Woman: Hides in closet and cries.
JK. I made this post just for fun, so no hate guys.
I'm sorry, but I just don't think the disparity between the male and female characters here is as huge as you're making it out to be.
Do a handful of bit part characters like Shaun and Glenn being male really hurt the standing of the well developed female characters in the group?
All right, I'm closing this thread immediately if the "How black is Clementine" discussion doesn't stop. We've had enough of those threads, every single one had to be closed because some members obviously aren't able to cope with such a discussion without insulting the fuck out of other members, and it's absolutely not the topic here.
I'm cleaning up some of the comments here.
Same here. Which is why the gender ratio doesn't bother me.
Really, if there weren't so many other aspects of the series which are obviously excellent viewed from the perspective of gender equality, this 'problem' might bother me a bit more. As it stands, it seems a bit petty. They can produce a wide variety of female characters with their own personalities, motives and issues, who exist outside the orbit of the male protagonist in a way Hollywood often fails spectacularly to achieve, then follow up with a second season that has a girl as the protagonist, and yet Telltale is being criticized because they ended up with a larger number of male characters than female for Season 1?
About twice as many male characters as female doesn't bother me. If Season 2 has the reverse, it won't bother me, either, but neither will it make me feel Telltale is being more 'progressive'. I don't want them sitting around debating whether they have their quota of a certain type of character, be it based on gender or race or whatever else. I just want them to make interesting characters.
Even when removing them there is a notable difference
Why do you get upset over people talking race and racism? Telltale have an open community. it's a part of life, to act as if racism don't happen everyday all over the world is incorrect. That's why we have racism now.
He's not saying that it's bad to talk about race, he's saying that the people on the threads he closed were talking about it immaturely.
You think this is bad. There are more than 1000 walkers and only about 25 living people. Sexism is the least of our worries it seems.
I don't understand, the point of the game is zombies, so of course there will be loads.
The point of the game isn't 'males'.
Fun Fact: If you don't consider societal issues relevant to any part of consumptive media, chances are you're already being catered to. Media isn't created in a vacuum. Real life shapes the context within which these things are written.
The point of the game isn't "females" either. This ratio thing is, quite honestly, unimportant. Out of a sample size so small it doesn't really matter. TellTale isn't in some huge conspiracy where men are the only ones who can survive, it was just luck of the draw. They came up with the idea of the character, and part of the character was that he was a man. Could Ben have been a girl? Probably, I would see no difference, and I don't think my opinion would change much. But please stop grasping at straws when there bigger problems to tackle. ESPECIALLY if your talking about video games - there are bigger violators out there.
Um excuse me sir, you're now overdoing it there isn't 27 males and 3 females in the first place! Yeah hell peolpe would notice then but there isn't. And your making it worse by ranting about gender in group being close to 50% 50%.