clem is brainwashed or manipulated by carver , and now believes all her friends are against her/and or trying to kill her - so she gets to them.first. Then she finds out the truth or something.
This song makes me feel like I'm alone in a forest, lost and paranoid about something chasing me.
I'm guessing that's what will happen, C… morelementine and the group escape from Carver's community in episode 4 and they will just get separated and will be like between episode 4 and 5 in season 1. People that like Clementine run with her and the others will run some other way and then they will be looking for each other, in a dark forest at the same time they are running from Carver's group.
guys lets think outside the box here not every main character has to get bit maybe she just gets shot in the eye or something like carl in the comics and they have a doctor somewhere that saves her and it pretty much changes her makes her even more hardened or as much as I hate to even say this but like people above have said rape is possible that would scar her for life or she dies which I doubt will happen if telltale what to keep their fanbase
Ken will at least last till ep 4 lets hope the whole season, but if tt decides to kill im im pretty sure he will die as a hero, most likely saving clem and sarita, about the amputation i agree with you ken would do it but i cant imagine a one arm clem x3
There's a lot of reference in that Episode 4 is a "Preparation for War" episode, where Clementine and others are preparing to attack Carver's group to rescue the others. I'm just gonna roll on a hypothetical for that one.
Let's say at the end of episode 4 the attack fails. Who knows why - maybe Carver was ready for them. Maybe there was a spy on the attack reporting on their movements. Regardless, everyone ends up being captured or killed and at the end of the episode, coincidentially, a blizzard kicks up like the one on the episode screen. Clem who was hired with a task of stealth for the attack, which has been common through both seasons, stays out of the thick of the fighting unseen by everyone, ends up with a decision: stay in the dark and fight against Carver - or run into the blizzards, unknowing of the dangers but escaping Carver's wrath. Surrender seems to guarantee death or torture. Think Carlos' broken fingers times unlimited. There's definitely no limit for Carver, especially on an attempt to overthrow and kill him.
If you stay and fight, Clementine must find a way to free the others, of which there are many dangers. First is that she's entirely on her own, no others thinking of a plan for her. Second, she's outnumbered. For all we know 50 to 1. Third is that she would have to take severe precautions in order to manoeuvre the base. Maybe it would involve jumping rooftops, which in a blizzard would be even worse or sneaking through vents which would utilize her small size. Maybe when she's moving through the unknown she could hear the maniacal screams of her captured comrades through the darkness and the cold.
If you run away, you escape Carver's reach with the betrayed eyes of those that trusted Clementine at your back, their fates unknown. On one hand, maybe this option sounds too cowardly for Clementine, so maybe there'd be some other incentive: say that Christa survives and calls for Clem to escape with her, saying that she's sorry for not finding her sooner and saying everything will be ok now. When walking through the cold, they're both shivering, Christa all the while explaining what happened to her after the bandit attack. But Clementine struggles to listen - the combined encumbrance of the storm and her inner demons wearing her down. Her guilt, referenced many times throughout the season already, catching up to her. She collapses to the snow, succumbing to her inner guilt and thinking about her mistakes of the past. The voices of those that survived with her tormenting the decisions that were made, even the players unable to respond, the decisions given to them constantly changing to correspond to Clementine's state of mind. A spectre was seen in the unseen haze beyond, but her eyes grew weary, with the backs and voices of those that were with her throughout the apocalypse appearing as she closes her eyes, confronting her accumulated guilt under a cold borne hallucination.
I don't even know why I wrote all that, but I don't think I'd write it again if I found somewhere else to put it so I'll just leave it here. Loneliness is definitely a theme here I think, and as written above I think Clementine's guilt in some form will confront her. I'm very curious about this episode. Afraid? Definitely. "No Going Back" gives me the impression Clementine will have to make the most difficult choice of her life in this episode. If this is the end of TWD with no S3 in sight (of which I hope there is a S3 however) this should be the best episode in the whole series.
My guess is that by episode 5, almost all the group is dead save for maybe Kenny (I doubt they are going to kill him off in ep 3 or ep 4 given how he was "resurrected"), Christa (Who returns somewhere in between), Bonnie (Betrays Carver), and Carlos or Sarah (One or the other is dead).
Luke's death will be the catalyst for why Clementine hates Carver and episode 5 involves them getting closer to Wellington with Carver (Who is the only survivor in his crew) chasing them throughout the episode.
