I kind of disagree entirely.
Her caring personality isn't gone, just worn down a bit.
She can be very kind in this episode, just a lot of those nice things to say and do rely on YOU the player's input.
Like with Lee, we choose which parts of her personality are most overt.
And it's obvious Clem does care about people, she just has a healthy dose of survival instinct.
I kind of disagree entirely.
Her caring personality isn't gone, just worn down a bit.
She can be very kind in this episode, just a lot o… moref those nice things to say and do rely on YOU the player's input.
Like with Lee, we choose which parts of her personality are most overt.
And it's obvious Clem does care about people, she just has a healthy dose of survival instinct.
I kind of disagree entirely.
Her caring personality isn't gone, just worn down a bit.
She can be very kind in this episode, just a lot o… moref those nice things to say and do rely on YOU the player's input.
Like with Lee, we choose which parts of her personality are most overt.
And it's obvious Clem does care about people, she just has a healthy dose of survival instinct.
I thought it was common knowledge she was going to be growing up this season while trying to maintain her humanity. That is exactly what happened/is happening. The whole wind turbine situation was pretty idiotic, though.
I havent played the game yet - ive only seen a 5 minutes or so while watching a friend play. He didn't spoil it for me, but he thought it was the best episode of the entire series so far. A glowing endorsement, indeed.
But the first thing that ran through my head as i was watching it (there where a bunch of characters by what looked like a ski lodge arguing about something) was that why would a bunch of adults, who've survived a freakin zombie apocalypse for years, turn to a 11 year old girl they don't know for critical advice? lol. This whole dynamic telltale seems to be creating around Clem this series as a wise old sage is really weird to me.
The "I used to have a treehouse... I hated it." comment was Clem's way of telling Luke that she's not a dumb child anymore and she doesn't appreciate Luke treating her like one and trying to manipulate her in that way.
Would you still be a cheery person if you were surrounded by people who locked you in a shed and mostly treated you like crap after you got out of the shed? Especially if you just got separated from the last person in the world that you knew? Especially if THAT person has been treating you coldly for 16 months because she blamed you for the other person you knew dying?
Having a cheery, weak Clem in this season would've been odd.
And another thing. I know it's horrible to live in this world but does she always have to look like this every time we control her? Seriously Clem, you're killing me...
Living in a ZA will harden even the sweetest person in the world. It's not hard to believe. Even if you play Season 1 as Nice Guy Lee, don't forget all the swearing and decisions Kenny made around her. Influence is a big factor in her change I would say.
I feel very conflicted. (And that's what the game is suppose to do.) Clementine is precious to me, as I had to take care of her in Season 1. Clementine was just a young girl, and I think at that time she was different because she was moderately happy and innocent. She didn't know about her parents being dead, and Lee was taking care of her. But in Season 2 we play Clem and after everything that happened you can see she has matured a lot more, probably because of everything that happened and that we have too as the people playing the game. But now we are in Clem's shoes instead of just taking care of her. I don't know if I should play as I am Clementine or what is best for her. I've noticed we can play her a lot of different ways. But I'm playing her as a mature Clem or I guess a second Lee. Taking care of everyone.
It hardly needs to be said but its been two years in a zombie apocalypse during her most formative years. Of course, she's not the same person she was. No one would be and a child most of all. To expect her to be this sweet, apple-cheeked girl she was when she was eight is not very realistic IMO.
I'm not a huge fan of the new Clementine that much, I don't like her tough girl attitude and those stern faces she keeps pulling, I've got nothing against her doing stuff like killing walkers but I think they've made her a bit too grown up like, at times you'd think she is the leader.
So I played the episode again but this time with a more quieter Clem who hardly says anything and it felt more like the old Clem! I know it sounds crazy playing this way but I prefer her this way as she seems more like her old good self yet still able to survive. Try it and see what you think, I'm not joking.
The swearing bothered me a little too. Mostly because her aversion to swearing was a fun and quirky part of her personality and I wanted to see her retain that quirk all the way into adulthood. I guess I just really like the idea of Clem as a badass zombie-slaying adult that still calls people out for swearing in front of her.
Her hatred of her treehouse, though, bothers me a lot more if she was being sincere. I can't imagine a playful, imaginative 8-year old Clementine not liking something that her parents built especially for her to play in. I always pictured her spending hours upon hours in that treehouse acting out weird and crazy scenarios with her toys, while her parents nagged her on the walkie-talkie to come back inside. Kinda sucks that that image is gone now.
Some others have mentioned that her hating her treehouse might be symbolic of her hatred of her former childishness and naivete. I like that idea, but I really hope that it's only a phase that she's going through. I don't want her to go on hating what she was before. I liked what she was before.
The swearing bothered me a little too. Mostly because her aversion to swearing was a fun and quirky part of her personality and I wanted to … moresee her retain that quirk all the way into adulthood. I guess I just really like the idea of Clem as a badass zombie-slaying adult that still calls people out for swearing in front of her.
Her hatred of her treehouse, though, bothers me a lot more if she was being sincere. I can't imagine a playful, imaginative 8-year old Clementine not liking something that her parents built especially for her to play in. I always pictured her spending hours upon hours in that treehouse acting out weird and crazy scenarios with her toys, while her parents nagged her on the walkie-talkie to come back inside. Kinda sucks that that image is gone now.
