Yeah, I know they weren't. That's actually what I was saying. But do you still not find it a bit strange Luke is credited before them two? Why… more him? What makes him stand out? While I'm pretty confident he'll be the deuteragonist I'm not going to say for certain. Still strange though.
Didn't really pay attention to my post at all did you? All you did was post something I actually brought up in the original post. It's alphabe… moretical in 400 Days. And in Season One, it's Lee and Clem. In Season Two it's Clem, Luke, Christa and Omid. And THEN it's alphabetical. Why would Luke get the one exception unless he plays a bigger role than most of the other cabin survivors?
What? No, that's kinda a weird theory there. The reason why she's credited first is because she's the game's protagonist and player character. Which Lee was in Season One with Clementine being the deuteragonist.
I like Luke. At first I got angry when he flat out dropped clem ( I understand why ). But he was a jerk to her right before she passed out. But then he was nice when they got to the house, siding with clem. I also loved the conversation they had and I thought right away clem is going to be talking to Luke a lot.
I like Luke. At first I got angry when he flat out dropped clem ( I understand why ). But he was a jerk to her right before she passed out. Bu… moret then he was nice when they got to the house, siding with clem. I also loved the conversation they had and I thought right away clem is going to be talking to Luke a lot.
Finally,a hypothesis thread that doesn't talk about nonsense of kenny.I also like this luke character,and his initial action of dropping clementine was understandable,but it turns out he's being the closest & the most sympathetic character to clem
He had every reason to drop Clem since he thought she was bitten, remember when they saved her she did had a walker right on her.
From all of the group he seems nicest to her, so i can imagine them working together in future episodes. Besides i don't think Telltale will send her off alone to face everything, not without someone she could trust.
He had every reason to drop Clem since he thought she was bitten, remember when they saved her she did had a walker right on her.
From all o… moref the group he seems nicest to her, so i can imagine them working together in future episodes. Besides i don't think Telltale will send her off alone to face everything, not without someone she could trust.
It's like a secondary protagonist or the protagonist's sidekick/companion. The second most important character. Kinda like what Clem was to Lee in Season 1.
It's like a secondary protagonist or the protagonist's sidekick/companion. The second most important character. Kinda like what Clem was to Lee in Season 1.
Hm... If it is true that Luke will ''show his true colours'' in ep. 2. Think about this: If he is second place after Clem in the credits, what… more if he is actually the main antagonist of this Season? What if he is Carver? In some movies and games the second character in credits could be the main antagonist as well. Of course this is just my idea, it could a little dumb, really. But I just sometimes like seeing things the other way and proposing it to other people.
What? No, that's kinda a weird theory there. The reason why she's credited first is because she's the game's protagonist and player character. Which Lee was in Season One with Clementine being the deuteragonist.
I remember there was a movie/video game with similar twist. There is this guy all polite and nice ready to help, and then at the middle of the story BAM.. He is a psycho/maniac leading some crazy group likes to torture people in every way possible. Then the protagonist angers him in some way and then he starts chasing him/her until the end.
The theory holds some weight. Especially after looking up the meanings of "Lee" and "Clementine".
I think that the reason he lacks connection in the group is to help encourage a brother/sister bond between himself and Clementine. Clementine doesn't have any connections to the group either. They are the odd ones out.
Remember the original plan for season 1, where we would play as Clementine's brother rather than her surrogate father? Now is as good a time as any to reattempt that. Season 2 won't be as impactful if Clementine is the only character that we are able to root for and connect with. It will degenerate into pure misery porn. None of the other members of the group have the same potential, other than Sarah with the right character arc and possibly Nick if he gets his shit together (doubtful). I think the "Evil Luke" theories are just grasping for straws, and I will be disappointed if Telltale takes that route as they will ruin the potential of the character. It would feel like a forced conflict to me.
Yes I agree, as I've and I think one or two others have noticed, Luke is credited 2nd on the cast list above even Christa and Omid and the other cabin survivors. I personally think he will be a main character throughout this season and could very well be looked up to by Clem like a brother if they become close friends. Exciting times ahead I hope!
The theory holds some weight. Especially after looking up the meanings of "Lee" and "Clementine".
I think that the reason he lacks connect… moreion in the group is to help encourage a brother/sister bond between himself and Clementine. Clementine doesn't have any connections to the group either. They are the odd ones out.
