No really who took the photo???
Here's a questithat i haven't seen asked, who took the photo of Crane and Lilly Snow because it obviously wasn't a selfie lol
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Here's a questithat i haven't seen asked, who took the photo of Crane and Lilly Snow because it obviously wasn't a selfie lol
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I really want to know too!
Maybe it was The Crooked Man or someone working for him?
One of the Tweedles?
Georgie?
Here's a shocking idea... maybe it was Beauty?
Also, do we think that Crane was aware of the picture being taken? I'm not sure of the angle, but could it have been taken by someone hiding somewhere in the room, like the closet? Was the person who took the pictures actively involved in the scenario, or did they secretly take them to possibly use them against Crane?
The year the game takes place in is June-July 1985 established on the current what year is it thread. Based on the Fables wiki and the credits screens it is the time Crane was fired. Hence my thought is that Cindy took the last photograph. Which would mean Crane is heavily involved in both murders.
Cindy is actually a good guess, if the picture was taken in secret. I hope she shows up in the game soon.
I don't know, Anyways I don't think Crane just decided to take selfies with "Snow White" and just leave the photo there, Its obviously someone else
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Ja juz napisalem kto prawdopodobnie zrobil zdjecia. Szpiegowczyni Kopciuszek, pracowniczka naszego bochatera. Peter Parker nie istnieje.
Good question i think beauty she never heard screaming or unusual behavior at the hotel at the reception lies. Beast shows up just as enter the room bit to convenient for my liking she realizes and compliments your detective work when you realize what happened in room as you investigate. Games like this make me very paranoid the plot thickens. Sneaks away secretly just so beast doesn't feel hurt at her job sneaking like spy and someone ends up dead
or the camera was on a timer, yea so that's a thing...
Yeah, it could have been on a timer. But that wouldn't be as interesting.
Hmm... I highly doubt that the perpetrator would keep his photos in the room that he murdered someone in, so my guess is that someone planted those there for Bigby to find.
Or IDK.
No one else had a key to open that room. Only a spy could get in there or a thug like Dee. We already know Dee wouldn't incriminate Crane.
But, do we really know that no one else had a key to it? We know that the key that Beauty has that's supposed to unlock all of the doors won't work. But, we don't know how many keys there were to that door, or if any copies were made. It could be that there are a select few who have the key.
Also, like you mentioned, a spy or a thug could pick the lock.
From my knowledge any business would only have a master key for the owner and worker/guest keys depending on which. Also business keys aren't allowed to be duplicated. Hence we know Crane has the key to the room. Dee could pick it but wouldn't. Cindy could pick it and would. Bluebeard's thugs could pick it. That's basically it.
Well, something funny is going on with the key, because according to Beauty, the master key does not unlock the room. So, it seems like within the context of room 207 the regular rules regarding businesses and their keys may not be applicable. In any case, hotel rooms do have multiple keys sometimes, right? (Or they used to before key cards).
Crane has (or had) a key, that's a certainty. Others could get into the room by picking the lock. But I still think that more than one key to 207 could be a possibility.
Wait a second... Georgie Porgie said that he will retaliate if anything threatens his livelihood. So a backup key would most certainly belong to Georgie Porgie. Bigby should also definitely read more in that book.
That's an interesting thought. Georgie is still as suspicious as hell.
Also, another related question is why does the photo look like it was torn in half? What's up with the black line.
Assuming it was torn in half, I think we can't rule out Crane from the list of people who could've taken the photo. Maybe this was initially his photo, but he only wanted the part of it where he is all nice and romantic, cutting away left side.
There are two possible scenarios:
1. Crane knows about this photo existing.
Here are facts that sort of back up this theory: other photos from the envelope were almost certainly Crane's. They are old and they fit into his obsession with Snow. So having the photo of himself with Snow doesn't seem too off.
Now there's this black line, it bugs me. I can't find any other explanation than Crane tearing part of the photo where he is nice and throwing the other part away. This is not a good explanation, but I don't have any other.
Finally, when you discover the photo and Crane sees it in the mirror, he looks pissed, but not surprised or shocked. This can suggest that he already knew.