NOW, if season 2 is the final season, then throughout the episode, one by one, each member of Clementine's group is killed by Carver until Clem is the last one. Just outside of Wellington, during the final showdown, Clem manages to ambush and kill Carver. Victory at last, but it starts to dawn on Clem that she is all alone as small flurries of snow hit the ground. She looks up and sees Wellington just a mile down the road, after all this time, she finally made it! She steps into Wellington, hoping it was all worth it...but she finds it deserted with all the zombies frozen. She moves street to street looking for anyone to help her, but there isn't a single human left in the city.
The snow starts to come down very hard, the temperature drops and she goes into a random house. Then she puts her things down, sits on a chair facing a window and looks out of it with a blank expression. The camera zooms out, this starts to play () and we get a better glimpse of the city as the camera moves farther and farther away. Not a single person in sight. Clementine, unlike the rest of the group, survived the journey to Wellington, but now she is all alone and isolated in a huge city. Was it worth it? Because there is no going back.
I could see this actually happening in the next episode to Sarah. I get a really rape-y vibe from Carver... Who knows maybe that's part of the reason that they left. Still, scary to think about though.
I agree that this is probably the worst thing that could happen to her, but even though TTG aren't afraid of crossing the line (especially w… morehen it comes to The Walking Dead) i just have a feeling that rape is one thing they won't include (involving Clementine that is). I just have a feeling.
Edit:/ I could be wrong however, but if they WERE to include it it would most likely be off screen or heavily implied. Actually showing it would just be too much..
There's a lot of reference in that Episode 4 is a "Preparation for War" episode, where Clementine and others are preparing to attack Carver'… mores group to rescue the others. I'm just gonna roll on a hypothetical for that one.
Let's say at the end of episode 4 the attack fails. Who knows why - maybe Carver was ready for them. Maybe there was a spy on the attack reporting on their movements. Regardless, everyone ends up being captured or killed and at the end of the episode, coincidentially, a blizzard kicks up like the one on the episode screen. Clem who was hired with a task of stealth for the attack, which has been common through both seasons, stays out of the thick of the fighting unseen by everyone, ends up with a decision: stay in the dark and fight against Carver - or run into the blizzards, unknowing of the dangers but escaping Carver's wrath. Surrender seems to guarantee death or torture. Think Carlos' broken fingers times unlimited. Th… [view original content]
Yes, but it's one thing to mention it happening to an adult woman (in fact it may also have happened to Rebecca with Carver we don't know) a… morend then with a child. It also wasn't shown with Jolene, just hinted at (or stated by herself, i can't quite remember).
I think someone is going to try something on Sarah though, in that community in EP3, and that will be when it will matter whether you taught her or not how to shoot a gun in EP2.
If it has to do with insanity and paranoia, maybe it's the voices of all the people she thinks died because of her haunting her.
You do hear whispers in that theme.
My guess is that by episode 5, almost all the group is dead save for maybe Kenny (I doubt they are going to kill him off in ep 3 or ep 4 giv… moreen how he was "resurrected"), Christa (Who returns somewhere in between), Bonnie (Betrays Carver), and Carlos or Sarah (One or the other is dead).
Luke's death will be the catalyst for why Clementine hates Carver and episode 5 involves them getting closer to Wellington with Carver (Who is the only survivor in his crew) chasing them throughout the episode.
NOW, if season 2 is the final season, then throughout the episode, one by one, each member of Clementine's group is killed by Carver until Clem is the last one. Just outside of Wellington, during the final showdown, Clem manages to ambush and kill Carver. Victory at last, but it starts to dawn on Clem that she is all alone as small flurries of snow hit the ground. She looks up and sees Wellington just a mile down the road, after all this time, she … [view original content]
Considering she is perfectly sane despite all of the things she has already seen, it is going to take a lot to bring her to "insanity". The episode 4 slide is thought by most to signify some sort of ritualistic battle preparation by Clem. I am thinking there is going to be some sort of mass-slaughter at the end of episode 4. Something inhumanly evil and brutal.
Something very important she says in Episode 1.
"Sometimes people end up dying because of me..."
And then again when talking to Kenny … morein EP2.
"I got him killed..." [referring to Lee]
If it has to do with insanity and paranoia, maybe it's the voices of all the people she thinks died because of her haunting her.
You do hear whispers in that theme.
Indeed. Carver would take Sarah over Clem, purely to get to Carlos. He has a very large grudge against Carlos and Luke in particular, and we don't know why that is.
I could see this actually happening in the next episode to Sarah. I get a really rape-y vibe from Carver... Who knows maybe that's part of the reason that they left. Still, scary to think about though.
It would be interesting and I think kinda ironic if Wellington turned out to be some sort of "City of the Dead". A journey north where hundreds of people died in the promise of safety in turn for a wasteland of snow and death. It would be horrifying if all of this started from some sort of sick joke which turned into a literal sense and got people killed.