Remember the original plan for season 1, where we would play as Clementine's brother rather than her surrogate father? Now is as good a time as any to reattempt that. Season 2 won't be as impactful if Clementine is the only character that we are able to root for and connect with. It will degenerate into pure misery porn. None of the other members of the group have the same potential, other than Sarah with the right character arc and possibly Nick if he gets his shit together (doubtful). I think the "Evil Luke" theories are just grasping for straws, and I will be disappointed if Telltale takes that route as they will ruin the potential of the character. It would feel like a forced conflict to me.
Some people believe that since Luke doesn't have any family in the cabin, he can't be trusted. There are individuals who actually aspire to Luke betraying the group or a scenario arising that alters Luke's good-nature for the worse. The thing about that is, it's already been done by Kenny in episode 2. Why would they do that again to Luke? Don't you think that would be a bit repetitive and predictable? In my humble opinion, I believe it's for the best that Luke has no living relatives.
It seems like when a character in the group has kin that are sentient, they often do their own thing. Lee, Clementine, Mark, Carley, Doug, Omid, and Christa's families died, (some presumed dead) yet they were trustworthy and likable people. Generally, characters having living family members is not always desirable since they would constantly be selfish about their loved one's safety no matter whose life is on the line (Lilly, Larry, Kenny, etc.). Besides, it's preferable Luke worry about Clementine and protect her without any family distractions.
The theory holds some weight. Especially after looking up the meanings of "Lee" and "Clementine".
I think that the reason he lacks connect… moreion in the group is to help encourage a brother/sister bond between himself and Clementine. Clementine doesn't have any connections to the group either. They are the odd ones out.
Remember the original plan for season 1, where we would play as Clementine's brother rather than her surrogate father? Now is as good a time as any to reattempt that. Season 2 won't be as impactful if Clementine is the only character that we are able to root for and connect with. It will degenerate into pure misery porn. None of the other members of the group have the same potential, other than Sarah with the right character arc and possibly Nick if he gets his shit together (doubtful). I think the "Evil Luke" theories are just grasping for straws, and I will be disappointed if Telltale takes that route as they will ruin the potential of the character. It would feel like a forced conflict to me.
Some people believe that since Luke doesn't have any family in the cabin, he can't be trusted. There are individuals who actually aspire to Lu… moreke betraying the group or a scenario arising that alters Luke's good-nature for the worse. The thing about that is, it's already been done by Kenny in episode 2. Why would they do that again to Luke? Don't you think that would be a bit repetitive and predictable? In my humble opinion, I believe it's for the best that Luke has no living relatives.
It seems like when a character in the group has kin that are sentient, they often do their own thing. Lee, Clementine, Mark, Carley, Doug, Omid, and Christa's families died, (some presumed dead) yet they were trustworthy and likable people. Generally, characters having living family members is not always desirable since they would constantly be selfish about their loved one's safety no matter whose life is on the line (Lilly, Larry, Kenny, etc.). Besides, it's p… [view original content]
How could I have forgotten about that facepalms. You make a great point about attempting the brother/sister bond again this season.
While you're talking with Luke, and you mention that your parents died (not say that other people took care of you, but directly they died), Luke will mention that he lost his folks too. This would presumably refer to his mom and dad, but my gut tells me he had a younger sister around Clem's age who died early into the outbreak. Luke can't be more than 27 years old at the moment (guess work based on appearance) and it's been 2+ years into the out break. It's definitely possible that when he was 25, he had a younger sister around the age of 11 or 12.
Dead sister or not, I definitely see a brother/sister bond forming between Luke and Clem in this season.
The theory holds some weight. Especially after looking up the meanings of "Lee" and "Clementine".
I think that the reason he lacks connect… moreion in the group is to help encourage a brother/sister bond between himself and Clementine. Clementine doesn't have any connections to the group either. They are the odd ones out.
Remember the original plan for season 1, where we would play as Clementine's brother rather than her surrogate father? Now is as good a time as any to reattempt that. Season 2 won't be as impactful if Clementine is the only character that we are able to root for and connect with. It will degenerate into pure misery porn. None of the other members of the group have the same potential, other than Sarah with the right character arc and possibly Nick if he gets his shit together (doubtful). I think the "Evil Luke" theories are just grasping for straws, and I will be disappointed if Telltale takes that route as they will ruin the potential of the character. It would feel like a forced conflict to me.
Some people believe that since Luke doesn't have any family in the cabin, he can't be trusted. There are individuals who actually aspire to Lu… moreke betraying the group or a scenario arising that alters Luke's good-nature for the worse. The thing about that is, it's already been done by Kenny in episode 2. Why would they do that again to Luke? Don't you think that would be a bit repetitive and predictable? In my humble opinion, I believe it's for the best that Luke has no living relatives.