2. Second option: Crane doesn't know about this photo.
Facts that support this are as follows: angle of the photo makes the idea of it being taken from the window possible, though it also makes it possible to be taken by a camera on timer, standing on the table. Secondly, this photo is very incriminating and having it at all is dangerous. But that's about it, feel free to add your ideas.
So, if Crane knows, who took the photo?
1. He took in himself, using timer on the camera.
2. Someone else took it on Crane's order, which means Crane let someone see the whole thing, which to me seems unlikely.
If Crane doesn't know, who could have possibly taken photo like this? No idea. From where was it taken then?
1. From the window? (Sorry for the quality, I'll get better screenshots when I can. )
Here is the window. Its only logical that curtains are closed. There is a small gap though, so this is not completely impossible for photo to be taken from there. But it's difficult.
2. From somewhere in the room? Not an option, there is nowhere to hide and have possibility to take clean photos in the same time.
3. From magic mirror? This makes the suspect list very small. In fact, the only real suspect is Bluebeard, and he doesn't fit well into other criteria of our killer. (Buffkin and Snow don't fit at all for continuity reasons.)
You're right glamours...you can't even trust people's looks in this game.
BUT Crane did smash the mirror as he was spying on them after seeing that he was getting pinned......HMMM....
Perhaps something to do with glamour? You know how Holly has similar purple vein-y/lightning lookin' marks in her human form?OR that could just be her troll skin. I dunno.
It is possible that someone had the intention to frame Crane and glamoured him/herself to look like him and took a photo to fool Bigby and Snow. Atleast this could explain why the picture was taken. Also, this would make sense when you think about why the pictures were there in the first place; Crane is too smart and cunning to just leave behind obvious evidence in such a manner. If it indeed is Crane this has to be some sort of setup!
You just made me consider that someone could simply photograph what the magic mirror shows without having to physically be in the room, but I don't think that would work either as it seems to have been 'bound', so to speak, before this murder occurred.
Of course, how would the photographer then get into the room to put the photos in the closet if the room is locked, even from the master key? Perhaps whoever used the self-timer simply exited the window so as to draw as little attention as possible. Also, the rooms are uptairs (hence 207) so there's a distance to jump, too.
As for the black line, I suspect doctoring, mainly because it makes no sense to be so meticulous about the ritual (e.g. the specific type of apple as noted in the book) and then leave a folder of evidence behind. I'm also very curious about handwriting comparisons between what was written in that book and the note at Prince Lawrence's apartment, but that may overthinking it that part. Good effort, though.
Nice idea. I'm going to start a new thread about this one, because I've found something interesting.
Ok, so here are the screenshots as promised. I'm so frustrated, because now I see that this photo couldn't have been taken from absolutely bloody anywhere except maybe the Mirror. Look for yourself.
First, the photo itself.
Notice the angle of player's camera. This is the same angle from which the photo was taken. (I flipped it to illustrate the point, but the actual position of the camera was on the opposite side, bear with me, I'm gonna explain).
Here is proof that camera was on the right side of the bed. We see the lamp on the left.
Analyzing information above, person holding the camera must've been standing here on their knees:
Here are the window and the table. Angle from the window is too high, position of the table is nowhere near desired.
So either Crane was stupid enough to let someone else take the picture or someone used the Mirror. Or this is a continuity issue and game designers are to blame, I personally believe in this option.
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Maybe it was one of those cameras that is timed and takes it automatically?
I don't think anyone would have taken a picture from the mirror. The door to the magic mirror room/crane and snow's office gets locked and would be unaccessible.
You still need to put it somewhere. Unless it is a magical camera that can float.
Please read my comment above.
UPD: or you can use a tripod. Of course, stupid me.
That "wtf" smear can be explained by someone simply using their hands to drag the body off the bed. Also, it's possible to have a tripod set up (you don't know what type of camera was used, so you can't assume it had to be hand-held), or the culprit simply moved the table closer and then moved it back when done. And cameras of that decade did have self-timers, so there's no need to insert an accomplice just yet.