My guess is that by episode 5, almost all the group is dead save for maybe Kenny (I doubt they are going to kill him off in ep 3 or ep 4 giv… moreen how he was "resurrected"), Christa (Who returns somewhere in between), Bonnie (Betrays Carver), and Carlos or Sarah (One or the other is dead).
Luke's death will be the catalyst for why Clementine hates Carver and episode 5 involves them getting closer to Wellington with Carver (Who is the only survivor in his crew) chasing them throughout the episode.
NOW, if season 2 is the final season, then throughout the episode, one by one, each member of Clementine's group is killed by Carver until Clem is the last one. Just outside of Wellington, during the final showdown, Clem manages to ambush and kill Carver. Victory at last, but it starts to dawn on Clem that she is all alone as small flurries of snow hit the ground. She looks up and sees Wellington just a mile down the road, after all this time, she … [view original content]
Wtf?! You want to know what else is creepy? I paused the music and it was still playing not even joking right now! I even checked to make sure and it was definitely paused, somehow it was still playing... Episodes 4 and 5 are going to be fucked up, I hope everyone gets prepared for them.
I fear for Clementine. She deserves a decent ending, but so did many who have died. I hope this season ends a bit like The Last of Us. I don't care what people say, it was the right mixture of triumph with bleakness; not a happily ever after, yet not misery porn. Our girl's earned at least that.
I'm not to sure about this but I couldn't help but notice the clothes that snow covered walker from No Going Back's in-game thumbnail (or whatever). The shirt looks quite similar to Lee Everett's... anyone else think so?
I'm not to sure about this but I couldn't help but notice the clothes that snow covered walker from No Going Back's in-game thumbnail (or whatever). The shirt looks quite similar to Lee Everett's... anyone else think so?
Made an account to post this. Taking from the theories I've been reading, thoughts on what the worst thing that could happen to Clementine would be, the music, etc.
I think its not going to be specifically what is done to Clementine that will change her, but instead the things she will be forced to do. I don't think I've read one theory that accounted for the possibility that Clementine will carry a considerable body count with her into S3. There is also call for her to either be the focus of a rape or the witness of one. This could contribute to driving her off the rails but is not necessary IMO, and would mostly serve to placate some of the warped minds on this forum.
I don't wish to speculate on how certain events will occur but I suspect that Clem will wish she was dead by the end of this season. I think we will be confronted with the choice of killing Rebecca's baby - trading the baby for the life of a group member. Either decision resulting in the death of all parties and putting Clementine in an unforgivable position.
Right now by examining some of the dialogue choices Clementine appears to have embodied Lee in this season. Conscience Lee will be irrelevant in S3.
Wtf?! You want to know what else is creepy? I paused the music and it was still playing not even joking right now! I even checked to make su… morere and it was definitely paused, somehow it was still playing... Episodes 4 and 5 are going to be fucked up, I hope everyone gets prepared for them.
Jeez, the music almost feels unwarranted when I watch the preview for "In Harms Way" from the end of Episode 2 of Season 2, but there is probably something that the preview doesn't show that might fit the atmosphere that this Silent Hill 2 like music creates.
Insanity and Paranoia could play a big part for a certain portion of Episode 5 that kind of popped into my mind recently which is similar to the "Armed with Death" section of Episode 5 of Season 1, but instead of a triumphant fight through a herd of Walkers in order to reach someone important, there is nothing for Clemintine to fight for and to make it worse, the walkers resemble Clemintine's Past friends who died throughout the series. What do you guys think of this theory?
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The zombie on this episode looks like Lee if you look at the clothes it looks like his....so maybe we'll see him as a zombie.
This soundtrack makes me think about betrayal. Someone very close to clem will try to hurt her
Neclemophobia: The fear of Clementine dying.
clem is brainwashed or manipulated by carver , and now believes all her friends are against her/and or trying to kill her - so she gets to them.first. Then she finds out the truth or something.
reminds me that maybe Carver is hunting her and she must escape somehow from him and in the end make a choice escape or fight!
guys lets think outside the box here not every main character has to get bit maybe she just gets shot in the eye or something like carl in the comics and they have a doctor somewhere that saves her and it pretty much changes her makes her even more hardened or as much as I hate to even say this but like people above have said rape is possible that would scar her for life or she dies which I doubt will happen if telltale what to keep their fanbase
We do believe it can happen so calm down dude, thing is we are not fans of rape, end of discussion
Ken will at least last till ep 4 lets hope the whole season, but if tt decides to kill im im pretty sure he will die as a hero, most likely saving clem and sarita, about the amputation i agree with you ken would do it but i cant imagine a one arm clem x3
There's a lot of reference in that Episode 4 is a "Preparation for War" episode, where Clementine and others are preparing to attack Carver's group to rescue the others. I'm just gonna roll on a hypothetical for that one.