It seems like when a character in the group has kin that are sentient, they often do their own thing. Lee, Clementine, Mark, Carley, Doug, Omid, and Christa's families died, (some presumed dead) yet they were trustworthy and likable people. Generally, characters having living family members is not always desirable since they would constantly be selfish about their loved one's safety no matter whose life is on the line (Lilly, Larry, Kenny, etc.). Besides, it's p… [view original content]
Lets assume that we are on to something with this "Light" thing. that last bit, defintely adds a bit of uncertainty to luke. the night is darkest before the dawn, and the dawn doesnt last forever, atleast until dusk arrives.
Interesting to say the least, luke could no doubt be important, but im starting to think theres more to him then we may realise, we will have to wait and see.
I can give you more evidence to back up the deuteragonist theory.
In the credits, the first voice actor credit is Melissa Hutchenson, for v… moreoicing Clementine. The second credit is for Scot Porter for voicing Luke.
In season 1, for every single episode, Dave Fenoy got the first credit for Lee, followed by Melissa for Clementine.
Additionally, Luke is one of the first Cabin members you meet. And you get to interact with him more than any other cabin member.
As for symbolic meanings for light, almost all of them are positive. Except for one massive outlier.
Lucifer is one of the names of the devil, and that's translated as "Angel of Light." This refers to who he was while he was still an angel. Besides this one doozy, light has almost always had positive connotations.
I remember there was a movie/video game with similar twist. There is this guy all polite and nice ready to help, and then at the middle of the… more story BAM.. He is a psycho/maniac leading some crazy group likes to torture people in every way possible. Then the protagonist angers him in some way and then he starts chasing him/her until the end.
Some people believe that since Luke doesn't have any family in the cabin, he can't be trusted. There are individuals who actually aspire to Lu… moreke betraying the group or a scenario arising that alters Luke's good-nature for the worse. The thing about that is, it's already been done by Kenny in episode 2. Why would they do that again to Luke? Don't you think that would be a bit repetitive and predictable? In my humble opinion, I believe it's for the best that Luke has no living relatives.
It seems like when a character in the group has kin that are sentient, they often do their own thing. Lee, Clementine, Mark, Carley, Doug, Omid, and Christa's families died, (some presumed dead) yet they were trustworthy and likable people. Generally, characters having living family members is not always desirable since they would constantly be selfish about their loved one's safety no matter whose life is on the line (Lilly, Larry, Kenny, etc.). Besides, it's p… [view original content]
I think we're doing that thing where we notice a slight connection (the flashlight) and assume that there's an intended link.
I mean, 'Pete' comes from a word meaning 'stone'.
'Lilly' comes from the Greek word 'loloudi' meaning flower.
'Rebecca' comes from the word 'to tie firmly'.
It's essentially the same logic behind Deja Vu explanations: we see so many different things in our lives that we are bound to have experienced one before in a dream, and we only notice that we remember when we do so, so it seems like it happens all the time.
I just think 'Luke' is a name, just like 'Rebecca' means to tie firmly or 'Peter' means stone.
The tritagonist is usually the least sympathetic character in a play.
Which you might find apt for Kenny, if you're not a fan, or you may feel outraged about if you love him and want to have his mustachioed babies.
Regardless, it annoys me to no end that people keep throwing around Greek Tragic terms like this. Kenny was not a tratagonist, even if he was listed as such. He just wasn't.
With all of this talk about these characters and there names having semi-secret meanings, i wonder what Kennys name means. Perhaps it may "shed some light" on the situation.
The surname Kenny is of Old Gaelic origin, found in Scotland and Ireland. The translation of the name Kenny is 'fire born'. I hypothesize that 'fire born' ties in with the saying or expression "born in fire forged by flame," which refers to the process of hardening steel with heat. The steel is born from the fire and made stronger by the flame. Isn't that a coincidence since throughout the season we experienced Kenny slowly hardening to the current world he lives in. If you're still not convinced, the other translation of Kenny is 'handsome'. We can't argue with that philosophy :P.
With all of this talk about these characters and there names having semi-secret meanings, i wonder what Kennys name means. Perhaps it may "shed some light" on the situation.
The tritagonist is usually the least sympathetic character in a play.
Which you might find apt for Kenny, if you're not a fan, or you may f… moreeel outraged about if you love him and want to have his mustachioed babies.
Regardless, it annoys me to no end that people keep throwing around Greek Tragic terms like this. Kenny was not a tratagonist, even if he was listed as such. He just wasn't.
Very true, and interesting, its allmost as if we can know the fate of these characters simply by the meanings of there names. Which seems to be the case thus far, Luke being light must be significent in some way, the question remains, what is the significence of Light in this dark world?......