Further, when you use the mirror, the angle from which you're given a view seems to be up to the mirror itself, and if you're saying someone snapped the shot as shown by the mirror, then you'd have to explain why it's also compelled to not speak about certain things even while watching someone commit a crime. Are you saying "Crane" was caught by someone else (presumably the real Crane, if you assume the culprit used a glamour), and bound the mirror to prevent potential interference? Because otherwise, it doesn't make sense for the culprit to have someone else take a picture of what the mirror shows, who could also temporarily unbind it from showing things about the criminal activity, and then bind it again.
I don't think this is a continuity issue by game designers, either, because in a game with magic, we could easily be missing whatever relevant information the writers feel like throwing in there.
I never said that I believe that the picture was taken from the Mirror. This is just a possibility, an unlikely one, but a possibility.
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I'm sorry, what? Mirror was not able to show us Faith because of the spell placed on her, and this is the only time it was "bind" not to show us something.
There are four such smears on all sides of the bed, and when someone drags the body by the feet (this is how it was done according to Bigby), there is no nead to touch the bed with the open palm of your hand.
Well, good point about the tripod though.
So, what did you mean when you said "or someone used the mirror"? I think we can agree that taking a photo of what the mirror showed is now the most unlikely part, so I think we can drop it.
Anyway, according to the last picture (with Bigby's hand), I figure the top left mark was by Lily grabbing the lilacs before he died. Not sure about the bottom left one (maybe someone resting their hand on the bed for a moment?), but the ones on the right can still be explained by someone scooping up the body in order to take it off the bed (so perhaps the pressure on the fingers would push the blood away) because Lily was glamoured to look like Snow, but that doesn't mean the weight of the body was the same, too. So, I figure a troll is heavy enough to need some extra effort (perhaps something the killer didn't account for?).
This is the mark in the blood. Why was there blood on the bed if it was before she died?
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The only blood is from her neck. So before she was dragged down from the bed there was no blood whatsoever where this handprints are. If it was after she was dragged down (by her legs, as Bigby said), then why scoop her at all? She was already on the floor. Also, you are missing the point that these are handprints of the open palms, not even "smeared". How can you scoop anything by placing your widely open palm on bed four times?
I'm not sure how to answer all of those questions except by making up more scenarios, so...
We don't know how long it took to kill her, so the decapitation could have been a drawn out process, allowing for pooling on the top of the bed, and considering the sexual nature of the crime, it's possible for the culprit to have moved the body around (while bleeding out) and Lily picked up the flowers in the process. I'm viewing those marks as being made by a grasping hand, not someone else. A better explanation for the other side might be that the person who dragged the body off pressed his hand onto the bed and pulled, so that would leave a clean part on the sheet as the blood would pass over the hand. Also, the handprint on the bottom left seems to have three dots above the fingers; could those be claw tips?
Look at the gif. The handprint is in the wrong position for it to be the handprint of a person laying on the bed.
Fingers are where her wrist should be, and the wrist is where her fingers should be.
I see the 'gif and upon a closer inspection it still seems like fingers picked something up and not someone else's handprint. If you look closely at the part just to the left of the lilacs there seems to be some wedge shapes of blood, sort of like what would be left behind if you used an eraser in MS Paint, so I don't think it's a palm. On the other hand, the bed sheet would fold and could end up looking as it does it a hand was pressed onto the bed as blood was gathering on top of it, so there's that.
He probably just had the camera standing on the table or a tripod or something and set it too timer - even most phones these days have that basic function
I remember the old cameras need to wind up for the timer to work.
OMG, so much great theories, now I'm satisfied, haha.
I just can't believe Crane is a selfie and, worst of all, would let the photos at the crime scene, where they certainly would be found. I guess someone took the pics from the window that leemorry posted, and left them on the closet, so they could be found.
Crane never would be so dumb, he's so intelligent to do such thing.
Except Crane would be self-confident because only he and possibly Georgie have the only keys to that room. The master key doesn't even open the door.
But simple keys would never stop Bigby, Crane should know that. There wasn't even a magical protection. It was pretty easy to enter in that room.