Let's say at the end of episode 4 the attack fails. Who knows why - maybe Carver was ready for them. Maybe there was a spy on the attack reporting on their movements. Regardless, everyone ends up being captured or killed and at the end of the episode, coincidentially, a blizzard kicks up like the one on the episode screen. Clem who was hired with a task of stealth for the attack, which has been common through both seasons, stays out of the thick of the fighting unseen by everyone, ends up with a decision: stay in the dark and fight against Carver - or run into the blizzards, unknowing of the dangers but escaping Carver's wrath. Surrender seems to guarantee death or torture. Think Carlos' broken fingers times unlimited. There's definitely no limit for Carver, especially on an attempt to overthrow and kill him.
If you stay and fight, Clementine must find a way to free the others, of which there are many dangers. First is that she's entirely on her own, no others thinking of a plan for her. Second, she's outnumbered. For all we know 50 to 1. Third is that she would have to take severe precautions in order to manoeuvre the base. Maybe it would involve jumping rooftops, which in a blizzard would be even worse or sneaking through vents which would utilize her small size. Maybe when she's moving through the unknown she could hear the maniacal screams of her captured comrades through the darkness and the cold.
If you run away, you escape Carver's reach with the betrayed eyes of those that trusted Clementine at your back, their fates unknown. On one hand, maybe this option sounds too cowardly for Clementine, so maybe there'd be some other incentive: say that Christa survives and calls for Clem to escape with her, saying that she's sorry for not finding her sooner and saying everything will be ok now. When walking through the cold, they're both shivering, Christa all the while explaining what happened to her after the bandit attack. But Clementine struggles to listen - the combined encumbrance of the storm and her inner demons wearing her down. Her guilt, referenced many times throughout the season already, catching up to her. She collapses to the snow, succumbing to her inner guilt and thinking about her mistakes of the past. The voices of those that survived with her tormenting the decisions that were made, even the players unable to respond, the decisions given to them constantly changing to correspond to Clementine's state of mind. A spectre was seen in the unseen haze beyond, but her eyes grew weary, with the backs and voices of those that were with her throughout the apocalypse appearing as she closes her eyes, confronting her accumulated guilt under a cold borne hallucination.
I don't even know why I wrote all that, but I don't think I'd write it again if I found somewhere else to put it so I'll just leave it here. Loneliness is definitely a theme here I think, and as written above I think Clementine's guilt in some form will confront her. I'm very curious about this episode. Afraid? Definitely. "No Going Back" gives me the impression Clementine will have to make the most difficult choice of her life in this episode. If this is the end of TWD with no S3 in sight (of which I hope there is a S3 however) this should be the best episode in the whole series.
Release the TL;DR-ers.
WHAT THE FUCK GUYS.
THIS IS THE PIZZA AND ICE CREAM EPISODE. She just has to choose which one to order.
My guess is that by episode 5, almost all the group is dead save for maybe Kenny (I doubt they are going to kill him off in ep 3 or ep 4 given how he was "resurrected"), Christa (Who returns somewhere in between), Bonnie (Betrays Carver), and Carlos or Sarah (One or the other is dead).
Luke's death will be the catalyst for why Clementine hates Carver and episode 5 involves them getting closer to Wellington with Carver (Who is the only survivor in his crew) chasing them throughout the episode.
NOW, if season 2 is the final season, then throughout the episode, one by one, each member of Clementine's group is killed by Carver until Clem is the last one. Just outside of Wellington, during the final showdown, Clem manages to ambush and kill Carver. Victory at last, but it starts to dawn on Clem that she is all alone as small flurries of snow hit the ground. She looks up and sees Wellington just a mile down the road, after all this time, she finally made it! She steps into Wellington, hoping it was all worth it...but she finds it deserted with all the zombies frozen. She moves street to street looking for anyone to help her, but there isn't a single human left in the city.
The snow starts to come down very hard, the temperature drops and she goes into a random house. Then she puts her things down, sits on a chair facing a window and looks out of it with a blank expression. The camera zooms out, this starts to play (
) and we get a better glimpse of the city as the camera moves farther and farther away. Not a single person in sight. Clementine, unlike the rest of the group, survived the journey to Wellington, but now she is all alone and isolated in a huge city. Was it worth it? Because there is no going back.
Applods perfect timing
I could see this actually happening in the next episode to Sarah. I get a really rape-y vibe from Carver... Who knows maybe that's part of the reason that they left. Still, scary to think about though.