That is what was taken away from the world of The Walking Dead, Happiness, a treasure that everyone wants, and needs, and light, for those lost in the dark with no signs of escape.
The surname Kenny is of Old Gaelic origin, found in Scotland and Ireland. The translation of the name Kenny is 'fire born'. I hypothesize that… more 'fire born' ties in with the saying or expression "born in fire forged by flame," which refers to the process of hardening steel with heat. The steel is born from the fire and made stronger by the flame. Isn't that a coincidence since throughout the season we experienced Kenny slowly hardening to the current world he lives in. If you're still not convinced, the other translation of Kenny is 'handsome'. We can't argue with that philosophy :P.
Omid: Hope (he was always a more optimistic and upbeat character. Its no accident he was killed off in the first 10 minutes of season 2. So much symbolism there).
Molly: bitter (fairly obvious)
Clementine: mild (works well with season 1 Clem)
Lee: shelter (protecting Clementine)
Lilly: flower (actually this has no correlation at all Lilly's a bitch)
Very true, and interesting, its allmost as if we can know the fate of these characters simply by the meanings of there names. Which seems to b… moree the case thus far, Luke being light must be significent in some way, the question remains, what is the significence of Light in this dark world?......
That is what was taken away from the world of The Walking Dead, Happiness, a treasure that everyone wants, and needs, and light, for those lost in the dark with no signs of escape.
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You're right, I think he is the deuteragonist. He bonds with Clem a lot more than the whole group combined.
Not for Season 1. Not episode 5.. It's starts:
1. Lee
2. Clem
3. Kenny
4. Ben
5. Omid
6. Christa
7. Radio Voice
8. Stranger
Maybe you're right about Luke...
Yeah, but this person has a point, for all we know it could be a pattern...
I like Luke. At first I got angry when he flat out dropped clem ( I understand why ). But he was a jerk to her right before she passed out. But then he was nice when they got to the house, siding with clem. I also loved the conversation they had and I thought right away clem is going to be talking to Luke a lot.
That could have been phrased better....
Yeah Luke seems waaay too nice. That and the fact he seems the least connected out of all of Carlos' group....
I'm probably thinking to the extremes when I think of what he will do, but still, I don't trust the guy.
Finally,a hypothesis thread that doesn't talk about nonsense of kenny.I also like this luke character,and his initial action of dropping clementine was understandable,but it turns out he's being the closest & the most sympathetic character to clem
He had every reason to drop Clem since he thought she was bitten, remember when they saved her she did had a walker right on her.
From all of the group he seems nicest to her, so i can imagine them working together in future episodes. Besides i don't think Telltale will send her off alone to face everything, not without someone she could trust.
exactly,I hope he survive with clem until the last episode
Not to sound like an idiot but what does **deuteragonist **mean...
It's like a secondary protagonist or the protagonist's sidekick/companion. The second most important character. Kinda like what Clem was to Lee in Season 1.
Okay cheers
Would the group not um notice Carver with them?
Maybe the group only heard about Carver, but don't know how he looks like?
Good point. It could be great as a twist. Charming villains (In that we like them) are fun too, the opposite of the Stranger from S1
Joker comes to mind firs... ''I AM BATMAN"
Joker is first always
Lol what? So this is a "weird" theory while the other ones presented in this thread are what...Legit?
I remember there was a movie/video game with similar twist. There is this guy all polite and nice ready to help, and then at the middle of the story BAM.. He is a psycho/maniac leading some crazy group likes to torture people in every way possible. Then the protagonist angers him in some way and then he starts chasing him/her until the end.
The theory holds some weight. Especially after looking up the meanings of "Lee" and "Clementine".
I think that the reason he lacks connection in the group is to help encourage a brother/sister bond between himself and Clementine. Clementine doesn't have any connections to the group either. They are the odd ones out.
Remember the original plan for season 1, where we would play as Clementine's brother rather than her surrogate father? Now is as good a time as any to reattempt that. Season 2 won't be as impactful if Clementine is the only character that we are able to root for and connect with. It will degenerate into pure misery porn. None of the other members of the group have the same potential, other than Sarah with the right character arc and possibly Nick if he gets his shit together (doubtful). I think the "Evil Luke" theories are just grasping for straws, and I will be disappointed if Telltale takes that route as they will ruin the potential of the character. It would feel like a forced conflict to me.
And a tritagonist is a 3rd main character. Kenny was listed as a tritagonist in season 1
Yes I agree, as I've and I think one or two others have noticed, Luke is credited 2nd on the cast list above even Christa and Omid and the other cabin survivors. I personally think he will be a main character throughout this season and could very well be looked up to by Clem like a brother if they become close friends. Exciting times ahead I hope!