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Clem spent over a year with her only 'friend' being a bitter woman that blames Clem for the death of her boyfriend.
If she was still an innocent and naive 9 year old, now THAT would be terrible writing. The shift in her character is both warranted and believable, even ignoring Christa. It's been 2 years, she's older and it's the fucken' apocalypse. There's no sweet pea no more.
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I kind of disagree entirely.
Her caring personality isn't gone, just worn down a bit.
She can be very kind in this episode, just a lot of those nice things to say and do rely on YOU the player's input.
Like with Lee, we choose which parts of her personality are most overt.
And it's obvious Clem does care about people, she just has a healthy dose of survival instinct.
Totally agree with you
Her reaction to Nick's death should make it abundantly clear that she still cares about others.
Well there you go.
I actually didn't see that. Nick lived for me.
Geez there;s a ton of variables in this episode.
I thought it was common knowledge she was going to be growing up this season while trying to maintain her humanity. That is exactly what happened/is happening. The whole wind turbine situation was pretty idiotic, though.
I havent played the game yet - ive only seen a 5 minutes or so while watching a friend play. He didn't spoil it for me, but he thought it was the best episode of the entire series so far. A glowing endorsement, indeed.
But the first thing that ran through my head as i was watching it (there where a bunch of characters by what looked like a ski lodge arguing about something) was that why would a bunch of adults, who've survived a freakin zombie apocalypse for years, turn to a 11 year old girl they don't know for critical advice? lol. This whole dynamic telltale seems to be creating around Clem this series as a wise old sage is really weird to me.
The "I used to have a treehouse... I hated it." comment was Clem's way of telling Luke that she's not a dumb child anymore and she doesn't appreciate Luke treating her like one and trying to manipulate her in that way.
Atleast that's what I got out of it.
Would you still be a cheery person if you were surrounded by people who locked you in a shed and mostly treated you like crap after you got out of the shed? Especially if you just got separated from the last person in the world that you knew? Especially if THAT person has been treating you coldly for 16 months because she blamed you for the other person you knew dying?
Having a cheery, weak Clem in this season would've been odd.
how bout dis?
"Ready to Strike"
Living in a ZA will harden even the sweetest person in the world. It's not hard to believe. Even if you play Season 1 as Nice Guy Lee, don't forget all the swearing and decisions Kenny made around her. Influence is a big factor in her change I would say.
I feel very conflicted. (And that's what the game is suppose to do.) Clementine is precious to me, as I had to take care of her in Season 1. Clementine was just a young girl, and I think at that time she was different because she was moderately happy and innocent. She didn't know about her parents being dead, and Lee was taking care of her. But in Season 2 we play Clem and after everything that happened you can see she has matured a lot more, probably because of everything that happened and that we have too as the people playing the game. But now we are in Clem's shoes instead of just taking care of her. I don't know if I should play as I am Clementine or what is best for her. I've noticed we can play her a lot of different ways. But I'm playing her as a mature Clem or I guess a second Lee. Taking care of everyone.
She's just learning that the world is bad and needs to grow up, if she was the same Clem as back in season 1 she would be dead by now.
It hardly needs to be said but its been two years in a zombie apocalypse during her most formative years. Of course, she's not the same person she was. No one would be and a child most of all. To expect her to be this sweet, apple-cheeked girl she was when she was eight is not very realistic IMO.
I'm not a huge fan of the new Clementine that much, I don't like her tough girl attitude and those stern faces she keeps pulling, I've got nothing against her doing stuff like killing walkers but I think they've made her a bit too grown up like, at times you'd think she is the leader.
So I played the episode again but this time with a more quieter Clem who hardly says anything and it felt more like the old Clem! I know it sounds crazy playing this way but I prefer her this way as she seems more like her old good self yet still able to survive. Try it and see what you think, I'm not joking.
The swearing bothered me a little too. Mostly because her aversion to swearing was a fun and quirky part of her personality and I wanted to see her retain that quirk all the way into adulthood. I guess I just really like the idea of Clem as a badass zombie-slaying adult that still calls people out for swearing in front of her.
Her hatred of her treehouse, though, bothers me a lot more if she was being sincere. I can't imagine a playful, imaginative 8-year old Clementine not liking something that her parents built especially for her to play in. I always pictured her spending hours upon hours in that treehouse acting out weird and crazy scenarios with her toys, while her parents nagged her on the walkie-talkie to come back inside. Kinda sucks that that image is gone now.
Some others have mentioned that her hating her treehouse might be symbolic of her hatred of her former childishness and naivete. I like that idea, but I really hope that it's only a phase that she's going through. I don't want her to go on hating what she was before. I liked what she was before.
god, this treehouse thing is still bothering me to this day. In my top 3 things that I dislike about the episode the treehouse hate is my number 1.
Out of all the new bad things about Clementine I don't see hating her treehouse as one of them. So maybe she hated it when she was little too.
Maybe she's afraid of heights, Officer Walsh?
Clem spent over a year with her only 'friend' being a bitter woman that blames Clem for the death of her boyfriend.
If she was still an innocent and naive 9 year old, now THAT would be terrible writing. The shift in her character is both warranted and believable, even ignoring Christa. It's been 2 years, she's older and it's the fucken' apocalypse. There's no sweet pea no more.