This music is fucking scary...
holy macoronie
You're remembering it wrong though, they actualy raped Jolene's little girl and then killed her, that's why she's so obsessed with Clementine.
You find her little girl's stuff and picture if I'm not mistaken along with Clem's hat in that tent. I recall she looked about the same age as Clem.
Here's Jolene's daughter's wiki entry.
I imagine its going to be something with Rebecca's baby, maybe Clem is unable to save it and the guilt of that.
I think someone is going to try something on Sarah though, in that community in EP3, and that will be when it will matter whether you taught her or not how to shoot a gun in EP2.
omg you might be right...
She couldn't save Christa's baby, and then she's not able to save Rebecca's either.
Yeah, I can imagine that making her feel like crap.
Doesn't really justify the music though, which signifies insanity and paranoia rather than depression.
Something very important she says in Episode 1.
"Sometimes people end up dying because of me..."
And then again when talking to Kenny in EP2.
"I got him killed..." [referring to Lee]
If it has to do with insanity and paranoia, maybe it's the voices of all the people she thinks died because of her haunting her.
You do hear whispers in that theme.
OMG I hope this doesn't happen
Considering she is perfectly sane despite all of the things she has already seen, it is going to take a lot to bring her to "insanity". The episode 4 slide is thought by most to signify some sort of ritualistic battle preparation by Clem. I am thinking there is going to be some sort of mass-slaughter at the end of episode 4. Something inhumanly evil and brutal.
....its already bad enough as it is, shudders
Indeed. Carver would take Sarah over Clem, purely to get to Carlos. He has a very large grudge against Carlos and Luke in particular, and we don't know why that is.
It would be interesting and I think kinda ironic if Wellington turned out to be some sort of "City of the Dead". A journey north where hundreds of people died in the promise of safety in turn for a wasteland of snow and death. It would be horrifying if all of this started from some sort of sick joke which turned into a literal sense and got people killed.
Looking at you, Luke/Nick.
Neclemancy - the act of resurrecting Clementine.
Wtf?! You want to know what else is creepy? I paused the music and it was still playing not even joking right now! I even checked to make sure and it was definitely paused, somehow it was still playing... Episodes 4 and 5 are going to be fucked up, I hope everyone gets prepared for them.
Ending Season 2 by killing everyone AGAIN would be too repetitive.
I hope they add variations, multiple endings, etc. It would add a lot of replayability and would satisfy everyone.
Clementine-Cultist would approve.
I fear for Clementine. She deserves a decent ending, but so did many who have died. I hope this season ends a bit like The Last of Us. I don't care what people say, it was the right mixture of triumph with bleakness; not a happily ever after, yet not misery porn. Our girl's earned at least that.
Episode 3's music is even more fucked up... listen at your own risk!
I'm not to sure about this but I couldn't help but notice the clothes that snow covered walker from No Going Back's in-game thumbnail (or whatever). The shirt looks quite similar to Lee Everett's... anyone else think so?
Yeah, me and many others noticed that too. I really hope it isn't Lee's skeleton...it would be HORRIBLE if we had to go through that.
Made an account to post this. Taking from the theories I've been reading, thoughts on what the worst thing that could happen to Clementine would be, the music, etc.
I think its not going to be specifically what is done to Clementine that will change her, but instead the things she will be forced to do. I don't think I've read one theory that accounted for the possibility that Clementine will carry a considerable body count with her into S3. There is also call for her to either be the focus of a rape or the witness of one. This could contribute to driving her off the rails but is not necessary IMO, and would mostly serve to placate some of the warped minds on this forum.
I don't wish to speculate on how certain events will occur but I suspect that Clem will wish she was dead by the end of this season. I think we will be confronted with the choice of killing Rebecca's baby - trading the baby for the life of a group member. Either decision resulting in the death of all parties and putting Clementine in an unforgivable position.
Right now by examining some of the dialogue choices Clementine appears to have embodied Lee in this season. Conscience Lee will be irrelevant in S3.
I think that no matter how prepared we are, we're gonna be strucked with big blows.
Jeez, the music almost feels unwarranted when I watch the preview for "In Harms Way" from the end of Episode 2 of Season 2, but there is probably something that the preview doesn't show that might fit the atmosphere that this Silent Hill 2 like music creates.
Insanity and Paranoia could play a big part for a certain portion of Episode 5 that kind of popped into my mind recently which is similar to the "Armed with Death" section of Episode 5 of Season 1, but instead of a triumphant fight through a herd of Walkers in order to reach someone important, there is nothing for Clemintine to fight for and to make it worse, the walkers resemble Clemintine's Past friends who died throughout the series. What do you guys think of this theory?