Some people believe that since Luke doesn't have any family in the cabin, he can't be trusted. There are individuals who actually aspire to Luke betraying the group or a scenario arising that alters Luke's good-nature for the worse. The thing about that is, it's already been done by Kenny in episode 2. Why would they do that again to Luke? Don't you think that would be a bit repetitive and predictable? In my humble opinion, I believe it's for the best that Luke has no living relatives.
It seems like when a character in the group has kin that are sentient, they often do their own thing. Lee, Clementine, Mark, Carley, Doug, Omid, and Christa's families died, (some presumed dead) yet they were trustworthy and likable people. Generally, characters having living family members is not always desirable since they would constantly be selfish about their loved one's safety no matter whose life is on the line (Lilly, Larry, Kenny, etc.). Besides, it's preferable Luke worry about Clementine and protect her without any family distractions.
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How could I have forgotten about that facepalms. You make a great point about attempting the brother/sister bond again this season.
While you're talking with Luke, and you mention that your parents died (not say that other people took care of you, but directly they died), Luke will mention that he lost his folks too. This would presumably refer to his mom and dad, but my gut tells me he had a younger sister around Clem's age who died early into the outbreak. Luke can't be more than 27 years old at the moment (guess work based on appearance) and it's been 2+ years into the out break. It's definitely possible that when he was 25, he had a younger sister around the age of 11 or 12.
Dead sister or not, I definitely see a brother/sister bond forming between Luke and Clem in this season.
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Luke could be the brother like presence towards Clementine, like how Telltale was going to plan originally.
Lets assume that we are on to something with this "Light" thing. that last bit, defintely adds a bit of uncertainty to luke. the night is darkest before the dawn, and the dawn doesnt last forever, atleast until dusk arrives.
Interesting to say the least, luke could no doubt be important, but im starting to think theres more to him then we may realise, we will have to wait and see.
Plot twist: Joker is Carver.
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I think we're doing that thing where we notice a slight connection (the flashlight) and assume that there's an intended link.
I mean, 'Pete' comes from a word meaning 'stone'.
'Lilly' comes from the Greek word 'loloudi' meaning flower.
'Rebecca' comes from the word 'to tie firmly'.
It's essentially the same logic behind Deja Vu explanations: we see so many different things in our lives that we are bound to have experienced one before in a dream, and we only notice that we remember when we do so, so it seems like it happens all the time.
I just think 'Luke' is a name, just like 'Rebecca' means to tie firmly or 'Peter' means stone.
It's a co-incidence.
The tritagonist is usually the least sympathetic character in a play.
Which you might find apt for Kenny, if you're not a fan, or you may feel outraged about if you love him and want to have his mustachioed babies.
Regardless, it annoys me to no end that people keep throwing around Greek Tragic terms like this. Kenny was not a tratagonist, even if he was listed as such. He just wasn't.
With all of this talk about these characters and there names having semi-secret meanings, i wonder what Kennys name means. Perhaps it may "shed some light" on the situation.
The surname Kenny is of Old Gaelic origin, found in Scotland and Ireland. The translation of the name Kenny is 'fire born'. I hypothesize that 'fire born' ties in with the saying or expression "born in fire forged by flame," which refers to the process of hardening steel with heat. The steel is born from the fire and made stronger by the flame. Isn't that a coincidence since throughout the season we experienced Kenny slowly hardening to the current world he lives in. If you're still not convinced, the other translation of Kenny is 'handsome'. We can't argue with that philosophy :P.
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I'm not sure if I should be insulted or flattered that their is a troll trying to get me in trouble. I need encouragement, so I'll go with flattered.
So, trying to get me banned by harassing Jayden? I must be important around here or something.
Very true, and interesting, its allmost as if we can know the fate of these characters simply by the meanings of there names. Which seems to be the case thus far, Luke being light must be significent in some way, the question remains, what is the significence of Light in this dark world?......
That is what was taken away from the world of The Walking Dead, Happiness, a treasure that everyone wants, and needs, and light, for those lost in the dark with no signs of escape.
Some other name meanings that match up.
Omid: Hope (he was always a more optimistic and upbeat character. Its no accident he was killed off in the first 10 minutes of season 2. So much symbolism there).
Molly: bitter (fairly obvious)
Clementine: mild (works well with season 1 Clem)
Lee: shelter (protecting Clementine)
Lilly: flower (actually this has no correlation at all Lilly's a bitch)
Katjaa: pure (do you ever even see her swear?)